"Rightly Dividing" 2 Timothy 2:15

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throughfaith

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"to this day a veil is still over their hearts whenever Moses is read"

so what would be seen in Moses if the veil was lifted? a different gospel?

what if a veil is over your own heart when you read Luke.

"make straight the way"
And again..lol Who has the veil over them? Again your not rightly dividing . It doesn't refer to gentiles.
Asking ' who ,what, when ,why is ' rightly dividing '
 

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Yes all 66 books are from God . check ✔. That doesn't say ' all scripture is saying exactly the same thing in every verse .
I don't think anyone has ever claimed that it was. You're setting up a strawman.

The wisdom of Solomon. There is a time to every purpose under heaven.
But your idea that Paul was teaching a different gospel is just plain error.
 

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i suspect it's because "divide" is not the best way to describe what we're supposed to do with scripture.
but you keep using it, because, kjv.
Why do folks keep missing out the word before it ? RIGHLTY divide . And in context it should be clear that we don't put our own spin on ' divide ' as if it means something evil .
 

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I don't think anyone has ever claimed that it was. You're setting up a strawman.

The wisdom of Solomon. There is a time to every purpose under heaven.
But your idea that Paul was teaching a different gospel is just plain error.
would you preach luke 9.6 today ? A good news without the death and resurrection?? For our sins ( 1.cor 15 1-4 )
 

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Notice Acts 17 is After luke 9.6
notice Acts 10 is after both of these and it says that all the prophets ((which are all before Luke 9)) give witness to the death burial & resurrection of Christ, which is the mechanism of being justified by faith.

just because you don't know the mechanism doesn't mean it's something different. just because the mechanism of the satisfaction of God's holiness hadn't been particularly revealed doesn't mean that David trusting in God to forgive his sins is a different message than Jesus and then Paul & Peter after Him saying exactly the same thing. David's adultery & murder weren't forgiven through sacrifices. there are no sacrifices for adultery or murder. so why is that in the Bible?
because you're supposed to make a division in it or because you're supposed to recognize it speaking about Christ?
 

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notice Acts 10 is after both of these and it says that all the prophets ((which are all before Luke 9)) give witness to the death burial & resurrection of Christ, which is the mechanism of being justified by faith.

just because you don't know the mechanism doesn't mean it's something different. just because the mechanism of the satisfaction of God's holiness hadn't been particularly revealed doesn't mean that David trusting in God to forgive his sins is a different message than Jesus and then Paul & Peter after Him saying exactly the same thing. David's adultery & murder weren't forgiven through sacrifices. there are no sacrifices for adultery or murder. so why is that in the Bible?
because you're supposed to make a division in it or because you're supposed to recognize it speaking about Christ?
Acts 10 is after Acts 17 ?
 

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would you preach luke 9.6 today ? A good news without the death and resurrection?? For our sins ( 1.cor 15 1-4 )
The death and resurrection for our salvation has been preached since Genesis 3:15
There is a clear demonstration of it in the Passover. The examples are numerous.

25 He said to them, ‘How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?’ 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
(Luke 24)
 

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The death and resurrection for our salvation has been preached since Genesis 3:15
There is a clear demonstration of it in the Passover. The examples are numerous.

25 He said to them, ‘How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?’ 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
(Luke 24)
When is luke 24 ? before or After the death and resurrection?
 

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Why do folks keep missing out the word before it ? RIGHLTY divide . And in context it should be clear that we don't put our own spin on ' divide ' as if it means something evil .
The reality is you are trying to push off a false teaching and you are using your own misunderstanding of Jacobean English as a tool
to do so. You can't build a teaching on one verse no matter which translation it is anyway.

You have demonstrated well the wickedness of KJV ONLYISM.
You want that version only because you wrongly believe it backs up an untruth.
This divided Gospel idea isn't backed by the KJV. It fails on every level.
 

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would you preach luke 9.6 today ? A good news without the death and resurrection??
i am preaching Luke 9:6, to you.

He sent them out to proclaim the kingdom of God and to heal the sick
(Luke 9:2)
that is exactly Leviticus 21:9 and exactly John 3:15 and exactly Romans 10:9.

what do you think, Luke 9:2 is you trading your own goat's temporary life in order to buy for yourself your own eternal one? it's Genesis 22:8 = Luke 2:10-11. it's the good news.

"Emmanu-El" = "Yah-Shuah"

God with us = God is Salvation. these are not different names, they are the same name. there's not a "division" to be made between them but a unifying Spirit and singular message to be apprehended. you're not going to see the witness of Christ in all that was written about Him while you believe He's not there, that He's divided from it. but when you believe your eyes will be opened -- just like Him speaking the same parable to two different men, one who does not have, and one that has. the same parable takes away what even what the man without, has -- and it adds to the man who has. the parable isn't divided against itself. it's not telling two contradictory messages. it's telling exactly one truth, one everlasting gospel, and there is a veil preventing many from ascertaining it.
 

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The reality is you are trying to push off a false teaching and you are using your own misunderstanding of Jacobean English as a tool
to do so. You can't build a teaching on one verse no matter which translation it is anyway.

You have demonstrated well the wickedness of KJV ONLYISM.
You want that version only because you wrongly believe it backs up an untruth.
This divided Gospel idea isn't backed by the KJV. It fails on every level.
i find it interesting that @Nehemiah6 who is also KJV-only-ist does not agree with hyper-dispensationalism. so it's like you say, Lucy, the divided gospel is not a product of KJV but of misunderstanding what the Spirit is saying through Paul in his letter to Timothy. the KJV was around for 200+ years before anyone started preaching multi-gospels.

not a "bad sword" but a misalignment, in terms of the OP :giggle:
 

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i find it interesting that @Nehemiah6 who is also KJV-only-ist does not agree with hyper-dispensationalism. so it's like you say, Lucy, the divided gospel is not a product of KJV but of misunderstanding what the Spirit is saying through Paul in his letter to Timothy. the KJV was around for 200+ years before anyone started preaching multi-gospels.

not a "bad sword" but a misalignment, in terms of the OP :giggle:
Well what about your hyper ism, that I'm going to label you as even though that' s not what you have said .
 

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i find it interesting that @Nehemiah6 who is also KJV-only-ist does not agree with hyper-dispensationalism. so it's like you say, Lucy, the divided gospel is not a product of KJV but of misunderstanding what the Spirit is saying through Paul in his letter to Timothy. the KJV was around for 200+ years before anyone started preaching multi-gospels.

not a "bad sword" but a misalignment, in terms of the OP :giggle:
rev 14

6¶And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7saying with a loud voice if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. " Woah hang on thats not what it says


, Fear God and give glory to him ; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Yes try that message today.. " hey mister " fear God " ...
 

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After. It's Jesus speaking.
He's not chiding them for not understanding the gospel prior to it happening. He's doing so because AFTER the resurrection, now they should realise . Jesus hardly wanted the DBR preaching prior to it taking place in light of 1 cor 2
8Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
 

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i find it interesting that @Nehemiah6 who is also KJV-only-ist does not agree with hyper-dispensationalism. so it's like you say, Lucy, the divided gospel is not a product of KJV but of misunderstanding what the Spirit is saying through Paul in his letter to Timothy. the KJV was around for 200+ years before anyone started preaching multi-gospels.

not a "bad sword" but a misalignment, in terms of the OP :giggle:
Gospel = good news .
Luke 1:19

“And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.”

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Whoa !!! no no that's not what was said.


But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people;

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

No no ! no !!! that's not what was said .
Acts 16
29¶Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?



31¶And they said Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Woah what !! ? no no no

, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.


Acts 2 . 38
37¶Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Nope !!!!

Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 

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A difference to what?
Something that is said before the cross and resurrection or After . Something that is said prior to the giving of the Holy Spirit and after . Something that is said prior to his birth and after . Before the ascension ,after? before the tribulation or after ?
Do you watch a film in reverse . The ending before the beginning ? I'm trying as gentile as I can to point out the obvious here . Why is this frowned upon lol ?
 

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Nice try, if that were true other language translations would not be His word then. Like ones in the different Chinese languages, Russian etc.

I like the king James, but there are now better modern English translations about. The Kjv gets a bad rep from the cranks and nutters who say it is the only true inspired word of God., thankfully they are only a handful of people around the globe... They mainly reside on internet forums ..easy to spot.
Actually, there are probably millions...hopefully. Do you believe that more than one English bible is the inspired word of God? Even though they contain different words and different truths?