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.No we should support Israel. The Old Testament covenant was given to Israel. But the Old Testament makes crystal clear that the true Israel is formed of those who believe in the covenant and are faithful to it. Those who were not were cast off. Thus huge numbers of Israelites were cast off. Many Gentiles became proselytes and became part of Israel
The coming of Jesus established who were the true Israel, It was that part of the Jews which believed in the Messiah (the foundation of the olive tree). And they were eventually augmented by believing Gentiles who thus became Israelites. The only Israel accepted by God today is the church founded on the believing remnant of Israel,
yes the true nation, the believing nation now called the church, the holy nation of 1 Peter 2.9.
True by once again becoming Israelites by believing in the Messiah.
There will be no future millennial reign of Christ, it is already in process,
Very true.
The true Israel is reigning in the millennium NOW under Christ the king. WE are reigning with Christ.
But the NEW Jerusalem is the bride of Christ. It is the true church, the true Israel,
Israel are God's chosen people NOT the Jews. And WE are Israel, the only Israel
The coming of Jesus established who were the true Israel, It was that part of the Jews which believed in the Messiah (the foundation of the olive tree). And they were eventually augmented by believing Gentiles who thus became Israelites. The only Israel accepted by God today is the church founded on the believing remnant of Israel,
yes the true nation, the believing nation now called the church, the holy nation of 1 Peter 2.9.
True by once again becoming Israelites by believing in the Messiah.
There will be no future millennial reign of Christ, it is already in process,
Very true.
The true Israel is reigning in the millennium NOW under Christ the king. WE are reigning with Christ.
But the NEW Jerusalem is the bride of Christ. It is the true church, the true Israel,
Israel are God's chosen people NOT the Jews. And WE are Israel, the only Israel
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It was prophesied in the OT. Jesus was not saying anything new.
~[SUP]25 [/SUP]As He says also in Hosea:
“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
[SUP]26 [/SUP]“And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”[SUP][I]
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2nd, It was not a nation, It was a people (gentiles)
3rd. Even though the gentile was "grafted in" they should not boast, as if they were special (like the jews did against Israel, which is what replacement theology does) But know the mystery. The blindness IN PART has occurred to THAT NATION (Israel) Until the :FULNESS f the Gentile has come in. Then something will happen.. ALL Israel will be saved.
And as I have said before. I disagree with what is more dangerous. to me amil is dangerous, It says God does not keep his promises.
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Yes it was fulfilled in the Jewish remnant of believers in the Messiah as augmented by Gentile proselytes who formed the true Israel accepted by God
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LOL you don't even understand our position. And I think you've got a bit mixed up.
That does not say anywhere that the blindness will be removed. 'Then something will happen' is an addition to Scripture. Shame on you. The Jews blindness will continue whilst the numbers of the true Israel are made up. The election of Israel and the fullness of the Gentiles (the full number of those who will become proselytes) form the true Israel, the 'all Israel' which will be saved. Unbelieving Jews will be judged along with unbelieving Gentiles.
Yes the whole of the true Israel of God, the branches of the olive tree of Israel,
No lol it says that YOU do not even understand God's promises. I would buy you a New Testament lol but you wouldn't study it.
Yes it was fulfilled in the Jewish remnant of believers in the Messiah as augmented by Gentile proselytes who formed the true Israel accepted by God
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LOL you don't even understand our position. And I think you've got a bit mixed up.
That does not say anywhere that the blindness will be removed. 'Then something will happen' is an addition to Scripture. Shame on you. The Jews blindness will continue whilst the numbers of the true Israel are made up. The election of Israel and the fullness of the Gentiles (the full number of those who will become proselytes) form the true Israel, the 'all Israel' which will be saved. Unbelieving Jews will be judged along with unbelieving Gentiles.
Yes the whole of the true Israel of God, the branches of the olive tree of Israel,
No lol it says that YOU do not even understand God's promises. I would buy you a New Testament lol but you wouldn't study it.
Jesus Christ Himself didn't call them beautiful names. Was he an antisemitic too? Even Stephen, the first martyr scolded the Jews for their KILLING of the Righteous One. In the same way, Saint John Chrysostom called them assassins, for what they did do the Messiah. Is the truth antisemitic?
When did the Christians persecuted the Jews? I only know about Jews persecuting Christians (read Acts), not the other way around.
Your logic, kaylagirl, is very dangerous and twisted.
You imply that if we deny the specialness of national Israel we align ourselves with Hitler. That's false and stupid. If I deny the specialness of national Israel is because I believe Jesus Christ, the New Testament and His Church (the true Israel).
You imply that if we deny the specialness of national Israel we align ourselves with Hitler. That's false and stupid. If I deny the specialness of national Israel is because I believe Jesus Christ, the New Testament and His Church (the true Israel).
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Pull out a history book.
Did you know that the Jews were barely effected by the black plague because of their life style?
The Church accused the Jews as the cause of the black plague and had a lot of Jews killed.
Jesus was a Jew, so how could He persecute Jews.
Jews are probably the most hated religion/race throughout all of history.
All you have to do is look in history.
Did you know that the Jews were barely effected by the black plague because of their life style?
The Church accused the Jews as the cause of the black plague and had a lot of Jews killed.
Jesus was a Jew, so how could He persecute Jews.
Jews are probably the most hated religion/race throughout all of history.
All you have to do is look in history.
Wait a minute! She quoted John Chrysostom and Justin the Martyr and implied they persecuted the Jews by calling them assassins of Jesus Christ. That is not the same thing with the holocaust and will never be (only a twisted mind could compare the two). If they were antisemitic than so was the New Testament, so was Jesus Christ by calling them names and so was Stephen.
If the Catholic Church accused them for the black plague and persecuted them then say that "the Catholic Church persecuted them" and don't involve the holy fathers of the Church in the killing of the Jews!
Saint John Chrysostom never preached persecuting and killing the Jews! Never!
If the Catholic Church accused them for the black plague and persecuted them then say that "the Catholic Church persecuted them" and don't involve the holy fathers of the Church in the killing of the Jews!
Saint John Chrysostom never preached persecuting and killing the Jews! Never!
I teach that God does keep His promises, I can't help it if you don't understand them and who they apply to. I also teach that if God makes a contract or covenant with people, He'll keep it, unless the other party defaults on it. God is not obligated to keep a land promise to Israel when they defaulted on the contract. God told them over and over, if they were unfaithful to Him and went after other gods, that He'd kick them out. We've been down this road before to no avail. The only un conditional promise was to Abraham and His seed which is Christ.
Ephesians 2
Brought Near by His Blood
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But nowin Christ Jesusyou who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2
Brought Near by His Blood
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But nowin Christ Jesusyou who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
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They arent my answers others have answered this question several times. If your time is too precious to look through the first few pages like everyone else then Im sorry you are so busy. It not coping out on your questions.I'll answer,you'll move on to the next part of the argument and we'll have another 24 pages of you trying to change my mind.Ive said before what I believe and dont plan to reiterate it to everyone that comes on the thread wanting to start a new argument. If you have a new angle thats different.Otherwise you're simply rehashing whats already been discussed.
The issue is NOT about God breaking His covenant. It is all about Israel breaking the covernant. They broke it twice and were led off into capitivity. The last chance was when He was here at His first Advent and they rejected Him again. Since the nation was no longer needed, they were destroyed by Rome in 70AD, They were scattered and will never return.
The current Covenant operates the very same way. It is not God that breaks the Covenant, but man. There is mercy for repentance as long as man lives.
The current Covenant operates the very same way. It is not God that breaks the Covenant, but man. There is mercy for repentance as long as man lives.
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Jews as a whole are not culpable for Christs death. The Pharisees and elders sought to kill him,religious leaders.Why did they come after Jesus in dark of night? Why did they say they couldnt seize him for fear of starting a riot? Why was Judas paid 30 pieces of silver? Our sins make us all culpable for Christs death. Jew and Gentile.