Revelation 13.13

Nebuchadnezzer · Feb 14, 2020

The Great Curse: Excommunication
https://journals.openedition.org/caliban/713
Other articles of the great curse apply to people who hinder Church representatives or their employees in the pursuit of their lawful duties. This includes tithe-collectors, whom one may easily imagine were greatly disliked by most people; but anyone who injured them, or in any way interfered with tithe-collecting (by physical violence, or by refusing to grant access to their farmlands), was liable to excommunication. Likewise anyone who refused to pay, or who held tithes back, or who stole goods that had been set aside for tithe payment. Parish priests and bishops depended on the tithing of agricultural produce for much of their livelihood; if they were obliged to engage in legal action against a parishioner in order to force him to pay, and if they were subsequently threatened or persecuted by the guilty party, the perpetrator could be excommunicated.

Nebuchadnezzer · Feb 14, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

It is easy to picture the devastating effect of this dire curse (excommunication) on the medieval congregation. Citing once more the Council of Oxford (1222) as his authority, the preacher says that the articles of excommunication are to be read out by the parish priest four times a year; no one, therefore, could plead ignorance, since regular churchgoing was the social norm. While it may be done more often if necessary, he is to read them out at least once in each quarter. The long list of sins and offences which follows, extending through seven chapters, is daunting. The articles of excommunication, far from being relegated to arcane spiritual matters, are firmly rooted in down-to-earth social and legal affairs. It must be remembered that canon law applied to many aspects of daily life and family matters.

The contrast with medieval society [to our modern social-judicial system] could hardly be greater, when, as we have seen, the causes of excommunication were very numerous, and the consequences, both social and political, were grave for rich and poor alike (Rev 13:16).
https://journals.openedition.org/caliban/713

Ahwatukee · Feb 14, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

The word of God says that the beast and the false prophet will be two individuals:

"But the beast was captured along with the false prophet, who on his behalf had performed signs deceiving those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. Both the beast and the false prophet were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur."

First of all, Rev.13 does talk about the antichrist, which is another title for the beast who will come up from the Abyss and will be the spiritual power behind the antichrist who will be a man. For he is referred to as "the man of lawlessness." In addition, the mark of the beast, is said to be "the number of a man." The fact that both of them are thrown alive into the lake of fire would also demonstrate that they are living beings.

Neither the beast nor his mark have yet been revealed. When that mark becomes mandatory so that without it no one will be able to buy or sell, it will affect the entire world.

Also, the mark of the beast is directly related to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. It is in the middle of that last seven years that the false prophet will cause all people to receive it. And the way this will happen is that all the other methods of buying and selling will be made obsolete, leaving only that mark for crediting and debiting an individuals bank account.

You present a very diluted version of God's word regarding the coming of the antichrist/beast, the false prophet and God's wrath which will be taking place during that same time.

The technology for the mark of the beast has been evolving right under everyone's noses in the form of the electronic crediting and debiting system. Currently, people are still able to use cash, credit/debit cards, which some already having chip implants. As we continue on towards those last seven years, the world will be relying on virtual money, i.e. electronic crediting and debiting and cash will continue to be phased out. Sweden and her sister countries are already pretty much cashless nations. 3 1/2 prior to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, that mark will be the only way of buying and selling. The following video is about an editor of a magazine who wanted live for a month with just the scan of his hand. This is the technology for the mark and not what you have claimed:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE

pottersclay · Feb 14, 2020

Alertandawake said:

Short answer no.

At this time super natural powers will be used to entertain those looking for a sign. To place confusion in those that are undecided. Fear into unbelievers. And to discredit those who rebuke the lie.

Jackson123 · Feb 15, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

Rev 13 does not talk of one antichrist. It talks of the 1st beast and the 2nd beast.
The 1st beast and 2nd beast are not individuals!

You wrote, "no one able to buy or sale without the mark of the beast". Yes, this is what happened to those who went against the Middle Ages Roman Catholic Church (2nd Beast) for example in England. They were excommunicated. Excommunication was serious. People who were excommunicated were ostracized where they could "not buy or sell" in their community. They could "not eat or drink" or interact with others in their community. They were totally ostracized and cutoff. Please read.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24403119?seq=1

In England one could be imprisoned if they remained in excommunication for more than 40 days.
https://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=9209&context=journal_articles
Can someone buy and sell when they are incarcerated? I imagine the answer is no in middle ages England.

If you do your homework the Roman Catholic Church (2nd Beast), brought allegations of heresy and the sanction of excommunication. However, these matters were then transferred over to the authoritarian government (1st Beast), which was intertwined with the Roman Catholic Church (2nd Beast). It was this government that imprisoned, tried and sentenced these "heretics" and those who were excommunicated. Ultimately it was the authoritarian government (1st Beast) that convicted and executed these "heretics".

The only way a person was absolved of excommunication was to repent of their wrongdoings to the Catholic Church, pledge an oath of submission to the Catholic Church, and be marked with the sign of the cross; which was to receive the mark of the beast.

Thus in order to buy and sell (be absolved of excommunication) one had to receive the mark of the beast. Fulfilled!!!!!

But rev 13 talking about all nation. Yes pope is antichrist and what happen in England is the work of antichrist, but rev 13 say it will more than only England, it will happen to all nation for 42 month

JohnR7 · Feb 15, 2020

Alertandawake said:

I was talking to a friend of mine that worked for the government on the weather. We were just having a casual conversation and I asked a few questions about HAARP and he started to get afraid and would not talk anymore. He said he could go to jail for a year if he talked about anything that is classified or secret or whatever it is the government calls it. The only thing I learned from that is that there is something going on there that they are not telling people. Even though they claim that HAARP is open and there are no secrets.

For me personally I think they have something to do with the Ice on the Arctic melting so they can remove the oil. Trump is now claiming that we are an oil producer and no longer dependant on any other nation for our energy needs. I do not know very much about it though.

Nebuchadnezzer · Feb 15, 2020

Jackson123 said:

Rev 13 is not talking about some one-world global government/religion led by one man for 3.5 years.

Look to:
1 John 3:10 "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are:"
What John is saying is that a person is either of God or is of the devil. The sides have been chosen.

Paul wrote in Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes." The devil does not have just one scheme, the devil has many schemes.

Lets look at Rev 13:4 "And they worshiped the dragon who gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

Is the dragon just one? Is the beast just one man? NO!

First of all the dragon is the real power behind the beast. The dragon = the devil, and the beast is merely a front, or a scheme of the devil. But the dragon is not just one, and the beast is not just one.

What else do we know about the dragon? Rev 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven"
Rev 12:7 "Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

What else do we know about the dragon? We know that the dragon has his own angels.
The dragon (devil) has his army of fallen angels (demons).

So when we look again at Rev 13:4 "And they worshiped the Dragon who gave power unto the Beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"
We can see that Dragon is not singular. The Dragon is plural --> Dragon and his angels.

In Rev 13:4 Dragon is plural and so the Beast also is plural. The Beast is not one person, or one scheme, or one government that only deceives people for the last 3.5 yrs or 7 yrs of the world.
The Beast is a series of hints and clues into the many schemes, many persons, and many governments... that the Dragon and his angels will use through all generations that are to come. The Beast deceives all peoples of all generations who are not found in the Book of Life (who are not the Children of God).

Lets look again at Ephesians 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

rulers, authorities, powers of this dark world, spiritual forces of evil... THIS IS ALL PLURAL!!!!!!!

Jackson123 · Feb 15, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

Rev 13 is not talking about some one-world global government/religion led by one man for 3.5 years.

Look to:
1 John 3:10 "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are:"
What John is saying is that a person is either of God or is of the devil. The sides have been chosen.

Paul wrote in Ephesians 6:11 "Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes." The devil does not have just one scheme, the devil has many schemes.

Lets look at Rev 13:4 "And they worshiped the dragon who gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

Is the dragon just one? Is the beast just one man? NO!

First of all the dragon is the real power behind the beast. The dragon = the devil, and the beast is merely a front, or a scheme of the devil. But the dragon is not just one, and the beast is not just one.

What else do we know about the dragon? Rev 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven"
Rev 12:7 "Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

What else do we know about the dragon? We know that the dragon has his own angels.
The dragon (devil) has his army of fallen angels (demons).

So when we look again at Rev 13:4 "And they worshiped the Dragon who gave power unto the Beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"
We can see that Dragon is not singular. The Dragon is plural --> Dragon and his angels.

In Rev 13:4 Dragon is plural and so the Beast also is plural. The Beast is not one person, or one scheme, or one government that only deceives people for the last 3.5 yrs or 7 yrs of the world.
The Beast is a series of hints and clues into the many schemes, many persons, and many governments... that the Dragon and his angels will use through all generations that are to come. The Beast deceives all peoples of all generations who are not found in the Book of Life (who are not the Children of God).

Lets look again at Ephesians 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

rulers, authorities, powers of this dark world, spiritual forces of evil... THIS IS ALL PLURAL!!!!!!!

Yes rev 13 is talking about one world government

Rev 13:7

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Another version

7 It was allowed to wage war against the saints and to conquer them.[e] It was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.

He have authority to every tribe, people, language and nation

Mean he rule every nation or one world government

Nebuchadnezzer · Feb 15, 2020

Jackson123 said:

And while everyone looks and waits and anticipates for this future one world government satan continues on deceiving all those who are not found in the book of life. yes or no?

Jackson123 · Feb 15, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

Satan is a father of lie, yes he keep lie to every body

MattforJesus · Feb 15, 2020

Alertandawake said:

Many people believe that people can manipulate the weather.

The Convention bans weather warfare, which is the use of weather modification techniques for the purposes of inducing damage or destruction. The Convention on Biological Diversity of 2010 would also ban some forms of weather modification or geoengineering.

The problem of artificial modification of the environment for military or other hostile purposes was brought to the international agenda in the early 1970s. Following the US decision of July 1972 to renounce the use of climate modification techniques for hostile purposes, the 1973 resolution by the US Senate calling for an international agreement "prohibiting the use of any environmental or geophysical modification activity as a weapon of war", and an in-depth review by the Department of Defense of the military aspects of weather and other environmental modification techniques, US decided to seek agreement with the Soviet Union to explore the possibilities of an international agreement.

Environmental Modification Technique includes any technique for changing – through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes – the dynamics, composition or structure of the earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.

It seems like they have a law against weather manipulation for hostile reasons.

Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

The purpose of the second beast is to convince the world that the first beast did receive power through nature the God of forces and evolved to be spiritual and greater and shared this power with the second beast and will share this power with all who follow the first beast.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

But the Bible calls them lying wonders which will seem so real that even to the saints that are on earth it will seem real but they know it is a lie for it is not possible to deceive the elect.

So it seems like these lying wonders could be done by technology that advanced farther as to cause this to happen by weather manipulation, or like a laser light show.

The Bible says they are lying wonders that seems that it is not really done by the person themselves like a magician's trick which is more advanced today than years ago but with advanced technology on their side with the beast, man of sin, and those that are in league with him at the top level are using to deceive people because they are influenced by the devil.

So the people are not doing anything by the power within themselves but technology.

For the beast will convince the world that he evolved through nature to be greater and spiritual, and that he has the power to control the elements and can use the power of nature against them that oppose him in which the world that follow him will think there is no way they can lose against those who oppose them and their kingdom will prosper for flesh cannot stand against the elements of nature.

But the Bible does not mention that the beast uses the force of nature against them but only arms, weapons built by people will stand on his part for the man of sin, New Age Christ never did evolve to be greater and spiritual, and really cannot use the power of nature in a fight to battle his enemies but it was all a deception.

For the man of sin in controlled by the devil and the human will is gone, and all those that followed him were deceived by a devil and their human will is gone so even though the beast deceived them they are still in league with the beast for it is all the devil's doing among the wicked and they will make war against those that oppose them.

So if the beast really does not have the power of nature on his side neither do those that followed him then the second beast must of done his wonder, and miracles by advanced technology however that is done and did not come from the power of the people themselves for there was no power.

massorite · Feb 18, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

I spent 3 years researching early church events and doctrine and I am assuming you read from the Catholic Bible. However in all other bible version the word used is "He" not "it".
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:13 is talking about a man who is the antichrist. Not an "it" and the Roman Catholic Church's "authentication" of the event is not only unverified or spoken of in the Catholic Bible, it is not verified in any other Bible version. Which tells me that this event has never happened yet and is still yet to be fulfilled in the future.

Nebuchadnezzer · Feb 19, 2020

massorite said:

He, it, what is the difference?
Satan is he. the dragon and his angels are he or they or it. Rev 13 is talking about the beast, which is not a single man.

You assume wrong I read from Catholic Bible. Perhaps I should assume you read from the Book of Mormon.

massorite · Feb 19, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

Oh my that is where your problem is. I have also read and researched the Catholic Bible including the Apocryphal books, As well as studied and researched the Catholic Encyclopedia and I got concerned when I discovered in the Doctrinal section of the Catholic Encyclopedia where it says that Catholic Doctrine states that any one who is not a Catholic is condemned to hell because they are not a Catholic. So according to your version of Christianity I am condemned to hell just because a Non-Catholic even though I am a believer.
Do you know what a Jot or a Tittle is???? Assuming since you read from the Catholic Bible and no other I am going to say that you do not know what a Jot or a Tittle is so here is a bible lesson from outside of the Catholic realm.
A Tittle and a Jot are tiny symbols used in the Hebrew language alphabet and where the Tittle or Jot is place next to a Hebrew symbol dictates the meaning of the particular Hebrew symbol/word .
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one JOT or one TITTLE shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one Tittle of the law to fail.
The smallest Hebrew letter, the letter yod (י) is only the size of an apostrophe. The “tittle” probably refers to the small strokes of a single letter, which distinguish similar-looking letters from one another. Yeshua’s words allude to the careful scribal tradition of Judaism. The scribal tradition considers a Torah scroll with a single defective letter invalid.
According to one old Jewish story, King Solomon tried to change the Torah by editing the text of Deuteronomy. He erased a single letter yod from the scroll in order to change the meaning of one word. By changing that single jot, Solomon cancelled the prohibition on multiplying wives.
My point is that even though a Jot or a Tittle is a very small "strok of a pen" it is so important to the proper interpretation of the Word of God that Christ spoke of used them as an example to tell folks how important it is that the tiniest little thing in scripture is so important that a Jot and a Tittle will be standing even after the heaven and earth are passed away.
So if Christ was so concerned about something as small and seemingly insignificant as a Jot or Tittle we should be equally concerned
as Christ is about whether it is a he or an it in Rev. 13.
I have a Genieva Bible, a KJV, a NKJV and a JP Greens Interlinear Bible which was the first Interlinear bible put together and several other versions of the Bible and they all use the word HE when speaking of the Dragon. "It" means nothing at all, but "He" tells us the "He" is a He which is more and more info than an "it"
When one version of the Bible say one thing and so many more other versions of the Bible say something else. Perhaps you should re-think about the version of the Bible you are studying from because changing the word "He" to the word "it" inhibits a more clear and proper interpretation of the scripture in question, not to mention illegal in the eyes of Christ.
I mean after all Satan is with out question according to scripture a male and not an it, and in the not so for off future HE will not only be a MALE but also a Man. And I can show you scripture to prove that Satan will be in the flesh one day.

Nebuchadnezzer · Feb 20, 2020

massorite said:

What you write is not correct.

A number of translations us "he", and a number of translations use "it" to describe the second beast.
See here: https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-13.htm
I quoted Rev 13:13 using the English Standard Version, but you go on to assume I read from the Catholic Bible.

massorite said:

You then equate my quoting of an accepted translation (The English Standard Version) that uses "it" instead of quoting for example the King James Bible that uses "he", to the doctoring of God's Word.

And then you dig in on falsely accusing me of being a Roman Catholic when in fact I am calling (Middle Ages) Roman Catholicism the 2nd Beast.

Have you even read what I wrote?

Yeah wow, what you write is not to be trusted.

massorite · Feb 20, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

Ok so lets get this straight. You stated in an earlier statement that you did read from the Catholic Bible and here is what you said.
You assume wrong I read from Catholic Bible. Perhaps I should assume you read from the Book of Mormon. However in your statement above you rag me because you think I am assuming you read from the Catholic Bible and Clearly I am not assuming because you stated (which I have copied and pasted) yourself that you read from the Catholic Bible.
Yes I did assume you were a Roman Catholic but only because you stated that you Read From The Catholic Bible and the Catholic Church frowns on the use of any other bible version then there own.
So now that we have gotten that cleared up, I did some research on the English Standard Version and here is the history of the "English Standard Version".

The English Standard Version (ESV) stands in the classic mainstream of English Bible translations over the past half-millennium. The fountainhead of that stream was William Tyndale's New Testament of 1526; marking its course were the King James Version of 1611 (KJV), the English Revised Version of 1885 (RV), the American Standard Version of 1901 (ASV), and the Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 (RSV). In that stream, faithfulness to the text and vigorous pursuit of accuracy were combined with simplicity, beauty, and dignity of expression. Our goal has been to carry forward this legacy for a new century.
To this end each word and phrase in the ESV has been carefully weighed against the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, to ensure the fullest accuracy and clarity and to avoid under-translating or overlooking any nuance of the original text. The words and phrases themselves grow out of the Tyndale-King James legacy, and most recently out of the RSV, with the 1971 RSV text providing the starting point for our work. Archaic language has been brought to current usage and significant corrections have been made in the translation of key texts. But throughout, our goal has been to retain the depth of meaning and enduring language that have made their indelible mark on the English-speaking world and have defined the life and doctrine of the church over the last four centuries.
The ESV is an "essentially literal" translation that seeks as far as possible to capture the precise wording of the original text and the personal style of each Bible writer. It seeks to be transparent to the original text, letting the reader see as directly as possible the structure and meaning of the original.
Unfortunately over time newer bible translation have been distorted and changed so as a believer we have the responsibility protect our mind from false doctrine and teaching. Wth that in mind her is Rev. 13:13 from the William Tyndale's New Testament of 1526.
Rev 13:13 And HE dyd grett wonders so that HE made fyre come doune from heven in the syght of men. Now here is the verse from the English Standard Bible. Rev. 13:13 It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people.
The two different word spellings of these verses is a difference between old English and current English.
But it clearly reveals that when the ESV was created the word "HE" was changed to the word "IT". So even though the authors of the ESV claimed to have been strict about their revision to make sure that the intigrity of the Word of God was maintained, but they did not and if they changed one word how many more words did they translate wrong or changed? I rest my case.
There is a war going on against the Word of God and now even Mayor Pete has published his own version of the bible. Here is the headline, Pete Buttigieg Releases Study Bible With Notes That Explain Why Most Of The Verses Are Wrong. The Gender Neutral Bible, the NIV, the Catholic ESV , the Living Bible and so many more are bad translations that water down, change or mistranslate the word of God to suit what they want to hear verses what is the truth of the Word Of God.
I study mainly from The Companion Bible which is a KJV of 1611 and the NKJV. Are these bibles perfect??? No! Have I found some problems with the KJV? Yes. But over all it is the best translation out there by far out of all of the translations I have researched and most of the changes have a minimal effect on the integrity and translation/interpretation of the Word of God.

Nebuchadnezzer · Feb 20, 2020

massorite said:

So now what are you equating the translators of the ESV with Politician Pete Buttigieg?
It sounds like you are also in the King James Bible Only Camp.

Back to topic.

So whether the 2nd Beast is a "He" or an "It" either way it fits exactly to the Catholic "Pope" or to the Catholic "Institution".

The Catholic Insitution would be an "It", the decrees of the Catholic Institutions like 1st Vatican Council would be "it". And the Catholic Pope would be "He". Both fit!!!

The Catholic Institution "it" takes all its marching orders from the pope "he", which really is the whole succession of pope "he". Have you read the 1st Vatican Council? "It" emphatically states that the Pope "he" (which is whoever sits as pope) is an apostle in succession from Peter. That one must follow him "he" and his decress "it" wholly and completely.

The Catholic Church puts its decrees "it" on equal footing with the writings of Paul and Peter (God's Word). The Catholic Church puts its popes "he" on equal footing to Paul and Peter.

So again whether it is "it" ESV, or whether it is "he" KJB, it both points to Roman Catholic Church.

massorite · Feb 20, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

So now what are you equating the translators of the ESV with Politician Pete Buttigieg?
It sounds like you are also in the King James Bible Only Camp.

Back to topic.

So whether the 2nd Beast is a "He" or an "It" either way it fits exactly to the Catholic "Pope" or to the Catholic "Institution".

The Catholic Insitution would be an "It", the decrees of the Catholic Institutions like 1st Vatican Council would be "it". And the Catholic Pope would be "He". Both fit!!!

The Catholic Institution "it" takes all its marching orders from the pope "he", which really is the whole succession of pope "he". Have you read the 1st Vatican Council? "It" emphatically states that the Pope "he" (which is whoever sits as pope) is an apostle in succession from Peter. That one must follow him "he" and his decress "it" wholly and completely.

The Catholic Church puts its decrees "it" on equal footing with the writings of Paul and Peter (God's Word). The Catholic Church puts its popes "he" on equal footing to Paul and Peter.

So again whether it is "it" ESV, or whether it is "he" KJB, it both points to Roman Catholic Church.

OK.

garee · Feb 20, 2020

Nebuchadnezzer said:

The it or he speaks of the antichrist satan the father of lies. He is the same antichrist that was in the garden of Eden. He works in the mind of antichrists (many) human form . When the faithless Jew denied the father and Son as one . They were exposed as antichrists . Another spirit other than the Spirit of Christ. the spirt of lies .Satan as a spirit of error has no form .

Because the Son of man on earth does not have the authority to rebuke the antichrist. The Lord performed it by putting his word on the mouth of his Son. Jesus said. . Satan get behind me . And not behind Peter he is not the head of the church . Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man .

garee · Feb 20, 2020

The buying and selling has to do with spiritual matters of faith . Not having to do with the political nations of this world as some sort of food sanction. . Proverbs as a parable informs us we are to buy the gospel truth and not sell it as if it had no or little value.

Esau sold his firstborn rights seeing no value in spiritual . . . . . unseen matters for a cup of Campbells soup. . . .the temporal seen. Cain plowed it under the corn field to silence the gospel . as in out of sight out of ease mind the foundation of paganism

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

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