Revelation 12:4 and "It"
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Before you just start saying "Utter Tosh" and rejecting what I am saying, Just think about this for a moment.
I believe the mark is going to be a supernatural mark, it will be the result of changing our DNA. Our spirits will also be corrupted and changed.
WHY?
Well consider what is going to happen, Christ will return and battle with the Anti-christ, demons and the armies of earth. Now problem is, humans are no match for spiritual beings, so the human armies are going to be useless in the battle. Satan needs an army to swell his ranks. Changing human DNA and spirits will give Satan super humans who are able to fight angles, are these the Nephilim as in days of Noah?
Once changed to these super hybrids, humans will have the ability to see spiritual things, so they can spot any humans who have not been changed, or in other words taken the mark. The humans who have taken the mark will be so besoted with satan they will not think twice of killing those who have not taken the mark. Everything will end up in control of the people who taken the mark, so those who have not, will not even dare to enter a shop or ask for help because they will be detected instantly and killed or thrown into prison.
This is also why we read that everyone who has taken the mark will be destroyed,as these people are not pure humans, the spirit has been corrupted beyond saving, therefore they are not even being judged or given a life line of repenting.
Why would God totally reject and destroy people who take the mark, when there is still a way to be saved and to enter heaven for those who do not take the mark? A spiritual corruption makes perfect sense.
I believe the mark is going to be a supernatural mark, it will be the result of changing our DNA. Our spirits will also be corrupted and changed.
WHY?
Well consider what is going to happen, Christ will return and battle with the Anti-christ, demons and the armies of earth. Now problem is, humans are no match for spiritual beings, so the human armies are going to be useless in the battle. Satan needs an army to swell his ranks. Changing human DNA and spirits will give Satan super humans who are able to fight angles, are these the Nephilim as in days of Noah?
Once changed to these super hybrids, humans will have the ability to see spiritual things, so they can spot any humans who have not been changed, or in other words taken the mark. The humans who have taken the mark will be so besoted with satan they will not think twice of killing those who have not taken the mark. Everything will end up in control of the people who taken the mark, so those who have not, will not even dare to enter a shop or ask for help because they will be detected instantly and killed or thrown into prison.
This is also why we read that everyone who has taken the mark will be destroyed,as these people are not pure humans, the spirit has been corrupted beyond saving, therefore they are not even being judged or given a life line of repenting.
Why would God totally reject and destroy people who take the mark, when there is still a way to be saved and to enter heaven for those who do not take the mark? A spiritual corruption makes perfect sense.
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So I see. He didn't say exactly what it was and I don't click on a link just because someone thinks I should, do you?
He is not forthcoming with his answers and he doesn't address my questions.
If he is well versed in the word he knows that we are told to try the spirits, and so far he's coming up dross.
I did not ask him to tell me why and how he came to his conclusions, I simply asked for the conclusions. If he doesn't know the answers to the questions I have posed he certainly can't be counted on to be believed about anything he is trying to teach on.
Do you accept everything you hear regardless of the source? You say you know him, is that supposed to be good enough for me? Do I know you? No? Didn't think so.
I am doing nothing that shouldn't be done. Paul had no problem with being checked out and neither should anyone else. From what little I can see, the OP just wanders around the net going to different christian chatrooms trying to find someone to believe what he says.
Itching ears, is the way I think the bible refers to it.
I asked for the origination of his op and he balked at giving it. Tried to make it seem it wasn't a copy and paste. Well, it was. The same post was made by him on another forum. People like this don't seem to understand that everywhere you go on the internet you leave a footprint. When I tried to pin him down about where it was copied from he shut up and you stepped in.
His credibility is non-existent at this point and he is doing nothing to improve that standing.
He is not forthcoming with his answers and he doesn't address my questions.
If he is well versed in the word he knows that we are told to try the spirits, and so far he's coming up dross.
I did not ask him to tell me why and how he came to his conclusions, I simply asked for the conclusions. If he doesn't know the answers to the questions I have posed he certainly can't be counted on to be believed about anything he is trying to teach on.
Do you accept everything you hear regardless of the source? You say you know him, is that supposed to be good enough for me? Do I know you? No? Didn't think so.
I am doing nothing that shouldn't be done. Paul had no problem with being checked out and neither should anyone else. From what little I can see, the OP just wanders around the net going to different christian chatrooms trying to find someone to believe what he says.
Itching ears, is the way I think the bible refers to it.
I asked for the origination of his op and he balked at giving it. Tried to make it seem it wasn't a copy and paste. Well, it was. The same post was made by him on another forum. People like this don't seem to understand that everywhere you go on the internet you leave a footprint. When I tried to pin him down about where it was copied from he shut up and you stepped in.
His credibility is non-existent at this point and he is doing nothing to improve that standing.
Genesis 1
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Romans 1
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Romans 1
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
What, we don't see things eye to eye? lol
John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Those who have the mark buy and sell, those who already have oil in their lamps need not to buy or sell.
Matthew 25:1-1225 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Matthew 25:1-1225 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
You could have very simply said, Im sorry I dont click on links. Simple.
You gotta sit down and have a chat with him about that, that can be rather irksome I agree
Fill him in about his dross, but talking about him to me shouldnt be mistaken for silver
Drip, drip drip I know...
I wouldnt get yourself all worked up about it, just take him off your telemarketer list, its really quite simple
That would be insane, rarely
I said so only when asked, and I certainly never said my answer to the other person applies to you.
Because thats sort of retarded
No, goodness no.
I never met you before in my life
and Im really regretting bumping into you to be perfectly honest
Alrighty then
Do your thing, whatever that is, dont let me stop you.
Run him through a TSA scanner, be really thorough
Horrors! You kidding!?!
He hangs out at christian sites sharing what he feels he has been given?
Am I supposed to be shocked?
Seriously so what?
I hang out at others forums too
Itching ears pertains to after lusts. He speaks about denying your lusts (as does the grace of God).
Seriously you drag on and on about someone over absolutely nothing
Who cares?
I have my posts all over the internet too, I copy paste them if I cant find them by the correct keyword on my own.
Again, so what?
Who cares? I post the same things tweeking them here and there where I go, whats wrong with that?
He knows it very well, he doesnt try to conceal himself, I feel thats being pretty honest about himself. he doesnt worry about hiding.
I have various screen names myself, and mostly because of nosey meddlers like yourself in peoples underwear drawers and pulling out a scoop on someone for your own sport.
You tried to pin him down about where its copied from?
Its copied from his own site with his name on it.
So what?
You credibility isnt doing too much better either.
This is creepy
I have never heard a man whine like you do, you put most women to shame in this thing.
If I dont know what he is talking about I just tweek his nose and say, "whatever"!
You gotta sit down and have a chat with him about that, that can be rather irksome I agree
Fill him in about his dross, but talking about him to me shouldnt be mistaken for silver
Drip, drip drip I know...
I wouldnt get yourself all worked up about it, just take him off your telemarketer list, its really quite simple
That would be insane, rarely
I said so only when asked, and I certainly never said my answer to the other person applies to you.
Because thats sort of retarded
No, goodness no.
I never met you before in my life
and Im really regretting bumping into you to be perfectly honest
Alrighty then
Do your thing, whatever that is, dont let me stop you.
Run him through a TSA scanner, be really thorough
Horrors! You kidding!?!
He hangs out at christian sites sharing what he feels he has been given?
Am I supposed to be shocked?
Seriously so what?
I hang out at others forums too
Itching ears pertains to after lusts. He speaks about denying your lusts (as does the grace of God).
Seriously you drag on and on about someone over absolutely nothing
Who cares?
I have my posts all over the internet too, I copy paste them if I cant find them by the correct keyword on my own.
Again, so what?
Who cares? I post the same things tweeking them here and there where I go, whats wrong with that?
He knows it very well, he doesnt try to conceal himself, I feel thats being pretty honest about himself. he doesnt worry about hiding.
I have various screen names myself, and mostly because of nosey meddlers like yourself in peoples underwear drawers and pulling out a scoop on someone for your own sport.
You tried to pin him down about where its copied from?
Its copied from his own site with his name on it.
So what?
You credibility isnt doing too much better either.
This is creepy
I have never heard a man whine like you do, you put most women to shame in this thing.
If I dont know what he is talking about I just tweek his nose and say, "whatever"!
Is the eye in your pic a pun for something along these lines? If not what does it represent and also the name Iseeyou?
Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened. - Zechariah 11:17 (KJV)
Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened. - Zechariah 11:17 (KJV)
It looked to me you were on the right track with what you had posted earlier about man worshipping the creature image over that of the Creator. Just as we are told to conform to the image of God's Son (who is the Fathers express inward image) but the world who rejects the spiritual image of God in Christ, worship their own inward image( who is made in the image of their father the devil,) which is the image of man/beast.
Here's and old thread I wrote on the inward image of God. When you want to understand the imagery of the darkness, just think opposite of the Light.
In the very beginning man was created in Gods own image, as it is also written. But understanding what that image means, and how man lost that image is all important.
It is written that no man has ever seen the face of God, as it is also written God is invisible. But Jesus is the express inward image of God. Colossians 1:15; “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:” So what image was man first created in?
So was God's invisible image a visible outward image of God, or was it the invisible inward image of God? Hopefully you will come to see it is the invisible inward image of God man was first created in, but also lost because of sin.
And so when sin entered into man he took on the image of the earthly, and put off the image of the heavenly.
Jesus said be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. And as the scriptures show man was first created perfect (in Gods own image) in the day God created man. Ezekiel 28:15; “Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou was created, till iniquity was found in thee.”
In this we see man was created in the Gods own inward image (in His ways); that was until sin entered into man. And so at that point in time man began to take on the image of the man of sin, who is like a natural brute beast, and his father the devil.
So if we are all created in that perfect inward image of God as many might say, then this world would be a perfectly good and peaceful place right? But we know that’s not true. And if we were all first created in that perfect inward image of God, then there would be no need to be born again right? I mean why would you want to change perfection?
But clearly mankind is far from perfect, but Gods image is perfect. Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.
So if we have fallen from the image of the heavenly, and taken on the image of the earthly, how can we then return to that Godly image? It is only possible by being born again of Gods Holy Spirit, and be renewed and transformed from our old man image back into the image of God’s blessed Son. (who is the express inward image of God) as is in Hebrews 1:3.
Colossians 3:10; “And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:” Ephesians 4:23-24And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
So when we are made a new man in Christ, does our outward visible image change, or is our invisible inward image renewed back into the image of our God?
By this hopefully some will now see, not all men are created in that inward invisible image of the perfect God.
In the very beginning man was created in Gods own image, as it is also written. But understanding what that image means, and how man lost that image is all important.
It is written that no man has ever seen the face of God, as it is also written God is invisible. But Jesus is the express inward image of God. Colossians 1:15; “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:” So what image was man first created in?
So was God's invisible image a visible outward image of God, or was it the invisible inward image of God? Hopefully you will come to see it is the invisible inward image of God man was first created in, but also lost because of sin.
And so when sin entered into man he took on the image of the earthly, and put off the image of the heavenly.
Jesus said be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. And as the scriptures show man was first created perfect (in Gods own image) in the day God created man. Ezekiel 28:15; “Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou was created, till iniquity was found in thee.”
In this we see man was created in the Gods own inward image (in His ways); that was until sin entered into man. And so at that point in time man began to take on the image of the man of sin, who is like a natural brute beast, and his father the devil.
So if we are all created in that perfect inward image of God as many might say, then this world would be a perfectly good and peaceful place right? But we know that’s not true. And if we were all first created in that perfect inward image of God, then there would be no need to be born again right? I mean why would you want to change perfection?
But clearly mankind is far from perfect, but Gods image is perfect. Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.
So if we have fallen from the image of the heavenly, and taken on the image of the earthly, how can we then return to that Godly image? It is only possible by being born again of Gods Holy Spirit, and be renewed and transformed from our old man image back into the image of God’s blessed Son. (who is the express inward image of God) as is in Hebrews 1:3.
Colossians 3:10; “And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:” Ephesians 4:23-24And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
So when we are made a new man in Christ, does our outward visible image change, or is our invisible inward image renewed back into the image of our God?
By this hopefully some will now see, not all men are created in that inward invisible image of the perfect God.