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If believing in Jesus and his sacrifice for my sins makes me a cult member then I gladly embrace the title...
If believing in the eternal kingdom of God makes me a cult member I gladly embrace the title...
If believing in eternal life through Jesus makes me a cult member I gladly embrace the title..
If believing in the bible as the Word of the God makes me a cult member I gladly embrace the title
If believing in............anything found in the scriptures makes me a member of a cult I gladly accept and embrace the title with no reservations whatsoever at all....SERIOUS!
If believing in the eternal kingdom of God makes me a cult member I gladly embrace the title...
If believing in eternal life through Jesus makes me a cult member I gladly embrace the title..
If believing in the bible as the Word of the God makes me a cult member I gladly embrace the title
If believing in............anything found in the scriptures makes me a member of a cult I gladly accept and embrace the title with no reservations whatsoever at all....SERIOUS!
M
Your Ellen White is considered to be a FALSE prophet by Biblical standards. This makes her church and her doctrine false also. The fact that SDA teaches born again is irrelevant. A little leven affects the whole.
The SDA focus is on End Times rather than emulating Christ to others...BEING Christ to and for others and doing...DOING His word.
Pretty simple.
Maggie
The SDA focus is on End Times rather than emulating Christ to others...BEING Christ to and for others and doing...DOING His word.
Pretty simple.
Maggie
I am not saying that what Ellen White teaches is right, and if this church is following a human teacher rather than the bible then the entire church is wrong, I agree.
But we all are false prophets to some degree, because we see darkly, no one completely understands. You once made a statement I feel sure is not true. You seemed to say we know what Paul's thorn in the flesh was, I think scripture does not tell us. If I am right that it doesn't tell us and you say it does, does that make you a false prophet even though everything else you say is right on, follow scripture exactly. If it is really true that scripture does not tell us what Paul's thorn in the flesh was, would that make you a false prophet?
But we all are false prophets to some degree, because we see darkly, no one completely understands. You once made a statement I feel sure is not true. You seemed to say we know what Paul's thorn in the flesh was, I think scripture does not tell us. If I am right that it doesn't tell us and you say it does, does that make you a false prophet even though everything else you say is right on, follow scripture exactly. If it is really true that scripture does not tell us what Paul's thorn in the flesh was, would that make you a false prophet?
So what is the definition of a cult?
cult
a religious group which promotes worship of a human leader and devotion of one's life to a specific purpose.
Some have members practice certain rituals or follow a set of principle rules. The group usually believes its way is the only correct way to live life, and all non-members are doomed to some horrible fate if they cannot be persuaded to join.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cult
Point #1 - This is outright proselytizing, which is against the forum rules.
Point #2 - As the definition so clearly notes, devotion to a human leader, mainly Ellen White. The OP is almost entirely about reading her books. Kind of fulfills the definition of cult to perfection!!
Point #3 - The practice of certain rules or rituals. Like celebrating a certain day, eating a certain way, etc, etc.
Point #4 - Since I have no intention of wasting my time reading any books by Ellen White, I do not know if they think all non-members are doomed to hell if we do not join, or at least follow their rules. My best bet is yes, but I could be corrected with the right quote from the Queen Bee, herself.
I think by the 7th Day Adventism fulfills the definition of cult in all ways!
cult
a religious group which promotes worship of a human leader and devotion of one's life to a specific purpose.
Some have members practice certain rituals or follow a set of principle rules. The group usually believes its way is the only correct way to live life, and all non-members are doomed to some horrible fate if they cannot be persuaded to join.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cult
Point #1 - This is outright proselytizing, which is against the forum rules.
Point #2 - As the definition so clearly notes, devotion to a human leader, mainly Ellen White. The OP is almost entirely about reading her books. Kind of fulfills the definition of cult to perfection!!
Point #3 - The practice of certain rules or rituals. Like celebrating a certain day, eating a certain way, etc, etc.
Point #4 - Since I have no intention of wasting my time reading any books by Ellen White, I do not know if they think all non-members are doomed to hell if we do not join, or at least follow their rules. My best bet is yes, but I could be corrected with the right quote from the Queen Bee, herself.
I think by the 7th Day Adventism fulfills the definition of cult in all ways!
I hope everyone feels real good about themselves - singling out a denomination and bashing it to death or at least trying to. How would you feel if it was your denomination on the chopping block? How would you feel if you watched Jesus bend down and start writing in the sand/dirt about your denominations errors and then stood up and said he who is without sin cast the first stone.
I am a bible believing Christian who does happen to be a Seventh Day Adventist, and you know nothing about me except for the few posts I have put on CC. It does not matter who says it from what denomination but it is hurtful and wrong to tell someone you don't really know that they are a demon or will go to hell just because they belong to a certain denomination.
Jesus is my Savior and I have gone to Him and asked for forgiveness, and accept His sacrifice for me and my sins.
I worship on the 7th day Sabbath because God asked me to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, not because some human told me to do so. I figure that if God took the time to come down to Mt. Sinai to write the 10 commandments on two tablets of stone that those laws must be pretty important to Him. Being that I am learning to love God I want to respect Him and do what He has asked me to do. I know the law won't save me Jesus did that, but the law shows me what sin is and the bible says that sin is transgression of the law. God said if you love me keep my commandments. God asked me to do it not a human and I must obey God rather than man.
It is hurtful all the bashing, personally go ahead I am willing to take it. I am just saying step into my shoes a little while and this is your denomination getting bashed. Now how do you feel? Righteous? Justified?
I believe many different denominations will be represented in heaven, because they hear God's voice and follow where He leads them and they will obey God. He said other sheep I have that are not of this fold. He also said His sheep hear His voice. I am listening to Him, are you?
I will still have brotherly love for all of you, I will still pray for you and God knows I pray for those on CC. So to you who are without sin please be my guest and cast the first stone. May God continue to bless you in your walk with Him.
I am a bible believing Christian who does happen to be a Seventh Day Adventist, and you know nothing about me except for the few posts I have put on CC. It does not matter who says it from what denomination but it is hurtful and wrong to tell someone you don't really know that they are a demon or will go to hell just because they belong to a certain denomination.
Jesus is my Savior and I have gone to Him and asked for forgiveness, and accept His sacrifice for me and my sins.
I worship on the 7th day Sabbath because God asked me to Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, not because some human told me to do so. I figure that if God took the time to come down to Mt. Sinai to write the 10 commandments on two tablets of stone that those laws must be pretty important to Him. Being that I am learning to love God I want to respect Him and do what He has asked me to do. I know the law won't save me Jesus did that, but the law shows me what sin is and the bible says that sin is transgression of the law. God said if you love me keep my commandments. God asked me to do it not a human and I must obey God rather than man.
It is hurtful all the bashing, personally go ahead I am willing to take it. I am just saying step into my shoes a little while and this is your denomination getting bashed. Now how do you feel? Righteous? Justified?
I believe many different denominations will be represented in heaven, because they hear God's voice and follow where He leads them and they will obey God. He said other sheep I have that are not of this fold. He also said His sheep hear His voice. I am listening to Him, are you?
I will still have brotherly love for all of you, I will still pray for you and God knows I pray for those on CC. So to you who are without sin please be my guest and cast the first stone. May God continue to bless you in your walk with Him.
The prophets who knew the truth ripped the false religions of their day..
Jesus who knew the truth ripped the false religions of His day
Paul who knew the truth ripped the false religions of his day
Seems like the children of God should be just like God......if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and looks like a duck..........
Jesus who knew the truth ripped the false religions of His day
Paul who knew the truth ripped the false religions of his day
Seems like the children of God should be just like God......if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and looks like a duck..........
M
NO because to disagree about the meaning of a scripture does not make one a prophet at all. To disagree simply makes one a challenger on the topic/subject/concept. A PROPHET is a person, male or female, that speaks, on God's behalf, declaring His mind and PROPHESYING things of the future. A False prophet is one that prophesies and what is said does not come to pass OR one that prophesies with a FALSE MOTIVE....saying correctly what the Lord has revealed or said, but doing so on one's own accord or for one's personal reputation enhancement.
as for the 'thorn' thing....the 'thorn' was a MESSENGER OF SATAN. Messengers, in the spiritual realm are either angles, heavenly or hellish or demons who come to torment. The whole things is SO simple that...leave it to us humans, we MUST make it difficult.
as for the 'thorn' thing....the 'thorn' was a MESSENGER OF SATAN. Messengers, in the spiritual realm are either angles, heavenly or hellish or demons who come to torment. The whole things is SO simple that...leave it to us humans, we MUST make it difficult.
Perhaps I am reacting without enough prayer and scripture behind me, if so I am sorry, but I just cannot believe that the prophets would attack others who worshipped the one true God. They had many different denominations long before Christ. Jesus told what was wrong with the way the Pharisees worshipped, when Jesus got personal it was about the wrong thing they were doing, like pretending to fast, or pretending to honor the Sabbath when they were only trying to trap him. Paul did the same.
I have some very dear friends who do things in their church I think are very wrong and I have told each of them of the things I object to. One is my pastor! Both of these are still dear friends and we often discuss the things about scripture we agree on because we all share that we put God first in our lives. The only ones that I don't share with are those who say scripture is not for them, but I have made it very clear that all of God comes first in my life.
I can not help but think that some of the tearing, almost brutal things said here are not the way God wants us to do.
I have some very dear friends who do things in their church I think are very wrong and I have told each of them of the things I object to. One is my pastor! Both of these are still dear friends and we often discuss the things about scripture we agree on because we all share that we put God first in our lives. The only ones that I don't share with are those who say scripture is not for them, but I have made it very clear that all of God comes first in my life.
I can not help but think that some of the tearing, almost brutal things said here are not the way God wants us to do.
I actually understand what you are trying to say, and agree............to a point.......but what you are speaking of is not prophecy............thus when someone errs in their translation/understanding of a scripture, that does not make them a "false prophet." It simply means they are not yet mature in their understanding of the Word of God.
People who give their opinion/belief as to what a scripture means are not prophesying, they are simply communicating........
Anyway, that would be where I differ with your comment.
People who give their opinion/belief as to what a scripture means are not prophesying, they are simply communicating........
Anyway, that would be where I differ with your comment.
Were not the early christians considered a Jewish cult?
The ones in a cult are always the first to point out the other cults.
[h=2]cult[/h] noun, often attributive \ˈkəlt\: a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous
: a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much
: a small group of very devoted supporters or fans
The ones in a cult are always the first to point out the other cults.
[h=2]cult[/h] noun, often attributive \ˈkəlt\: a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous
: a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much
: a small group of very devoted supporters or fans
A
A thread started by a cult member who doesn't like being called what they, in reality, are: a cult member.
"The Adventist claim to be the remnant church implies that all other Christians are walking in some degree of darkness. Mrs White once said that the observance of the seventh-day sabbath distinguishes God’s loyal subjects from transgressors. Many Adventists today would like to be thought of as evangelical Christians, and in recent years there has been considerable internal discussion on central doctrinal issues. But the doctrine of the remnant church, still official Adventist teaching, would make identification with main-stream evangelicalism impossible."
- (Hagerstown, MD, 1957); D. M. Canright, Seventh-day Adventism Renounced (1889; repr. Grand Rapids, MI, 1961); J. Craven, ‘The Wall of Adventism’, CT 28 (1984), pp. 20–25; A. A. Hoekema, The Four Major Cults (Exeter, 1963); G. Land (ed.), Adventism in America: A History (Grand Rapids, MI, 1986); G. J. Paxton, The Shaking of Adventism—A documented account of the crisis among Adventists over the doctrine of justification by faith (Grand Rapids, MI, 1978).
The SDA is a cult started by a group that strayed from the path of orthodoxy laid down by Jesus, the Apostles, and the church fathers to follow a false prophecy. When it didn't materialize, they accepted a man's fanciful fabricated vision and a false Judaizer prophetess that invented a theological mess which has ensnared millions. The resulting deceit and wordsmith games naturally followed. Read 'Lying for God' by Kerry B. Wynne, William H. Hohmann, and Robert K. Sanders.
Four out of five Seventh-day Adventists reside outside of North America mostly in areas of poor education. SDA survives by deceitfully ensnaring the ignorant and indoctrinating them until they can accept the "meat" of their heresy. Fortunately, about a third have the scales fall off their eyes and drop out.
"The Adventist claim to be the remnant church implies that all other Christians are walking in some degree of darkness. Mrs White once said that the observance of the seventh-day sabbath distinguishes God’s loyal subjects from transgressors. Many Adventists today would like to be thought of as evangelical Christians, and in recent years there has been considerable internal discussion on central doctrinal issues. But the doctrine of the remnant church, still official Adventist teaching, would make identification with main-stream evangelicalism impossible."
- (Hagerstown, MD, 1957); D. M. Canright, Seventh-day Adventism Renounced (1889; repr. Grand Rapids, MI, 1961); J. Craven, ‘The Wall of Adventism’, CT 28 (1984), pp. 20–25; A. A. Hoekema, The Four Major Cults (Exeter, 1963); G. Land (ed.), Adventism in America: A History (Grand Rapids, MI, 1986); G. J. Paxton, The Shaking of Adventism—A documented account of the crisis among Adventists over the doctrine of justification by faith (Grand Rapids, MI, 1978).
The SDA is a cult started by a group that strayed from the path of orthodoxy laid down by Jesus, the Apostles, and the church fathers to follow a false prophecy. When it didn't materialize, they accepted a man's fanciful fabricated vision and a false Judaizer prophetess that invented a theological mess which has ensnared millions. The resulting deceit and wordsmith games naturally followed. Read 'Lying for God' by Kerry B. Wynne, William H. Hohmann, and Robert K. Sanders.
Four out of five Seventh-day Adventists reside outside of North America mostly in areas of poor education. SDA survives by deceitfully ensnaring the ignorant and indoctrinating them until they can accept the "meat" of their heresy. Fortunately, about a third have the scales fall off their eyes and drop out.
A
Your correlation is fallacious to the point of ridiculous. The reason why it doesn't matter if the Jews and pagans of the first century mistakenly called Christianity a cult is because Christianity was the genuine article... a TRUE fulfillment.
The Seventh Day Adventists are NOT the genuine article NOR a true fulfillment but rather one of many counterfeits that misguided individuals fabricated by maligning and twisting the genuine article to conform with their fabricated heresy creating a real cult in the process.
The Seventh Day Adventists are NOT the genuine article NOR a true fulfillment but rather one of many counterfeits that misguided individuals fabricated by maligning and twisting the genuine article to conform with their fabricated heresy creating a real cult in the process.
Seventh day adventist doesn't believe in hell. There is penalty but not forever
www.bible-researcher.com › Interpretation › Hell
The Seventh-day Adventist teaching differs somewhat from the above. Like the Witnesses, the Adventists deny that there is an entity called the "soul" that survives the body. That is to say, the conscious, thinking part of man dies (ceases to exist) with the body. Though this position is often called "soul sleep," the term "soul extinction" better describes it. [SUP][26][/SUP] The Adventists teach that the wicked will be raised (or, more properly, "re-created") on the day of judgment. At that time, God will inflict on the wicked "conscious pain of whatever degree and duration God may justly determine." [SUP][27][/SUP] This infliction is truly penal in character, though the suffering is not endless. "But in the end...the wicked will be consumed entirely and be no more." [SUP][28][/SUP]
www.bible-researcher.com › Interpretation › Hell
The Seventh-day Adventist teaching differs somewhat from the above. Like the Witnesses, the Adventists deny that there is an entity called the "soul" that survives the body. That is to say, the conscious, thinking part of man dies (ceases to exist) with the body. Though this position is often called "soul sleep," the term "soul extinction" better describes it. [SUP][26][/SUP] The Adventists teach that the wicked will be raised (or, more properly, "re-created") on the day of judgment. At that time, God will inflict on the wicked "conscious pain of whatever degree and duration God may justly determine." [SUP][27][/SUP] This infliction is truly penal in character, though the suffering is not endless. "But in the end...the wicked will be consumed entirely and be no more." [SUP][28][/SUP]