Replacement theology.

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and I was so sure.........maybe tweets........
No I don't Twitter either. I did get a Twitter when the lyrus started but soon figured out it was a Q propaganda machine - Trust the Plan. I deleted it.
 
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What blows my mind is Christians who think all the blessings belong to them and all the curses belong to the Jews. Jews today are no more culpable of killing Christ than you and I are. You and I were enemies of the Gospel until we were saved. What also blows my mind is your hatred, that is clearly visible every time you talk about this subject. I thought we were suppose to love the lost and show them to Christ.
Why do you accuse me of hate just because I tell the truth about Jews? The vast majority of Jews hate our God, his Messiah and us. What is so wrong with admitting that's true, do you not believe it's true?
 

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agree, but in Romans 11, ”them refers to Isreal”

again your twisting the words, Paul told us what the mystery was.

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

THIS mystery is the blindness of Israel, not the mystery of the church, Paul said specifically, lest you be gnorant of THIS MYSTERY

you my friend, are doing exactly what Paul warned us not to do

paul is talking future not past, why are you going to acts? the deliverer WILL COME. If Paul was speaking of Christ and his death he would have said the deliver had come and redeemed them and was telling everyone to get saved

he was speaking to saved gentiles

warning them that they were just unnatural branches

explaining to them that because of Israel’s unbelief we have come in, but our future unbelief will be to their benefit, and it’s much easier for them because they are natural branches,

you have the context all messed up, this is not about who gets saved or not, but about the gentiles who were boasting about how great they were and attacking Israel as losers,

I'm not going all over the place like a loose cannon. The Prophets and Apostles taught that Gods church (ekklēsia-alled out ones) is one in Christ. Abraham, Moses, all the Israelites, were being called out of this evil world. Some don't want to leave it. And gentiles are no different. But anyone who does, whether Jew or gentile becomes part of God's holy Nation.

Youre forcing Judaism into the scriptures. Youre trying to separate God's people from one another, instead of separating God's people from this sinful world. Youre making a terrible mistake.

your all over the place,

if you really studied Romans 9-11 you would see it was prophesied the gentiles would come in, and that Israel,would fade away in unbelief,

but Paul also warned you not to boast, that there will be a time when all Israel will be saved

the prophets tell us that the two split nations of Israel will be reunited returned to ther land, the gentiles who treated them badly will be punished, they will be made on nation AGAIN, and they will stop their sin, and worshiping idols, and Christ will be there king,

this can’t be talking about the church

the church was never a nation, it was never split into two nations, it was never punished and scattered because of her sins, it can never be made one AGAIN in its land (it was never promised land) and it was promised a husband not a king
My friend,I quoted Acts because Peter by the Holy Spirit was "turning ungodliness away from Jacob", by preaching the gospel to Israel.

And Paul was "speaking of a "future time", because he was quoting a prophecy from the OT, about how Jesus would come.....and turn ungodliness away from Jews who were blind, like Paul, who formerly hated the followers of Jesus. The "Deluverer who comes from Zion" is no longer future.
 
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What blows my mind is Christians who think all the blessings belong to them and all the curses belong to the Jews. Jews today are no more culpable of killing Christ than you and I are. You and I were enemies of the Gospel until we were saved. What also blows my mind is your hatred, that is clearly visible every time you talk about this subject. I thought we were suppose to love the lost and show them to Christ.
Many, many, many Old Testament Jews rejected Christ. From the wilderness wandering to the Jews who killed Jesus, many Jews have rejected Christ. Those people are in hell today and will be there forever.

God's elect, God's chosen people, DO NOT go to hell. How is this not as plain as the nose on your face?
 

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People who practice Kabbalah sit under Kabbalahist teachers, Trump is a Luciferian Kabbahalist.
you mean FREEMASONS??
your choice of definition says more about you than it ever could about freemasons
.......who are....antichrist....even tho the rank and file know little about Kaballism, if anything......but mostly they are in it for some financial or power gains....they have no interest in the spiritual implications. If you knew any freemasons you would know that.


You must lead a very sheltered life.

After checking WIKI:
Over half of the presidents have been freemasons.
Clinton was in demoley
Regan was made an honorary member......he didn't object
Johnson joined but never rose in the ranks.

Just saying.......you have made an ant hill into a volcano.
And for nothing edifying. :(
 

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Many, many, many Old Testament Jews rejected Christ. From the wilderness wandering to the Jews who killed Jesus, many Jews have rejected Christ. Those people are in hell today and will be there forever.

God's elect, God's chosen people, DO NOT go to hell. How is this not as plain as the nose on your face?
You are just full of little quips today.

The Jewish nation has been rejected, but not those individual Jews who are God's remnant. Believing Jews and Gentiles together ARE the church.
 
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You are just full of little quips today.

The Jewish nation has been rejected, but not those individual Jews who are God's remnant. Believing Jews and Gentiles together ARE the church.
I'm glad you see the truth. Earthly descendants of Israel have never been, and never will be God's chosen people.

The church, whether it's the church today, the church at the cross or the church in the wilderness in the Old Testament times, have always been and always will be God's chosen people, both Jew or a Gentile.
 
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My friend,I quoted Acts because Peter by the Holy Spirit was "turning ungodliness away from Jacob", by preaching the gospel to Israel.
my friend, if the HS was turning the ungodliness away from Jacob they would have repented, and the city would never have been destroyed because they would have repented and recieved Jesus as who he was, their messiah

unlike you, I believe when God says he is going to do something, he will do it, period,

that’s the danger in your theology, God does not keep his promises and he is a weak God who can not do what he says he will do.

And Paul was "speaking of a "future time", because he was quoting a prophecy from the OT, about how Jesus would come.....and turn ungodliness away from Jews who were blind, like Paul, who formerly hated the followers of Jesus. The "Deluverer who comes from Zion" is no longer future.
yet the jews REMAINED blind, and to this day continue to be blind

either aged failed, or Paul is speaking of a future even to himself the same time jesus spoke of in matt 25. The time after great tribulation or the time of jacobs trouble, which as paul and many of us understand is a future event, because those things have not happened yet,
 
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Why do you accuse me of hate just because I tell the truth about Jews? The vast majority of Jews hate our God, his Messiah and us. What is so wrong with admitting that's true, do you not believe it's true?
The vast majority of the world hates Gods why separate them out, as if they are the only ones. The reason they are scattered is because of their sin, they are being punished for their sin as we speak, just like God promised in Lev 26.

God keeps his promises, jews hating him today has no bearing on tomorrow
 
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Many, many, many Old Testament Jews rejected Christ. From the wilderness wandering to the Jews who killed Jesus, many Jews have rejected Christ. Those people are in hell today and will be there forever.

God's elect, God's chosen people, DO NOT go to hell. How is this not as plain as the nose on your face?
gods elect according to predestination will not go to hell amen

but Gods elect according to a promise is the enemy as we speak because of the gospel but beloved because of the fathers

how you can not separate the two covenants or promises (one concerning eternal life to all who believe, and one concerning a property and status to a particular nation) is beyond me
 

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I'm glad you see the truth. Earthly descendants of Israel have never been, and never will be God's chosen people.

The church, whether it's the church today, the church at the cross or the church in the wilderness in the Old Testament times, have always been and always will be God's chosen people, both Jew or a Gentile.
We may be on the same page with this issue.
Keeping my eye om you. :cool:
 
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The vast majority of the world hates Gods why separate them out, as if they are the only ones. The reason they are scattered is because of their sin, they are being punished for their sin as we speak, just like God promised in Lev 26.

God keeps his promises, jews hating him today has no bearing on tomorrow
I agree, all a Jewish person needs to do is accept Christ which is no different than it was in Old Testament times.
 
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I agree, all a Jewish person needs to do is accept Christ which is no different than it was in Old Testament times.
I agree

but I also am not going to deny the fact that some time, god will restore them, after they all call on the name of the lord
 
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gods elect according to predestination will not go to hell amen

but Gods elect according to a promise is the enemy as we speak because of the gospel but beloved because of the fathers

how you can not separate the two covenants or promises (one concerning eternal life to all who believe, and one concerning a property and status to a particular nation) is beyond me
Anybody that rejects the atoning work of Jesus Christ is going to hell, it doesn't matter if the born Jewish or Gentile. Many, many Jews have gone to hell and will continue to go their if they don't accept Christ.

The enemies of the gospel are the Jews who reject Christ, these ARE NOT God's elect.
The "beloved of the fathers" are the Jews that accept Christ, these ARE God's elect.

As it is written, All Israel (both Jewish Israel and Gentile Israel) shall be saved.
 
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I agree

but I also am not going to deny the fact that some time, god will restore them, after they all call on the name of the lord
All of flesh descendants of Israel will not call on the name of the Lord. All Israel means Jewish Israel and Gentile Israel, both are spiritual Israel and all of us will be saved, God will not lose a single one of us.
 
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Anybody that rejects the atoning work of Jesus Christ is going to hell, it doesn't matter if the born Jewish or Gentile. Many, many Jews have gone to hell and will continue to go their if they don't accept Christ.

The enemies of the gospel are the Jews who reject Christ, these ARE NOT God's elect.
The "beloved of the fathers" are the Jews that accept Christ, these ARE God's elect.

As it is written, All Israel (both Jewish Israel and Gentile Israel) shall be saved.
I never stated otherwise, no dispensational states otherwise.

but you can not seem to understand this. and because of this, can never understand what we believe and why