Revelation 12:4 and "It"

Reborn · Jan 14, 2015

Isaiah 45:4
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

So here we have God is establishing His definition of the word and who are the "Elect" ......Israel.
No where does that definition change throughout the Bible, ...meaning God does no re-elect something He has already established as THEE elect. These are His chosen people.

We know Israel has always been His chosen people......His elect.....you can not deny this?

This squashes anyone who thinks and feels that there is a new set of Christian "elect", because throughout the OT/ NT, this definition of "elect" does not change.

Please correct me if I am wrong? In context to EVERY time this word is used?

Now if you have this definition of "elect" wrong (being us Christians) ...does this change any of the ideas/theories that you may have been "shown"? If your thoughts are the elect, are indeed Christians....then you have already proven to me that you will be way off on some very major prophecy points?

Is it safe to assume you think "elect" means "us/Christians", right?
I ask a serious question brother?

phil112 · Jan 14, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

Why do you continue to present yourself as privy to information that no one else has? "It looked to me"....as if he needed your approval. You weren't well received elsewhere because of your arrogance, and it is happening here. If you are indeed sincere, if you indeed have something people should hear, why do you not make an effort to temper your attitude? Fella, you make yourself sound like the second coming. There is nothing in your bible, or your life, from God that everyone else doesn't have at their disposal.

Will Jesus be riding a white horse when He returns to earth?
What/who are the two witnesses?

jkalyna · Jan 14, 2015

phil112 said:

Why do you continue to present yourself as privy to information that no one else has? "It looked to me"....as if he needed your approval. You weren't well received elsewhere because of your arrogance, and it is happening here. If you are indeed sincere, if you indeed have something people should hear, why do you not make an effort to temper your attitude? Fella, you make yourself sound like the second coming. There is nothing in your bible, or your life, from God that everyone else doesn't have at their disposal.

Will Jesus be riding a white horse when He returns to earth?
What/who are the two witnesses?

It might be trying to get your attention. I'm back to bug you.

lol

jkalyna · Jan 14, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

Here's and old thread I wrote on the inward image of God. When you want to understand the imagery of the darkness, just think opposite of the Light.

In the very beginning man was created in Gods own image, as it is also written. But understanding what that image means, and how man lost that image is all important.

It is written that no man has ever seen the face of God, as it is also written God is invisible. But Jesus is the express inward image of God. Colossians 1:15; “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:” So what image was man first created in?
So was God's invisible image a visible outward image of God, or was it the invisible inward image of God? Hopefully you will come to see it is the invisible inward image of God man was first created in, but also lost because of sin.

And so when sin entered into man he took on the image of the earthly, and put off the image of the heavenly.

Jesus said be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. And as the scriptures show man was first created perfect (in Gods own image) in the day God created man. Ezekiel 28:15; “Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou was created, till iniquity was found in thee.”

In this we see man was created in the Gods own inward image (in His ways); that was until sin entered into man. And so at that point in time man began to take on the image of the man of sin, who is like a natural brute beast, and his father the devil.

So if we are all created in that perfect inward image of God as many might say, then this world would be a perfectly good and peaceful place right? But we know that’s not true. And if we were all first created in that perfect inward image of God, then there would be no need to be born again right? I mean why would you want to change perfection?

But clearly mankind is far from perfect, but Gods image is perfect. Psalm 18:30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

So if we have fallen from the image of the heavenly, and taken on the image of the earthly, how can we then return to that Godly image? It is only possible by being born again of Gods Holy Spirit, and be renewed and transformed from our old man image back into the image of God’s blessed Son. (who is the express inward image of God) as is in Hebrews 1:3.

Colossians 3:10; “And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:” Ephesians 4:23-24And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”

So when we are made a new man in Christ, does our outward visible image change, or is our invisible inward image renewed back into the image of our God?

By this hopefully some will now see, not all men are created in that inward invisible image of the perfect God.

True, when we are born again, it is the new creative creature we become within, and it is the Glory of God within us. It does have the power to manifest it's self on the outside, just as the power of evil, manisfests it's self on the outside of those who are captives of sin. It you take two people the same age, next to each other, one who is in every defilement of evil, is darkness within his spirit , and it shows because of the sin, or things he's doing, the other person, of the same age, living a godly life, the power of the Lord manifests it'sef also on the outside. It starts within of course, for the spirit lives on forever it has that power given to us from the Lord. amen.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 15, 2015

Reborn said:

I know who the elect are, as I am one of the elect, anointed of God's Holy Spirit. You judge Israel after the flesh, this is your error in understanding just who the elect of God truly are. God's elect are anointed by His Holy Spirit, in this we see not all Israel is of the flesh and blood lineage of Israel.

Romans 9:6 "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:"

Romans 2:29 "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 15, 2015

phil112 said:

The information I have was not given to me by men, that is also why men like yourself do not receive me, nor Him who sent me. And as far as an attitude goes, you might want to look in the mirror. And if I have nothing in me from God, that everyone else also has, then go and teach yourself the questions you ask of me. Besides the Lord told me not to cast my pearls before the swine.

Proverbs 18:21 "Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof."

Hizikyah · Jan 15, 2015

phil112 said:

InSpiritInTruth said:

Phil112 is a man that has proved himself here as a seeker of the Most High.

1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is Yahweh! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from Yahweh."

Yahchanan (John) 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 15, 2015

jkalyna said:

Yes, you will know a tree by their fruits(words and works) both good and evil.

Matthew 7:16-19[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

john832 · Jan 15, 2015

ISeeYou said:

No wonder he didn't sign it.

john832 · Jan 15, 2015

Hizikyah said:

Apparently, they speak with the same voice.

john832 · Jan 15, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

Ain't it great to have free moral agency?

john832 · Jan 15, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

I know who the elect are, as I am one of the elect, anointed of God's Holy Spirit. You judge Israel after the flesh, this is your error in understanding just who the elect of God truly are. God's elect are anointed by His Holy Spirit, in this we see not all Israel is of the flesh and blood lineage of Israel.

Romans 9:6 "Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:"

Romans 2:29 "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

A common refrain, if you don't see it my way, you are after the flesh for I am after the spirit.

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 15, 2015

john832 said:

Yes, the children of the flesh strive against the children of the Spirit. So might want to ask yourself what spirit directed your last 4 posts.

psalm6819 · Jan 15, 2015

Rev 12:4-5
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered , for to devour her child as soon as it was born . 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

I'm not understanding what point you are making brother RE the title of the OP??? What it?

These verses are about Jesus-He's the the One who rules the nations with a rod of iron.

It's in Revelation and the Psalms......

psalm6819 · Jan 15, 2015

Revelation 19:15

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God

Jesus-on His white horse "the Word of God".

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 15, 2015

psalm6819 said:

Rev 12:4-5
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered , for to devour her child as soon as it was born . 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

I'm not understanding what point you are making brother RE the title of the OP??? What it?

These verses are about Jesus-He's the the One who rules the nations with a rod of iron.

It's in Revelation and the Psalms......

The OP is about the tail of the red dragon. The tail is "it" aka "little horn" aka "spirit of a lie"

psalm6819 · Jan 15, 2015

The Dragon is Satan His tail is his tail are you saying it represents the false prophet or the antichrist? You don' think they are literal?
but what's spirit of a lie? I'm not being snarky..it just seems kinda ambiguous..just trying to connect your dots, if you will...

Hizikyah · Jan 15, 2015

Daniyl 7:20-21, 24-25, "And of the ten horns that were on his head, and of the other horn which came up, before whom three fell--the horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spoke very great things, whose look was more stoutthan his fellows. I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;... And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that will arise; and another will rise after them; and he will be different from the first ones, and he will subdue three kings. And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times, and Laws"

InSpiritInTruth · Jan 15, 2015

psalm6819 said:

I'm always glad to help those who are truly sincere, and those who do not harden their hearts to the message. I tried to connect the dots for you in my OP, so you might want to read over it again.

But yes the tail is symbolic of the false prophet spirit (which works in many deceivers) The answer to this mystery of the tail of the red dragon is shown here in Isaiah 9:15 "The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail."

Hizikyah · Jan 15, 2015

InSpiritInTruth said:

Are you just making this stuff up as you go along?

so how does the "false prophet spirit" cast down a third of the starts (angles)

satan convinced a third of the angels to follow

"his tail" is like saying "his right arm"

Revelation 12:4, "His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it."

Revelation 12:9, "And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him."

Revelation 9:1, "And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit."

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