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KennethC

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Willie-T said:
Sometimes it's relative. I had quite a chuckle at someone earlier knocking preachers for having a $100,000 home. When I retired from construction about 6 years ago, I hadn't built a house under $250,000 in ages. Most of them were more than $400,000.
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Well you need to get out around more as there are still houses out there for anywhere fro $50,000 to $100,000, but if not in your area then you are living in a wrong place that is price gouging people. Just because the houses you built were $250,000 or more does not mean that is the average cost of a house.
 
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KennethC said:
Well you need to get out around more as there are still houses out there for anywhere fro $50,000 to $100,000, but if not in your area then you are living in a wrong place that is price gouging people. Just because the houses you built were $250,000 or more does not mean that is the average cost of a house.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but the national average for the USA to build a house is $125 per square foot. Do the math. An average home of 2,500 square feet costs $312,500. (Go look it up on Google. This was my business, I know it well.)

Even a dinky little home of only 1,000 square feet would cost $125,000.
 
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KennethC said:
Well you need to get out around more as there are still houses out there for anywhere fro $50,000 to $100,000, but if not in your area then you are living in a wrong place that is price gouging people. Just because the houses you built were $250,000 or more does not mean that is the average cost of a house.
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GAH! That sounds like a horrible dump! My own poor house, built in 1963 (we bought it in 2000) cost like, $126,000, and the thing is just falling apart. Repairs can be so expensive it's easier just to put them off! KennethC, have you ever actually bought a house? Where in the US are houses averaging betwen 50,000 to 100,000?? Sounds horrible!

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Just a follow up, I Googled "Average cost of houses in Detroit," picking one of the poorest cities in the U.S. I found that houses in Detroit aren't selling, because no one wants to live there!! But in nearby subburbs, average housing costs are in the ballpark of 144,000 to 158,000.
 
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Even my own small home, built in 1954 (Yeah, the Stone Age) was last appraised at $114,000. And this is a very old, used home.
 
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Willie-T said:
Even my own small home, built in 1954 (Yeah, the Stone Age) was last appraised at $114,000. And this is a very old, used home.
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Okay, but on the bright side, Willie-T, at least you can do your own repairs. Hehehe! :cool:
 
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And, BTW........ These costs I quoted are ONLY to build the structure. You STILL have to buy a lot, landscape it, and insure the whole thing. Then, a few years down the line, normal maintenance and upkeep start. (And we have not even considered constant, ongoing UTILITIES.)
 
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And, BTW........ These costs I quoted are ONLY to build the structure. You STILL have to buy a lot, landscape it, and insure the whole thing. Then, a few years down the line, normal maintenance and upkeep start. (And we have not even considered constant, ongoing UTILITIES.)
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And... repairs... *cries*:(:(:(
 
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Jenizona said:
Okay, but on the bright side, Willie-T, at least you can do your own repairs. Hehehe! :cool:
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Oh, that's why I bought this place. I was kind of poor back in those days. Now, I like it so much, I can't imagine moving.
 
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ladylynn

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shotgunner said:
I would have to disagree with that, and I have enjoyed your posts that I have read.

I bet that if we could sit down together and talk about a particular sermon, just maybe you would see it in a different way. I have found that many misunderstand the Prosperity message. I can tell you that God does want to make you wealthy, but as long as your focus is only money, you will never see the blessings of God to prosper you financially. If that's the case, then money is your god, but you don't have to have any money to have money as a god. Some of the poorest people I know are the ones most consumed by the desire for money.
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very much agree with you shotgunner. As long as people's focus is on money, they will not see financial prosperity. Those who have been blessed accept it from the Lord's hand and use it for His work accordingly. Many do not blow a horn about what they do with the money, they just use it as the Lord gives it and it flows in and out of our lives. The secret is to keep it flowing.
 
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ladylynn

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I live in a house that was made back before indoor plumbing was available, and my dad was the one who ran the plumbing in this house as the bathroom was once a closest to one of the bedrooms. The water comes from a well and there is central air or heat ducts in this house. It has a wood burning furnace and a electric wall heater that my dad also installed, in which my dad had to run the electricity in it to.

If God was to bless me with a lot of money I would continue to live in this house and use the majority of that money for helping others. I would not upgrade to a better house as this one is fine, for there is no need to have big expensive things that are worthless and can not be taken with you in heaven. These things will be burned up in the future !!!
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Well, that may be fine for you and you are welcome to stay in the house you prefer. But if another Christian prefers to have a different house for his or her own reasons, that doesn't seem to be ok with you. The problem comes when another person decides to judge someone else for having their own personal preferences. When you begin to judge someone else for what they do with their time and money based on your own opinions.. FOR INSTANCE.....

..... is it really necessary for you to have running water? The poor people don't even have a place to lay their heads and you have a house all your own with running water/electric and worse than that you have central air conditioning!!! Shouldn't you have taken that money for the A/C and the monthly cost in electric and given it to the poor people in your neighborhood before you used it for something as frivolous as a/c ???? Why should you be comfortable when children are dying in other countries as well as in the community? There is no need for such gluttonous living when so many are starving.
No one NEEDS air conditioning to survive. Or running water! Those and other big expensive household items you own will be burned up in the future along with everything else........... How could your father have been so selfish to have installed plumbing and electric? Wasn't he content to have the house the way it was and shouldn't he have been thankful for what he had and not go and want more?!! Did you learn this kind of over the top living from him? What kind of a man was he to have "upgraded" a perfectly fine house? Why wasn't it enough for him and shouldn't he have gone to the poor in the community when he had time instead of getting more for his own house?? shouldn't he have helped the starving widows and the children before he went and upgraded his own house by putting in plumbing and electric???

This is the kind of judging and misjudging that goes on when one person decides enforce their own standards on others and not let God be the judge according to His righteous standards.
 
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Kenneth, I think you have a good heart but you also need to closely examine your thinking on this subject. Didn't Judas likewise criticize when the oil was used to anoint Jesus instead of being sold and given to the poor? What did Jesus say? Why didn't Abraham give all his wealth to poor hungry families? Why didn't Joseph as high magistrate just give grain away, instead of using it to make Pharaoh rich?

Could it possibly be that God prospers because he knows what's in men's hearts, he knows that with great wealth, they will also do great good? A man must look at what he is doing now ,with what he has, to see what he will really do with an abundance.

A man can't say," if God made me that wealthy, I would give the majority of it away", unless he is giving away the majority of what he has now. That man says in his heart," I would give but I need all I have now." I tell you that it is that man who truly is serving mammon, for what is his source, what is his supply, what is his God? That man trusts, and relies on his small supply, to provide for his means. If he truly trusted God as his supply, he could give out of his necessity rather than out of his abundance.
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EXACTLY !!!!!!! "If he truly trusted God as his supply, he could give out of his necessity rather than out of his abundance"
 
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ladylynn

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Willie-T said:
Doesn't exactly sound like that is what he said.

[video=youtube;KwL1DThtxYg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwL1DThtxYg[/video]
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Your a good guy Willie for posting this for people on the forums. Poor Joel is so despised for not saying things the way some others here would have said it., For not living in the houses some people here would have lived in., for not dressing the same way some people here would. etc... etc... etc... what kind of shoes does he wear? what kind of socks? What kind of dishes does his wife have in her kitchen? what kind of tv do they have.... how far can this judging go? :confused:
 
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ladylynn

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Patnubay said:
How do you reconcile the teachings you hear from them to the lifestyle they have when you know that the world needs another Bill Gates to feed the hungry? I surely will benefit from your system.
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God does not ask us to "reconcile" what Joyce Meyers does in her life with what we do in ours as far as our lifestyles go. I have a Lazyboy couch., not sure what Joyce has but neither do I care. Some say a Lazyboy brand couch is too expensive, but for me it was in my price range. I don't need to "reconcile" my Lazyboy with someones Sealy Posturpedic. ;)
 
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ladylynn said:
God does not ask us to "reconcile" what Joyce Meyers does in her life with what we do in ours as far as our lifestyles go. I have a Lazyboy couch., not sure what Joyce has but neither do I care. Some say a Lazyboy brand couch is too expensive, but for me it was in my price range. I don't need to "reconcile" my Lazyboy with someones Sealy Posturpedic. ;)
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That was funny Ladylynn. :D People also associate material possessions and wealth in a self-righteous way, as to think that being poor is pious.

[h=1]Ecclesiastes 5:19King James Version (KJV)[/h]19 Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God.
 
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If you reward yourself in this life, do you expext reward in the next?
Following Christ is NOT a comfortable life. Ask the Apostles. Read about the martyrs.
Read the news for crying out loud.

If you are getting comfortable, remember that we are called to be wandering pilgrims in exile!! Strangers in a land not our own!! If you feel that this is your land, PLEASE RECONSIDER!

Joyce Meyers and TD Jakes are a slap in the face to the True Church, described in 1st Peter.

This is Babylon the whore. Selling out the Scriptures, who is her ex-husband, for the sake of wealth.

The day of reconciliation approaches.
Apostacy is real.

Positive thinking and self-love is not going to get you into heaven.
Thinking Jesus is adorable isn't going to get you into heaven.
Emotional experiences in spiritual places isn't going to get you into heaven.

Jesus is not some app you download into your life to make it better.
Jesus is a brand new operating system.
 
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ladylynn said:
God does not ask us to "reconcile" what Joyce Meyers does in her life with what we do in ours as far as our lifestyles go. I have a Lazyboy couch., not sure what Joyce has but neither do I care. Some say a Lazyboy brand couch is too expensive, but for me it was in my price range. I don't need to "reconcile" my Lazyboy with someones Sealy Posturpedic. ;)
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If you are like Bill Gates who did not get his money from using the word God then you can buy Sealy or Lazyboy anytime you want and nobody will care. But when you start receiving money from believers (public), then you become responsible for these money. Please do not include yourself in the rich and famous pastors if you're not one because you will miss the point. I asked a believer how she reconciles the "pastors' preaching" against pastors' "lifestyle" for her to share with me her approach and you took it as if you are being asked to reconcile "your life" with Joyce Meyer. Is this a joke?

 
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KennethC

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ladylynn said:
Well, that may be fine for you and you are welcome to stay in the house you prefer. But if another Christian prefers to have a different house for his or her own reasons, that doesn't seem to be ok with you. The problem comes when another person decides to judge someone else for having their own personal preferences. When you begin to judge someone else for what they do with their time and money based on your own opinions.. FOR INSTANCE.....

..... is it really necessary for you to have running water? The poor people don't even have a place to lay their heads and you have a house all your own with running water/electric and worse than that you have central air conditioning!!! Shouldn't you have taken that money for the A/C and the monthly cost in electric and given it to the poor people in your neighborhood before you used it for something as frivolous as a/c ???? Why should you be comfortable when children are dying in other countries as well as in the community? There is no need for such gluttonous living when so many are starving.
No one NEEDS air conditioning to survive. Or running water! Those and other big expensive household items you own will be burned up in the future along with everything else........... How could your father have been so selfish to have installed plumbing and electric? Wasn't he content to have the house the way it was and shouldn't he have been thankful for what he had and not go and want more?!! Did you learn this kind of over the top living from him? What kind of a man was he to have "upgraded" a perfectly fine house? Why wasn't it enough for him and shouldn't he have gone to the poor in the community when he had time instead of getting more for his own house?? shouldn't he have helped the starving widows and the children before he went and upgraded his own house by putting in plumbing and electric???

This is the kind of judging and misjudging that goes on when one person decides enforce their own standards on others and not let God be the judge according to His righteous standards.
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ladylynn said:
EXACTLY !!!!!!! "If he truly trusted God as his supply, he could give out of his necessity rather than out of his abundance"
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Once again do you think that Jesus and Paul was lying when they both said and showed how much harder if not impossible for a rich person to get into heaven, that is receive eternal life then others ???


I am not judging nobody just pointing out the wrong doing that they are doing by what the bible says.
That is not being judgmental and you as a few others need to study the difference between judging and reproving/rebuking according to God's word.

There is absolutely no need to have private planes, overly priced houses and cars, and there also is no need to spend that money on bigger more expensive churches. They could easily use that money for better purposes of helping others in need then using it on self.

God does bless some people with wealth, but we know who this is by what they do with that wealth.
If they use it more to edify and help others then on themselves then they are serving God, but if they are using it mainly for self then they are misusing and living a sinful lifestyle.

Luke 12:48
But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

If God gives you much in the way of possessions and wealth, then He requires you to help others more then those who have little. And as we can see with what I mentioned previously about Mark 12:44, Luke 21:3, that determination is not based on the number of people you help but by how much you give to help.

In other words if a person in poverty gives all that they have to help another, but a rich person only gives 10% to help others, then the person in poverty did and gave more according to the Lord.

Personal preferences should never be placed over the way of God !!!
 
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maybe everyone can be inspired to move on with this vid (yes,i know,doctrinally imperfect)


[video=youtube;wF3FX43F-7Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF3FX43F-7Y[/video]
 
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KennethC

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Willie-T said:
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the national average for the USA to build a house is $125 per square foot. Do the math. An average home of 2,500 square feet costs $312,500. (Go look it up on Google. This was my business, I know it well.)

Even a dinky little home of only 1,000 square feet would cost $125,000.
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You are speaking of building a new house, not how much a person can by a house for ???

We do not need to have a whole new house built when there are plenty of empty houses up for sale that range anywhere from what I said $50,000 to $100,000.

There are a lot of houses up for sale in Missouri that are less then $100,000 to buy !!!

I went and looked up back in 2013 prices of houses before I moved to the country to live with my dad to take care of him before he passed away, and there was over 50 houses just in the Kansas City metro area that were being sold for less then $100,000.
 
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ladylynn

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popeye said:
maybe everyone can be inspired to move on with this vid (yes,i know,doctrinally imperfect)


[video=youtube;wF3FX43F-7Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF3FX43F-7Y[/video]
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Wait a minute Popeye., That man is not a thief!! That's Liam Neilson!!!!!!!
 
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