Replacement theology.

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eternally-gratefull

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The vice of replacement theology goes back a long way in church history but if we allow supersessionism & outward disdain for Jews to flourish in the church we are fuelling the common assertion among secular critics that this hatred finds it roots in the New Testament.
That the New Testament is an anti-semitic book.

We lose a great witness to Jews because of that. Are we preaching The Gospel of The Kingdom or are we jealously hoarding it?
How can we expect the Jews to take Isaiah 53 literally, if we refuse to accept Isaiah 54 literally?
Paul tells us flat out not to boast. And make the mistake of thinking we did anything
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God replaced the nation of Israel with the church of Christ made up of people of all nations - that is God ordained replacement theology.

Isa 65:15 “You will leave your name for a curse to My chosen ones, And the Lord GOD will slay you. But[My servants will be called by another name.

Peter in his letter uses the same superlatives to his readers that once applied to the physical nation of Israel:

1 Pet 2:9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God’s OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
God never promised the church a plot if land in the Middle East and to bless us while we are there
replacement theology is a lie
 

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Saints sorry can't express how much this false teaching is. I see once again we have a few in your face teaching threads about this lie.
I think I went for to toe with a certain one who was banned from here but has returned under a new name.....anyways...
This theology was taught in the churches a time before and is actually anti semitism.
To say that the church replaces israel or Israel joins the church or the church supersedes Israel is a lie. I'm sure paul would of told us straight up.
To believe this lie one would have to tell God he's a covenant breaker. You would have to change events in the end game book revelation to fit the lie.
It really bothers me that the moderators allow this theology to be expressed on the chat. It is as I said anti-semitism.

Jews don't become christian. Christians don't become jews. .......But we do become one in Christ......how we get there is the greatest story ever told.
I think you are unfair in your assessment of "Moderators" when you state the person was banned before and came back under a new name lol. maybe we have not seen it. Or maybe the site wants to allow other to see it and make up their own minds from the word of God This is not a Nov 3rd Election night suppression of things we don't like :) PM the thread :) instead of attacking Mods ok :) Thank you
 
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eternally-gratefull

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What would be the difference between Anti-Semitic and Anti-Judaism?

To say the NT is anti-semitic or people are anti-semitic because they believe the NT is pure silliness. But it is sad that people throw that term around without any clue as to what they are saying.

To say the NT is anti-judaism wouldn't be that much of a stretch. Most of the people who think there are 2 gospels will admit that Sacrifice of animals has been done away. Along with the Levitical priesthood.


The bible expressly says there is no jew or greek. It is only people with confused eschatology that demand 2 gospels and demand a separation of Jews and Greeks.

There is only one gospel. At some point, it will be time to embrace that fact.
I think they say this because replacement theology was born in Rome. Who were extreme anti Semitic so it makes sense to think this theology was born if that hatred
 
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People No one who denies Christ salvation.
Saints sorry can't express how much this false teaching is. I see once again we have a few in your face teaching threads about this lie.
I think I went for to toe with a certain one who was banned from here but has returned under a new name.....anyways...
This theology was taught in the churches a time before and is actually anti semitism.
To say that the church replaces israel or Israel joins the church or the church supersedes Israel is a lie. I'm sure paul would of told us straight up.
To believe this lie one would have to tell God he's a covenant breaker. You would have to change events in the end game book revelation to fit the lie.
It really bothers me that the moderators allow this theology to be expressed on the chat. It is as I said anti-semitism.

Jews don't become christian. Christians don't become jews. .......But we do become one in Christ......how we get there is the greatest story ever told.
Are you saying Jews are saved though they do not believe in Jesus?
 
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I do hope you yourself do not believe this, because it is false.
I am merely stating the sophisticated version of replacement theology nowadays.

Anyway, you cannot prove a tautological argument false.
 
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kaylagrl

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I am merely stating the sophisticated version of replacement theology nowadays.

Anyway, you cannot prove a tautological argument false.

Glad to hear you don't agree with that POV.
 
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pottersclay

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Jews dont become Christians?

A person who follows jesus Christus a christian, who do these Jews follow, how do they obtain salvation?

Merriam Webster
Definition of Christian

(Entry 1 of 2)
1a: one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
I think you are unfair in your assessment of "Moderators" when you state the person was banned before and came back under a new name lol. maybe we have not seen it. Or maybe the site wants to allow other to see it and make up their own minds from the word of God This is not a Nov 3rd Election night suppression of things we don't like :) PM the thread :) instead of attacking Mods ok :) Thank you
Well I see no attack here towards the monitors but I think this theology should fit well along side that dreaded hyper grace lie saint.
 
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pottersclay

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People No one who denies Christ salvation.

Are you saying Jews are saved though they do not believe in Jesus?

Not at all as we all know without jesus none would be saved. What I am saying is the church does not replace Israel.

The jews right now do not believe that Jesus is their promised Messiah. Let me take this up a notch. The leaders rabbis and such.
They teach that he is to come.
If the church were to replace Israel there would be no need of a second coming of Christ.
Jesus said unless the days were cut short no man would survive. In short the church gets raptured the judgement is poured out and whoever is left dies in their sin of unbelief.
But that's not how the story goes. Jesus comes back as the lion of judah to defend Israel. In fact during his first advent he gives them warning on the signs and times this would happen and tells them to look up for there redeemtion draws near.
Why look up you might ask? Again when jesus was teaching these things he said I see the son of man coming with the clouds of heaven. Luke 21:27.
Jesus knew he would be rejected but also came to fulfill the promise of the father to redeem Israel.
Because of the rejection they were blinded. Because of the crucifixion jesus days were shorten.
Very important to understand this.
Revelation 7 shows the tribes of israel being sealed by the Holy Spirit. The same seal we have.
So something had to happen to open up their eyes. Revelation also tells us they looked on him that was pierced.
Revelation is mostly focused on the Jewish nation and Jerusalem. Jerusalem is now the capital of Israel which is another fulfillment of prophecy along with Israel becoming a nation in one day.
So how close are we saints. Exciting times I tell you exciting times.
 

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Well I see no attack here towards the monitors but I think this theology should fit well along side that dreaded hyper grace lie saint.
You made a claim (Jews aren't Christian's)?

Jews within the Church are followers of Jesus Christ, (Christians)

Your claim is false
 
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kaylagrl

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Jews dont become Christians?

A person who follows jesus Christus a christian, who do these Jews follow, how do they obtain salvation?

Merriam Webster
Definition of Christian

(Entry 1 of 2)
1a: one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ

Jew come to salvation the way we all do, through Christ. And more will come when they see Jesus and recognize Him as their Messiah. Romans 11
 
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kaylagrl

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God replaced the nation of Israel with the church of Christ made up of people of all nations - that is God ordained replacement theology.
This is false doctrine. It was pushed mainly by the Catholic church but has crept into Protestant and even some Evangelical denominations. The church has not replaced Israel.


Romans 11

I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[c]


11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!


25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.


28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable

Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
 
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kaylagrl

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People No one who denies Christ salvation.

Are you saying Jews are saved though they do not believe in Jesus?

The Bible says the Jews have been blinded for a time, until the Gentiles come in. But there will be a day when they will recognize there Messiah and they will mourn that they rejected Him. And they will be saved, the same way we all are. How do Christians not know this?
 

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The Bible says the Jews have been blinded for a time, until the Gentiles come in. But there will be a day when they will recognize there Messiah and they will mourn that they rejected Him. And they will be saved, the same way we all are. How do Christians not know this?
2/3 of Jews will be cut off and die,only 1/3 will be saved

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
 
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Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
Already happened in the restriction of Jerusalem in the war with the Romans - the 1/3 were all Christian and fled the city was surrounded by the Roman army - Luke 21:20
 
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The Bible says the Jews have been blinded for a time, until the Gentiles come in. But there will be a day when they will recognize there Messiah and they will mourn that they rejected Him. And they will be saved, the same way we all are. How do Christians not know this?
You must distinguish between the nation Israel and individual Jews there.

The nation is blinded, but individual Jews are not.

If those Jews end up dead before the 2nd coming, they will not be saved.
 
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pottersclay

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The bible is one story not two or many but one.
Many christians today disregard the old testament or just read the events that interest them. They thumb through the pslams to there favorite not realizing a third of them are prophetic.
Sadly the jews are only noted for killing jesus.
Our savior is a jew. Scripture shows us he observed customs and sabbaths. He wept over Jerusalem. He cleansed the temple saying his house is a house of prayer. Christianity has its roots in Judaism. We are only grafted in by grace.
Let's really look honestly at what the Lord left us as a example to understand Christianity. Jewish teachers how ironic.
Paul, james, peter, john, jude, Matthew ECT. Now there's a hint.
It is said many of times by saved jews that they could not believe how jewish the new testament was.
My point is stop seeking out idealisms, theology, opinions, the answers are right in your bible. The old hidden, the new revealed.
God created everything for a purpose.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You made a claim (Jews aren't Christian's)?

Jews within the Church are followers of Jesus Christ, (Christians)

Your claim is false
When did he make that claim? I have now seen him accused of this twice yet can not remember him saying this
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The Bible says the Jews have been blinded for a time, until the Gentiles come in. But there will be a day when they will recognize there Messiah and they will mourn that they rejected Him. And they will be saved, the same way we all are. How do Christians not know this?
It’s amazing, we have quite a few christian jews in my church, many jews are saved, yet as a whole, the nation remains our enemy concerning the gospel, because the nations is still looking for a messiah they crucified,
 

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2/3 of Jews will be cut off and die,only 1/3 will be saved

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
And The Lord will vindicate the saved remnant before the world for the express purpose of proving WHO he his.
It doesn't add up to the nation of Israel being replaced with saved gentiles.

Jesus is going to take up the Kingship of this earth physically and fight for them.
This is HOW the Jews collectively recognise the Messiah.

Romans 11
There are two distinct groups of people in these verses. 1. Israel 2. Gentiles. You CANNOT claim to be both.

"For I do not want you, brothers and sisters, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
27 “This is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

Heed Paul's warning. Do not be cut off because of prideful arrogance toward the tree that supports you.