Replacement theology.

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Rosemaryx

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I don’t have your skewed view no

Esau is dead, and so is hi nation, it does not exist anymore

Jacob lives, as long as their is a remnant he will always live
Hi brother...
I was just reading I believe where EDOM ( Esau ) is wiped out , none left , is that who you are on about...

God did not forgive Edom because of how they treated their brother Israel while on their travels to the promised land , is that correct ?
...xox...
 
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Hi brother...
I was just reading I believe where EDOM ( Esau ) is wiped out , none left , is that who you are on about...

God did not forgive Edom because of how they treated their brother Israel while on their travels to the promised land , is that correct ?
...xox...
Yes to the first part, as for the second god promised he would wipe them out because of how they acted to their brother (Israel)
 
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I don’t have your skewed view no

Esau is dead, and so is hi nation, it does not exist anymore

Jacob lives, as long as their is a remnant he will always live
Exactly, Esau represents the wicked Jews that persecuted the Godly Jews. The Godly Jews had to put up with that persecution until Christ came and broke the yoke.
 
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Exactly, Esau represents the wicked Jews that persecuted the Godly Jews. The Godly Jews had to put up with that persecution until Christ came and broke the yoke.
He may represent that
but when prophecy speaks of him. He is speaking of him, not what he represents,

your twisting the word so if fits your theology,

and in doing so, making God a promise breaker not a promise keeper
 

Journeyman

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Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Jer 30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jer 30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

All of the things in Jeremiah 30 happened during the time of Jacob's trouble. At that time, the yoke between Jacob and Esau was broken off. Esau represents the first born, flesh descendants and Jacob represents the 2nd born, spiritual descendants.

The spiritual Jews have always been under the yoke of bondage of the unsaved Jews UNTIL that yoke was broken at the cross and the flesh descendants were utterly destroyed in AD 70. Jacob will never be under Esau's yoke of bondage ever again.

All of that happened when David their king, Jesus Christ, came and set up his eternal kingdom.
Brother,
Those in Christ are not yoked to unbelievers. The gospel is a burden (a yoke) to umbelievers. Isaac told Esau that when he mourned, Jacob would no longer be a burden to him (Gen.27:40).
 

Journeyman

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What your missing here is the final destruction of 70 ad which jesus prophied.
As God gives out his prophecy he is very specific about the event or events.
He said in one day Israel will become a nation again.
In 1948 in one day Israel once again becomes a reconised nation after almost 2thousand yrs.
What other nation has done this after 2 thousand yrs of no land and terrible persecution.
Let alone the fact that they are economically fruitful right now.... independent.

Jacobs trouble is found in the book of revelation. In fact that's what revelation is about.
Mor than 2 thirds of revelation is about the jews not about the saints because our time is fulfilled.
I'm not missing the Roman destruction. Jesus's main point was not to run away from the destruction of the flesh, but to flee from sin, idolatry. He was not teaching "Run away from the Coloseum." He was teaching "Remember Lot's wife." That is, when you face adversity, don't turn back to your old life.

The book of Revelation is all about the revealing of Christ. He is the one who epitomizes the time of Jacobs trouble, the time when he faced horrible persecution because of living for God and was God in flesh. And those who love him should expect the same,

Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings;
m should expect the same, 1Pet.4:12-13

Gods holy nation is being built by the prophets and apostles of Jesus, who is the cornerstone and will be shown complete in one day at the resurrection. Jesus was not teaching that people would see his work by how economically wealthy the Jews are.
 
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Brother,
Those in Christ are not yoked to unbelievers. The gospel is a burden (a yoke) to umbelievers. Isaac told Esau that when he mourned, Jacob would no longer be a burden to him (Gen.27:40).
Wouldn’t you agree that the good Jews were yoked with bad Jews in the kingdom of Israel? What I mean is the Jews as a nation were controlling the religious system. Good Jews would bring in sacrifices and the bad Jews would find fault in their animal and make them buy the animals from them. This is what I mean by Esau (unsaved Jews) was yoked with Jacob (saved Jews). That yoke was broken when Christ came.
 

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Wouldn’t you agree that the good Jews were yoked with bad Jews in the kingdom of Israel? What I mean is the Jews as a nation were controlling the religious system. Good Jews would bring in sacrifices and the bad Jews would find fault in their animal and make them buy the animals from them. This is what I mean by Esau (unsaved Jews) was yoked with Jacob (saved Jews). That yoke was broken when Christ came.
I wouldn't say they were yoked together. Being yoked would be agreeing with umbelievers in something that would be in violation of the Lord's command.

I think the problem with the people selling animals was that they were charging inflated prices to those who had to travel long distances to attend the feast day. Also the currancy exchangers. Basically robbing people.