Replacement/Supersessionism Theology,Why it Matters

[GuessWho]

No, the bible says we all killed jesus (actually rome did, The jews could not kill him, they had no power to do capitol punishment) and even if they did, WE ALL DID.

Can you answer me in a concrete, ponctual manner to this question, please?

Who plot to kill Jesus? Concretely.

So your going to deny you had a part in Jesus death?

I was born in 1988, in Romania. Jesus Christ came into our world around the first century, in Palestine.

Jesus Christ died for my sins and for the sins of the entire world. I didn't exist at the time of His crucifixion. Are you going to deny His historical existence?

You said they killed him, Not they asked him, HUGE difference.

It's not a huge difference to me. The Jews who cowardly plot and betrayed Jesus Christ (by night) and demanded for His crucifixion and for the releasing of Barabas are, in my eyes, the real villains, not the Romans who acted upon the criminal desire of the Jews.

WHAT?

where did this come from

Please answer the question: is Jesus Christ a historical or a religious personality?

 

[GuessWho]

What does that have to do with God promising then a plot of land forever?

That's exactly why the Jews rejected and still reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Because He doesn't fit their definition. They expect to get a piece of land, not salvation from sin and death!

You seem to be getting the salvation aspect of Gods promise to the world. with the physical promise to a nation of people mixed up.

Why are you a Christian? Why don't you become a Jew if you don't believe God kept His promises to Abraham?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's exactly why the Jews rejected and still reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah. Because He doesn't fit their definition. They expect to get a piece of land, not salvation from sin and death!

Yep.. And?? Does this negate Gods promise?

Paul called it a mystery (the church)

And told us Gentiles not to be puffed up.. So why do some want to be puffed up and claim they are better than the jews?

Why are you a Christian? Why don't you become a Jew if you don't believe God kept His promises to Abraham?

lol.. Not all Gods promises to Abraham HAD TO DO WITH SALVATION.

Why are you being this way. DO you think your sarcasm makes you correct?

What does God giving a group of people a plot of land in the middle east have to do with the salvation of one person on earth?

I am saved Because God kept his promise

IN YOU SHALL ALL THE NATIONS (including mine and me) BE BLESSED.

THATS ALL!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can you answer me in a concrete, ponctual manner to this question, please?

Who plot to kill Jesus? Concretely.

Has no bearing on reality.

Did you or did you not have a part in Jesus laying his life down?

Yes or no.. Is that a hard question?

I was born in 1988, in Romania. Jesus Christ came into our world around the first century, in Palestine.

I did not ask you that, I asked you if you had a part in Jesus laying his life down.

Jesus Christ died for my sins and for the sins of the entire world. I didn't exist at the time of His crucifixion. Are you going to deny His historical existence?

God lives outside of time, Are you going to deny you had a part?

It's not a huge difference to me. The Jews who cowardly plot and betrayed Jesus Christ (by night) and demanded for His crucifixion and for the releasing of Barabas are, in my eyes, the real villains, not the Romans who acted upon the criminal desire of the Jews.

Yep. Your following your roman fathers, from whence this antisemetic lie came from. Refusitn to acknowledge your own part in Jesus laying his life down for your sin.

Jesus was the son of God. Do you think anyone had the power to kill him UNLESS HE ALLOWED IT??

Jesus said father forgive them.. Seems Jesus is more forgiving than you are.

Please answer the question: is Jesus Christ a historical or a religious personality?

Nonsensical. You think I think Jesus was other than the son of man come in the form of man who died because of my sin.

again, where does this come from?

 

[wolfwint]

Correction: Jews still reject Jesus Christ, the Messiah, till these days. I pray to God that they will come to Jesus Christ!

your prayer will be answered. The Ot prophets Jesaja and Joel f.e got this promise from God.

 

[GuessWho]

Yep.. And?? Does this negate Gods promise?

You negate the fulfillment of God's promises to Israel by claiming that He owes them a piece of land when He gave them His only begotten Son! You negate the power of the cross and of the resurrection of Jesus Christ!

Paul called it a mystery (the church)

And told us Gentiles not to be puffed up.. So why do some want to be puffed up and claim they are better than the jews?
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We don't claim we are better than Jews. Could you point out where I claim to better then Jews or anyone else? Whoever accepts Christ as Messiah becomes partaker of the New Covenant and becomes part of God's chosen Israel.

This thread claims that Jews are more special than all the other people because they are God's chosen people. They are no longer God's chosen people. God's chosen people are those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.

lol.. Not all Gods promises to Abraham HAD TO DO WITH SALVATION.

On the contrary! All the promises of God had to to with salvation and restoration of the fallen world: from Genesis to Revelation.

Why are you being this way. DO you think your sarcasm makes you correct?

I am not sarcastic! I am really indignated at how blind you people are. How you claim to be christians and don't even understand why you are christians to begin with.

What does God giving a group of people a plot of land in the middle east have to do with the salvation of one person on earth?

How do you read the Old Testament? How can't you understand that the reason why we are Christians is because we believe that God fulfilled His promises to the Jews by sending His Son? Is a piece of land more precious than Jesus Christ? If yes, then please, stop calling yourself a christian.

I am saved Because God kept his promise

You don't even believe that! You along with the Jews expect that God fulfill His O.T. promises.

 

[KJV1611]

For some reason there are a growing number of church people in America that worship the Jews.... I don't know why they do it, but you can show them verse after verse in the Bible that prove the Jews are not God's chosen people and these Jew worshippers can't see it.

 

[GuessWho]

Has no bearing on reality.

It has a lot of bearing on reality! How can you claim otherwise? I guess you don't know the answer and that's why you don't answer. You haven't even read the New Testament which explains a lot of your ignorance.

Did you or did you not have a part in Jesus laying his life down?

He died for me. I didn't have a part in his betrayal and crucifixion because I didn't even exist.

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I did not ask you that, I asked you if you had a part in Jesus laying his life down.

God lives outside of time, Are you going to deny you had a part?


Yep. Your following your roman fathers, from whence this antisemetic lie came from. Refusitn to acknowledge your own part in Jesus laying his life down for your sin.

Jesus was the son of God. Do you think anyone had the power to kill him UNLESS HE ALLOWED IT??

Those this change the fact that Jews rejected and despised Jesus Christ?

Jesus said father forgive them.. Seems Jesus is more forgiving than you are.

Seems like you can't understand my posts. It's not about forgiveness. It's bout whether Jews are still God's chosen people: they are not.

Nonsensical. You think I think Jesus was other than the son of man come in the form of man who died because of my sin.

again, where does this come from?

From your rejection to read the historical accounts in the new Testament; historical accounts that say that Caiaphas and other Jew leaders plot to kill Jesus Christ and convinced everyone else to participate in the sacrilegious act of crucifying God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You negate the fulfillment of God's promises to Israel by claiming that He owes them a piece of land when He gave them His only begotten Son! You negate the power of the cross and of the resurrection of Jesus Christ!

God made a lot of promises. to many people. and to all men, Not all of them were salvic. So your foundation is already in serious trouble

We don't claim we are better than Jews. Could you point out where I claim to better then Jews or anyone else? Whoever accepts Christ as Messiah becomes partaker of the New Covenant and becomes part of God's chosen Israel.

When you claim a jew killed Jesus and refuse to acknowledge your own guilt against God You claim your better.

That is where this amillenial beliefs came into being, because the roman church hated Jews.

This thread claims that Jews are more special than all the other people because they are God's chosen people. They are no longer God's chosen people. God's chosen people are those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior.

no, This thread says God keeps all his promises no matter what..

People do not like when we talk about jews though. look at all the hate and anger it has caused. Why do you think that is?

On the contrary! All the promises of God had to to with salvation and restoration of the fallen world: from Genesis to Revelation.

You need to study more. God made so many promises that had nothing to do with salvation.

If Gods promise of land had to do with salvation. All jews are saved just because they are jews. That is not what that promise was given for.

I am not sarcastic! I am really indignated at how blind you people are. How you claim to be christians and don't even understand why you are christians to begin with.

Yeah Yeah. Keep thinking that. You were very sarcastic. and can not even admit it. The same can be said of you and your belief ..

How do you read the Old Testament? How can't you understand that the reason why we are Christians is because we believe that God fulfilled His promises to the Jews by sending His Son? Is a piece of land more precious than Jesus Christ? If yes, then please, stop calling yourself a christian.

I read that God would send his savior to the WORLD through a seed of abraham, and in that seed, I would be blessed.

But that has nothing to do with God giving a people a plot of land..

You don't even believe that! You along with the Jews expect that God fulfill His O.T. promises.

What? You do not make any sense.

Jesus died for my sin, because of my sin, He paid the price in full. Like the lamb that was led to the slaughter, so he was led to calvary.

I have faith in that, and have ETERNAL LIFE because of that (see john 3, and john 6 just for starters)

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[GuessWho]

For some reason there are a growing number of church people in America that worship the Jews.... I don't know why they do it, but you can show them verse after verse in the Bible that prove the Jews are not God's chosen people and these Jew worshippers can't see it.

They alone are cutting the branch they are sitting on.

In the medieval ages, protestant accused the catholics for re-crucifying Jesus Christ at every mass, thus not trusting the cross.

Now, these judaisers (who come from protestant churches) deny the cross of Jesus Christ and its salvific purpose by claiming that God still hasn't kept His promises towards the Jews.

The judaisers (or whatever they are) are worse than catholics.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For some reason there are a growing number of church people in America that worship the Jews.... I don't know why they do it, but you can show them verse after verse in the Bible that prove the Jews are not God's chosen people and these Jew worshippers can't see it.

who is worshiping a jew?

You people and your false accusations are quite comical. Is this what you need to prove to yourself your right? for I can see no reason to make false accusations against anyone.

Saying that if a nation REPENTS AND ADMITS THEIR SINS AGAINST THE GOD IF THE BIBLE, God will keep his promise to THE FATHERS is nOT WORSHIPING ANYONE.

Well yes it is, It is worshiping God. it says GOD KEEPS HIS PROMISES, EVEN WHEN WE FAIL.. it PROVES GOD IS A GOD OF LOVE, it PROVES GOD IS A MERCIFUL GOD.

The belief that says God has stopped fulfilling his promise and will never fulfill it again even if a nation repents, is giving God a bad name, it states he is a liar.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They alone are cutting the branch they are sitting on.

Oh we are? How is that? If we believe that a jew can only be saved by coming to Christ in faith..

How is that cutting us off the branch?

In the medieval ages, protestant accused the catholics for re-crucifying Jesus Christ at every mass, thus not trusting the cross.

We believe this today, it is re-crucifying Chrit. ''Jesus said whoever eats his flesh will live forever and never hunger or thirst, and never die.

Catholics say that's not true, we must eat his flesh once a weak. and even then, we may still die and not get to heaven.

Now, these judaisers (who come from protestant churches) deny the cross of Jesus Christ and its salvific purpose by claiming that God still hasn't kept His promises towards the Jews.

Who is a judiaser? Who is saying we need to fall under law again (Catholics are no better, they replac ed the law with sacraments, are they any better)

God has kept his promise to Isreal. and he will continue to keep his promise to Israel as long as this earth is still in existence.

The judaisers (or whatever they are) are worse than catholics.

lol. The amillenials are just like the catholics. they have bought into their lies.

You do nto even know what a true judiaser is.

so your not catholic? what are you? Orthodox?

 

[GuessWho]

God made a lot of promises. to many people. and to all men, Not all of them were salvic. So your foundation is already in serious trouble

All the promises of God, the troubled history of the Jews find their climax in Jesus Christ' crucifixion. It has all been done there. If you expect a piece of land, you deny the cross. You are in serious troubles, not me.

When you claim a jew killed Jesus and refuse to acknowledge your own guilt against God You claim your better.

no, This thread says God keeps all his promises no matter what..

No, this thread is about the specialness of the Jews and about how God still owes to the Jews a strip of turf. As if that is more important than His only begotten son.

People do not like when we talk about jews though. look at all the hate and anger it has caused. Why do you think that is?

It's not hate, maybe anger, but not hate. I am very radical with people who deny Jesus Christ but claim to be christians.

You need to study more. God made so many promises that had nothing to do with salvation.

Then you aren't a christian.

If Gods promise of land had to do with salvation. All jews are saved just because they are jews. That is not what that promise was given for.

Weird conclusion. God gathered His people in a new land: His kingdom, the Church. Jews are not saved precisely because they are Jews (meaning that they reject Jesus Christ as Messiah).

I read that God would send his savior to the WORLD through a seed of abraham, and in that seed, I would be blessed.

But that has nothing to do with God giving a people a plot of land..

Why would you find blessing in that seed but not the Jews? Jews aren't supposed to find blessing in Jesus Christ but only in a piece of land? Isn't the promise of blessing first to the Jews and after to us, gentiles?

So, if you believe in Jesus Christ to be the Messiah, you do that based on the promises God made to the Jews in the O.T.; that's why christians (the first Christians were Jews) claim the O.T to be their book: because they see in Jesus Christ the fulfillment of the promises from the O.T.

Jews reject Jesus Christ because they don't believe He is the Messiah. Their Messiah has a different agenda than that of Jesus Christ. The Messiah of the Jews is supposed to defeat their earthly enemies and gather them all in a land that they alone would occupy. The Christian Messiah defeats the enemy of mankind which is sin and death and gather all people into His New Israel, His Land, His kingdom, the Church.

 

[KJV1611]

who is worshiping a jew?

You people and your false accusations are quite comical. Is this what you need to prove to yourself your right? for I can see no reason to make false accusations against anyone.

Saying that if a nation REPENTS AND ADMITS THEIR SINS AGAINST THE GOD IF THE BIBLE, God will keep his promise to THE FATHERS is nOT WORSHIPING ANYONE.

Well yes it is, It is worshiping God. it says GOD KEEPS HIS PROMISES, EVEN WHEN WE FAIL.. it PROVES GOD IS A GOD OF LOVE, it PROVES GOD IS A MERCIFUL GOD.

The belief that says God has stopped fulfilling his promise and will never fulfill it again even if a nation repents, is giving God a bad name, it states he is a liar.

Very simply, they which are the children of the FLESH are NOT the children of God. God didn't promise anything to a fleshly unrepentant bunch of sinners just because they came from Abraham's physical seed. How can you not see this?

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All the promises of God, the troubled history of the Jews find their climax in Jesus Christ' crucifixion. It has all been done there. If you expect a piece of land, you deny the cross. You are in serious troubles, not me.

Your evidently not listening to a thing I say.

Who said I was expecting a peace of land? No land was ever promised to me.

Land has nothing to do with the cross. That's your problem.



No, this thread is about the specialness of the Jews and about how God still owes to the Jews a strip of turf. As if that is more important than His only begotten son. [/quote]

Nope that's not it at all. If you think this, you have not listening to what anyone has said. and why bother even going forward?

It's not hate, maybe anger, but not hate. I am very radical with people who deny Jesus Christ but claim to be christians.

Ok. Now your lieing. Who is denying Christ?

If anything, your denying Christ.

Then you aren't a christian.

Ok that's it..

There is no need to go further. Your judgmental attitude is not from God.

Me believing That God will keep his promise to Israel IF THEY REPENT has nothing to do with whether I will get to heaven or not.

Maybe I should put you on report/ That's what people say I do anyway.

Nothing else you say is worth even responding to.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Very simply, they which are the children of the FLESH are NOT the children of God. God didn't promise anything to a fleshly unrepentant bunch of sinners just because they came from Abraham's physical seed. How can you not see this?

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Can you prove where I have EVER said an unrepentant Israel will be brought by God back into their land?

Do you people not get sick of your lies against others? And you claim to be Christian????????????

 

[LvsJesus]

Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

 

[KJV1611]

Can you prove where I have EVER said an unrepentant Israel will be brought by God back into their land?

Do you people not get sick of your lies against others? And you claim to be Christian????????????

Well then you agree with me... Fleshly Israel was not promised anything and they will not be brought back into any land.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well then you agree with me... Fleshly Israel was not promised anything and they will not be brought back into any land.

No, I do not agree with you.

Natural Israel was given a promise. And God is keeping it even today. (they are in sin, and suffering because of that sin)


And if they repent, and receive Christ as a nation. God will keep his promise.

God does not stop keeping his promises.

 

[KJV1611]

No, I do not agree with you.

Natural Israel was given a promise. And God is keeping it even today. (they are in sin, and suffering because of that sin)


And if they repent, and receive Christ as a nation. God will keep his promise.

God does not stop keeping his promises.

Where in the bible is the promise to National Israel?