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https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/15-6.htm seems even the Apostles and Elders needed to consider the matter and then they made their mind up and not everyone agreed.
in Galatians 4 Paul does something amazing - he says, do you not hear what the Law says? and then tells how the two mothers of Abraham's sons are figures of two covenant, of earthly Jerusalem and heavenly - how the law is the slave woman, but the promise from above is free.
he says, you guys so interested in the law, don't you even know what the law says?
and he calls the account of Abraham & Hagar and Sarah, "the Law"
and he says, we're supposed to read this and see these figures and types in it. we're supposed to be understanding all these things speaking of the Son and His work. these are literally true events and they convey a model of ethics, of right and wrong. but they are also pictures of God redeeming man through the Son giving Himself for us. yes, 'as parables'
don't we know what the law says? ? ?
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That was the law. Period. So lets use this verse as an example.
Leviticus 24:14 New International Version (NIV)
14 “Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.
So this as a command actually means they shouldn't stone the blasphemer?
Again this is why there are divisions or I prefer the word context. As a Christian this verse has nothing to do with me. Of course I can learn that blasphemy is a sin but other than that, this verse directly was not spoken to me.
Leviticus 24:14 New International Version (NIV)
14 “Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.
So this as a command actually means they shouldn't stone the blasphemer?
Again this is why there are divisions or I prefer the word context. As a Christian this verse has nothing to do with me. Of course I can learn that blasphemy is a sin but other than that, this verse directly was not spoken to me.
The law is still Holy because God ordained it. But Christ brought in a new covenant as He fulfilled the old.
Romans 7:4-12 New International Version (NIV)
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
The law still teaches us what is sin in Gods eyes. It still teaches us the moral laws. The ceremonial and judicial laws of the ancient Israelites is no longer applicable. Blasphemy is still bad but we dont need to stone anyone due to God didn't design the Church as a theocracy and the burdens was fulfilled by Christ. It may had been holy but it God found people at fault and in need of something perfect.
Hebrews 8:6-13 New International Version (NIV)
6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Romans 7:4-12 New International Version (NIV)
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.
The law still teaches us what is sin in Gods eyes. It still teaches us the moral laws. The ceremonial and judicial laws of the ancient Israelites is no longer applicable. Blasphemy is still bad but we dont need to stone anyone due to God didn't design the Church as a theocracy and the burdens was fulfilled by Christ. It may had been holy but it God found people at fault and in need of something perfect.
Hebrews 8:6-13 New International Version (NIV)
6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Well of course God did not change . The time of reformation came .It did not change but restored to time period (Judges ) before there was a pagan king foundation in Israel .. "The abomination of desolation".
The shadows, the temporal seen that spoke of the suffering of Christ and the glory that did follow the promise the graves were opened. All the old testament saints, ten of ten thousands that were in a temporal place the Bosom of Abraham (the invisible presence of God who is not a man until the reformation they entered the new Jerusalem signified by the temporal corrupted earthly Jerusalamen . God renamed His new bride previously named her Israel (born again ones) . . . Christian in Acts . a befitting name. Residents of the heavenly city prepared as His bride named after her husband Christ .
The shadow of those laws have been fulfilled. They provided no power before and did not gain power .Death destroys.
I Peter 1 provides us a excellent understanding of the gospel working in us revealing we freely with no work accredited our behalf receive the end of our new faith that comes from hearing his understanding from the very first experience .Our first love we can believe God's witness. Previously having no faith. Not little zero
A great verse for reconciling the old and the new both pointing to the same one time demonstration.
Many say old testament saints did not have the Spirit of Christ in them . Desiring to make that division either between the testaments or at Pentecost. No division it destroys the work of faith. which again we are given freely from the beginning . Jesus will finish it to the end ( Phil 1;6) He is our confidence. . he must increase .
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what "manner of time" the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1 9-11
All of the ceremonial law were used to preach the gospel before hand . Every item used in ceremonies spoke of the sufferings one (Jesus) . They had the same kind of living faith as us today .
In that way we never what is called "rightly divide", people (Flesh) or time periods rather than the word that does the dividing, when the temporal seen is compared to the unseen eternal understanding of the gospel . If we take away the foundation of faith ??? Then what do we build a hope on? The things seen???? no faith?
Psalm 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
Those who are of the number. . (numbering, dividing days and people) are said not to be wise. Walk by faith the unseen eternal. It as it is written reveals the mysteries hid in parables. The hidden manna spoken of in Revelation 2.
The shadows, the temporal seen that spoke of the suffering of Christ and the glory that did follow the promise the graves were opened. All the old testament saints, ten of ten thousands that were in a temporal place the Bosom of Abraham (the invisible presence of God who is not a man until the reformation they entered the new Jerusalem signified by the temporal corrupted earthly Jerusalamen . God renamed His new bride previously named her Israel (born again ones) . . . Christian in Acts . a befitting name. Residents of the heavenly city prepared as His bride named after her husband Christ .
The shadow of those laws have been fulfilled. They provided no power before and did not gain power .Death destroys.
I Peter 1 provides us a excellent understanding of the gospel working in us revealing we freely with no work accredited our behalf receive the end of our new faith that comes from hearing his understanding from the very first experience .Our first love we can believe God's witness. Previously having no faith. Not little zero
A great verse for reconciling the old and the new both pointing to the same one time demonstration.
Many say old testament saints did not have the Spirit of Christ in them . Desiring to make that division either between the testaments or at Pentecost. No division it destroys the work of faith. which again we are given freely from the beginning . Jesus will finish it to the end ( Phil 1;6) He is our confidence. . he must increase .
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what "manner of time" the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1 9-11
All of the ceremonial law were used to preach the gospel before hand . Every item used in ceremonies spoke of the sufferings one (Jesus) . They had the same kind of living faith as us today .
In that way we never what is called "rightly divide", people (Flesh) or time periods rather than the word that does the dividing, when the temporal seen is compared to the unseen eternal understanding of the gospel . If we take away the foundation of faith ??? Then what do we build a hope on? The things seen???? no faith?
Psalm 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
Those who are of the number. . (numbering, dividing days and people) are said not to be wise. Walk by faith the unseen eternal. It as it is written reveals the mysteries hid in parables. The hidden manna spoken of in Revelation 2.
I think it is true that some accept the doctrines of the church over scripture sometimes, but are you saying *everyone* here is? Are you referring to other threads also?
Is anyone saying otherwise?
There were a bunch of Old Testament laws related to being holy, including food laws, hygiene laws and ritual laws, such as circumcision. These helped show that God's people were separate from others (and holy), and many believe these laws were also beneficial physically. But how does the fact that these laws were fulfilled in Christ mean that people think God changed? Abraham is given as an example of someone made righteous by God (through faith) even prior to circumcision (or the law), and Enoch described as someone who walked with God. It has always been salvation by God's grace, through faith. The faith is what makes us try to obey God, whether by what we eat, say or do.
Still not following why you are saying everyone here is not.
Is anyone saying otherwise?
There were a bunch of Old Testament laws related to being holy, including food laws, hygiene laws and ritual laws, such as circumcision. These helped show that God's people were separate from others (and holy), and many believe these laws were also beneficial physically. But how does the fact that these laws were fulfilled in Christ mean that people think God changed? Abraham is given as an example of someone made righteous by God (through faith) even prior to circumcision (or the law), and Enoch described as someone who walked with God. It has always been salvation by God's grace, through faith. The faith is what makes us try to obey God, whether by what we eat, say or do.
Still not following why you are saying everyone here is not.