Resurrection of Jesus. Luke vs John

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Mar 12, 2019
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The order of the followng events in the books of Luke and John does not match.
do you have any idea?

Luke 24: 1-12
Mary came to tomb; She met angels; She informed it to disciples; Then Peter came to tomb;

John 20: 1-18
Mary came to tomb; She informed Peter; Peter came to tomb; Then Mary met two angels and Jesus; Mary then informed it to disciples;

Luke wrote: Mary met angels and informed disciples BEFORE Peter came to tomb.
John wrote: Mary met angels and informed disciples AFTER Peter came to tomb.
 
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The order of the followng events in the books of Luke and John does not match.
do you have any idea?

Luke 24: 1-12
Mary came to tomb; She met angels; She informed it to disciples; Then Peter came to tomb;

John 20: 1-18
Mary came to tomb; She informed Peter; Peter came to tomb; Then Mary met two angels and Jesus; Mary then informed it to disciples;

Luke wrote: Mary met angels and informed disciples BEFORE Peter came to tomb.
John wrote: Mary met angels and informed disciples AFTER Peter came to tomb.
Luke 24:1-12.

It is obvious that Mary and the others were at the sepulchre, and Jesus was not in it, and the 2 men in shining garments had to be angels, and then they went back and it was told to the eleven disciples which Peter is one of them, and then Peter went to the sepulchre as it is written by Luke.

John 20:1-18.

And it appears like how you stated with these scriptures that Mary went to the sepulchre then told Peter, then he went to the sepulchre, and then Mary seen 2 angels and Jesus as written by John.

Seeing 2 angels does not mean it is one incident, for she can see 2 angels, and then tell Peter, and then go back to the sepulchre and see the same 2 angels which is what happened.

For in Luke it does not state that Mary went back to the sepulchre after telling Peter to say anything about 2 angels, for if had mentioned she went back it probably would of mentioned the 2 angels again.

And in John it does not say she seen 2 angels when she first went to the sepulchre, but went and told Peter, and then went back and seen 2 angels.

But because John does not state she seen 2 angels the first time does not mean she did not see them he just did not mention them, but Luke covered that, and John covered she seen them the second time she went back.

Luke says angels at the first, and John says angels after Peter went there, and then she went there.

Luke says 2 angels before telling Peter, and John says 2 angels after Peter went there that Mary seen.

But I do not believe it is a contradiction, but Mary went to the sepulchre and saw 2 angels, and went and told Peter, and then Mary went back to the sepulchre and seen the same 2 angels which is what happened.

But Luke does not mention Mary going back to the sepulchre and seeing the 2 angels after telling Peter.

And John does not say anything about the 2 angels when Mary first went to the sepulchre before she told Peter.

But that does not mean there is a contradiction.

There is no contradiction but Mary went to the sepulchre and seen 2 angels, and then went and told Peter, and then went back to the sepulchre and seen the same 2 angels, and then she seen Jesus.

But Luke did not mention Mary going back, and John did not mention Mary seeing 2 angels when she first went to the sepulchre.

But that does not mean it is a contradiction for the 2 together tells the whole story.

Why didn't Luke mention Mary seeing Jesus the first time, if seeing the 2 angels was one incident by Mary.

Just because a writer does not write some things concerning the whole incident does not mean there is a contradiction, but some things they might not mention.

But we know the whole story by Luke and John.
 
Mar 12, 2019
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Luke 24:1-12.

It is obvious that Mary and the others were at the sepulchre, and Jesus was not in it, and the 2 men in shining garments had to be angels, and then they went back and it was told to the eleven disciples which Peter is one of them, and then Peter went to the sepulchre as it is written by Luke.

John 20:1-18.

And it appears like how you stated with these scriptures that Mary went to the sepulchre then told Peter, then he went to the sepulchre, and then Mary seen 2 angels and Jesus as written by John.

Seeing 2 angels does not mean it is one incident, for she can see 2 angels, and then tell Peter, and then go back to the sepulchre and see the same 2 angels which is what happened.

For in Luke it does not state that Mary went back to the sepulchre after telling Peter to say anything about 2 angels, for if had mentioned she went back it probably would of mentioned the 2 angels again.

And in John it does not say she seen 2 angels when she first went to the sepulchre, but went and told Peter, and then went back and seen 2 angels.

But because John does not state she seen 2 angels the first time does not mean she did not see them he just did not mention them, but Luke covered that, and John covered she seen them the second time she went back.

Luke says angels at the first, and John says angels after Peter went there, and then she went there.

Luke says 2 angels before telling Peter, and John says 2 angels after Peter went there that Mary seen.

But I do not believe it is a contradiction, but Mary went to the sepulchre and saw 2 angels, and went and told Peter, and then Mary went back to the sepulchre and seen the same 2 angels which is what happened.

But Luke does not mention Mary going back to the sepulchre and seeing the 2 angels after telling Peter.

And John does not say anything about the 2 angels when Mary first went to the sepulchre before she told Peter.

But that does not mean there is a contradiction.

There is no contradiction but Mary went to the sepulchre and seen 2 angels, and then went and told Peter, and then went back to the sepulchre and seen the same 2 angels, and then she seen Jesus.

But Luke did not mention Mary going back, and John did not mention Mary seeing 2 angels when she first went to the sepulchre.

But that does not mean it is a contradiction for the 2 together tells the whole story.

Why didn't Luke mention Mary seeing Jesus the first time, if seeing the 2 angels was one incident by Mary.

Just because a writer does not write some things concerning the whole incident does not mean there is a contradiction, but some things they might not mention.

But we know the whole story by Luke and John.
Thank you for the details. Its helpful.
When I read your points, I got another possibility of the incident. May be, Peter came to the tomb two times as stated below

Luke 24 and John 20 combined:
Mary came to tomb; She informed Peter; Peter came to tomb; Then Mary met two angels and Jesus; Mary then informed it to disciples; Peter came to tomb AGAIN;
 

Whispered

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The order of the followng events in the books of Luke and John does not match.
do you have any idea?

Luke 24: 1-12
Mary came to tomb; She met angels; She informed it to disciples; Then Peter came to tomb;

John 20: 1-18
Mary came to tomb; She informed Peter; Peter came to tomb; Then Mary met two angels and Jesus; Mary then informed it to disciples;

Luke wrote: Mary met angels and informed disciples BEFORE Peter came to tomb.
John wrote: Mary met angels and informed disciples AFTER Peter came to tomb.
Different perspectives of Resurrection day does not mean those accounts are false because they differ.

You might enjoy this. https://www.compellingtruth.org/resurrection-accounts.html
 

tanakh

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If we quibble about who went where and when we miss the whole point of the text. The main message is that Jesus rose from the dead
as he said he would.
 

PS

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The order of the followng events in the books of Luke and John does not match.
do you have any idea?

Luke 24: 1-12
Mary came to tomb; She met angels; She informed it to disciples; Then Peter came to tomb;

John 20: 1-18
Mary came to tomb; She informed Peter; Peter came to tomb; Then Mary met two angels and Jesus; Mary then informed it to disciples;

Luke wrote: Mary met angels and informed disciples BEFORE Peter came to tomb.
John wrote: Mary met angels and informed disciples AFTER Peter came to tomb.
Listen to any two or more people recalling an event and their accounts will vary. Two witnesses to a road traffic accident will tell it differently. Start and worry when the two accounts are identical, it might be a fabrication.
 

UnoiAmarah

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The whole point of the tex isn't that Jesus rose from the dead,

For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead. .John 20:9
 

tanakh

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Listen to any two or more people recalling an event and their accounts will vary. Two witnesses to a road traffic accident will tell it differently. Start and worry when the two accounts are identical, it might be a fabrication.
You are right. In your analogy the central facts are that there was a road accident and people saw it. In the resurrection account the facts are that the tomb was empty, and angels told his followers that Jesus had risen. Trying to square the details in different resurrection accounts only leads us to creating our own scripture. The same can be said of other places in the Bible where account details differ.
 

tantalon

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There is a principal of two or more witnesses to establish the facts. I have found that the whole event is given piece meal, that is, some are given a small part of the whole, and others a larger part. But when joined together they all agree to the facts each contribute. For example, look at the cross of Jesus. Each account adds or joins to the other to make a completed witness, without this, it would give the allusion of conflicting or differing reports of the whole. Keep in mind, this is a report of the Spirit of God, given to chosen men of God. ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God... and not any personal view.