Repentance is the Gift Of God !

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brightfame52

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I'm not dismissing any scripture. I read it all and take in the whole message. I can't in good conscience follow along with a man made doctrine that uses one or two out of context verses to support it....That's just not how it works, my friend.
It appears so to me. Then you excuse it by saying its calvinism.
 

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Sorry but that statement false. You might want to read all the scriptures as a whole instead of just pulling out one or two out of context go to verses.
Sorry that statement is True !
 

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Here is Acts 5:31 that you referenced. It says nothing like what you are suggesting.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Why did you leave out the very next verse? Acts 5:32
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Pay close attention to the bolded part of that verse. What do you think that means... the Holy Ghost is given to those that obey him?
It says He gives repentance to Israel. Israel is a Elect People out of the World, in this case, a Spiritual People. Also by giving them Repentance, He gives them obedience, for repentance is obedience.
 

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It says He gives repentance to Israel. Israel is a Elect People out of the World, in this case, a Spiritual People. Also by giving them Repentance, He gives them obedience, for repentance is obedience.
Israel was elect among the nations to take the word of God to the nations. Israel still had to believe the word of God down to the individual basis. The only spiritual people in Israel were those who believed Gods word.

The history of Israel is highlighted by God judging them severely for their spiritual infidelity.

For the cause of Christ
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Israel was elect among the nations to take the word of God to the nations. Israel still had to believe the word of God down to the individual basis. The only spiritual people in Israel were those who believed Gods word.

The history of Israel is highlighted by God judging them severely for their spiritual infidelity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
You way off. Israel in Acts 5:31 is the Church.
 

notuptome

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You way off. Israel in Acts 5:31 is the Church.
Israel is never the church and the church is never Israel. Christ came to the Jew first and upon being rejected salvation was opened to all of mankind.

For the cause of Christ
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Israel is never the church and the church is never Israel. Christ came to the Jew first and upon being rejected salvation was opened to all of mankind.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Yes Israel is the Church. The Israel that belongs to Christ.
 

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Now some might say that the verse Acts 5:31 doesn't say anything about Christ the Savior giving Faith, but only Repentance to Israel [Gods Elect People]. Thats no problem however because Gospel evangelical repentance contains faith, for this repentance acknowledges, embraces the Truth 2 Tim 2:25

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth

Notice that the word give here is the same word give in Acts 5:31 when its stated God gives repentance to Israel, but here in the 2 Tim 2:25 verse repentance is clarified in that it gives the acknowledging of the Truth.

I Titus 1:1 its recognized as the Faith of Gods Elect

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

So contrary to what mans religion teaches, that faith and repentance are conditions men perform in order to get justified or righteous before God, they are gracious gifts given by the Savior when He saves them, wherein they evidence Christ has saved them ! 4b
 

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When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they do disparage the death and blood of Christ ! What they are saying whether they know it or not is Christs blood alone was inadequate to Justify them for whom it was shed. This does contradict Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 6b
 
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Every verse is sacred and instructive, you just making a excuse to not accept a scripture truth, i see it all the time. Then the next thing i see is the same person quoting a scripture from a context to support their view, its so hypocritical.
cough, cough
 

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When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are introducing works into the equation. These acts or human actions become equal determinants for Salvation/Justification which robs Christ of His Glory and gives prideful man an occasion to boast !8b
 

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Yes Israel is the Church. The Israel that belongs to Christ.
Israel is the bride of Yahweh while the church is the bride of Christ.

Israel is ethnic. The church is inheritor of the blessings promised to Israel. When Israel returns they will take their rightful place and receive the promises that are theirs.

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Israel is the bride of Yahweh while the church is the bride of Christ.

Israel is ethnic. The church is inheritor of the blessings promised to Israel. When Israel returns they will take their rightful place and receive the promises that are theirs.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Sounds like you confused.
 

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When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are flat out denying the effectualness of His death/blood !9b
 

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When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are denying that Salvation/Justification is a free gift of Gods Grace. Thats in contradiction to Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 5:16

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

The free gift is unto Justification !
 

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When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are flat out denying the effectualness of His death/blood !9b
Because for the conditionalist and the arminian the blood of Christ is not, in and by itself, sufficient to save a soul. It all boils down to the almight free-will of the sinner and his would be abilities of response. Unbiblical to the limit.
 
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So ALL gentiles are saved then , as God has granted repentence to gentiles ?
The word grant or give implies a gift.
What most people don't understand is that repentance is a gift from God, but unlike most gifts, you can't refuse this gift. Repentance is a state of being. Once God grants it, you have it and have been baptized in the name of the Father.
ah. Got it now. Thanks for explaining what is going on here. I wasn't in on the special info ;)



ain't that the truth :giggle:
Jesus tasted death for everyone, but it is the Father who decides who receives the repentance that leads to salvation and because of Jesus' death, He can choose from everyone.
 
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What most people don't understand is that repentance is a gift from God, but unlike most gifts, you can't refuse this gift. Repentance is a state of being. Once God grants it, you have it and have been baptized in the name of the Father.


Jesus tasted death for everyone, but it is the Father who decides who receives the repentance that leads to salvation and because of Jesus' death, He can choose from everyone.
You appear to be saying God overrides our choice. Is that what you are saying?
 
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You appear to be saying God overrides our choice. Is that what you are saying?
It's not what I'm saying, it is what the Bible is saying.

Rom 9: 11 ( For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calleth)

Rom 9: 14-16 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then, it is NOT of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.

Rom 9: 19-21 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth He yet find fault? For who hath resisted His will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to Him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?

Rom 11: 5-6 Even so, then, at this present time also, there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then is it no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace;

1 Peter 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God, the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Cor 1:9 God is faithful by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Cor 1: 26-31 For ye see your calling, brrethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called; But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak thinggs of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not , to bring to nothing things that are, THAT NO FLESH SHOULD GLORY IN HIS PRESENCE. But of (by) Him are ye in Christ Jesus,who of (by) God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption; That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Eph 1: 11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will.

Col 3: 15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Eph 2: 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

John 17: 1,2,7 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, Father the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee. As thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as thou HAST GIVEN HIM. Now they have known, that all things, whatever thou hast given me, ARE OF(BY) THEE.

John 6: 44 No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6: 65 And HE said, Therefore said I unto you that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of (by) my Father.

Rom 8: 28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, whom He did predestinate, them He also called; and whom He called, them He also justified; and whom He justified, them He also glorified.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 17:11 Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Eph 2: 8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God- Not of works, lest any man should boast.

1 Peter 5: 13 The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, greeteth you;

Col 3: 12 Put on, therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, tender mercies, etc.

John 15: 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit,

John 17: 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name; those that thou gavest me I have kept , and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.

John 17: 9 I pray for them; I pray not for the world, but for them whom thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Acts 13: 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

2 Thes 2: 13-14 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. Unto which He called you by our gospel to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Cor 1: 21-22 Now He who establisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God, who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

1 Peter 1: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who, according to His abundant mercy, hath begotten us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also give life to your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.

John 1: 12-13 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the children of God, even (that is) to them that believe on His name; Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD.

1 Peter 2: 3-5 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious; To whom, coming as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men but chosen of (by) God, and precious, Ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifice, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2: 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a people of His own, that ye should show forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

Rev 17: 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them; for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings, and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Mark 13: 20 And except the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elect's sake whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.

Mark 13: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
 

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Because for the conditionalist and the arminian the blood of Christ is not, in and by itself, sufficient to save a soul. It all boils down to the almight free-will of the sinner and his would be abilities of response. Unbiblical to the limit.
Correct, it totally denies Salvation by Grace Alone, by God alone !