Rock Music - It Kills - Another good & informative article by Terry Watkins

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Absolutely loved this bro, and it is true. Music can influence people to do the worst of things. And a couple years before i got saved, i was a rap fanatic, swear words, offensive words, never really got into rock n roll, and yes Rap on its own has an evil history. and yes RAP influenced me to swear, to be rebellious, and even want to drop out of school and start a rapping career. got me not focusing on my studies, was day dreaming in church, wrote vulgar lyrics to abuse people. and well in church just loved the songs they sang, and never really was interested in the preaching. i just did what got to me, and rap got to me then. and i wanted to perfect that, pursue that. I was a 50 cent fan, and i mean a FAN.
and yes not all are like me, but there are like me, who have had a past like mine, similar to it, i would like put their lyrics in my head, and sing it off till the end, not from reading their lyrics but listening to what they sing. and part of accent was copied from them. Never contemplated suicide even though never had that close attention to my parents, all they focused on concerning me is "STUDY STUDY STUDY", so i did many things in secret and slowly because of Music i started slipping off, and i did. almost started Drinking like getting deep into, better never liked the taste of alcohol, i took on the look of the artists i saw, you know, the pants sagging, the chain wearing, the big T-shirts wearing with the money sign on it ai.
So yes MUSIC can influence and change peoples characters, even on the smallest scale, i believe many people are the way they are one way or the other because of the music they listen to. whether they believe it or not. they pick up these phrases and beliefs from the music they listen.
and i would not be quick to judge terry watkins because he had a big point here, and thank GOD for the evidence He shown.

Now on a biblical perspective, if the music you listen to DOES NOT stirr up in us to Worship the Lord, to bring us closer to HIM, to Love HIM, to Praise HIM, to bring out the very fruits of the Holy Ghost as per Galt 5:22-23, but rather brings us closer to lust, yes lust of eyes, flesh and PRIDE OF LIFE (when i studied these three i was amazed at how much i was chained to this), then that music is worth listening to.

and what i have learnt is that, there are musicians that can sing about something that is true, but does it stirrr you to live that truth? does it stirr you pray about that truth? does it stirr you preach that truth? or do you just rock your head, and say ahhh i was entertained, that was fun and wooohooo i am gone, and then after that?

i for instance listen to only Gospel, and i thank GOD for the gift of discernment on who to listen to, and the POWER behind such music is LIFE CHANGING, FAITH INCREASING, AND GIFT STIRRING.

Consider this, if the Songs from GOD give life, bringing us nigh to GOD, then the opposite is true.


Thank you JESUS for that revelation..!!..

God bless you all

and what you LOVE you will always defend, just make sure what YOU LOVE is WHAT GOD agrees with.
 
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If the Holy Spirit has convicted you of such things, great, but he hasn't convicted everyone in this area. Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with just enjoying some music. It can just be fun. But that shouldn't be the focus and it shouldn't be a worldly understanding of fun.
 
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What makes you think they are taken out of context Sarah? What I am giving you is information on this issue.

I mean we are dealing with Science here. Rock & Roll music exalts the flesh. It leads people to sin.

I am telling you the whole CCM Movement is of the Lord. If this "Christian" rock music is okay, then why did it show up just within the last few decades?


Another thing to consider is this: the main argument that a lot of the CCMers use to justify the whole "Christian" rock or rap music, is that they will say: "we need to reach the youth. We need to reach the young people."

Let me ask you Sarah, where do you ever find in the Bible where the apostles were using Music as as a tool for evangelism?

The whole mantra of "using the world's music to win the lost" is NOT Biblical at all.
What was the context in which those were taken from? That's how the media gets their sound bites.

You mean the same science that believes in evolution,brought us the atom bomb,DES,thalidomide,etc etc? All I said on that study was that it was flawed to begin with. Was the test given before and after? Was the test done in a school in Hollywood,San Diego,or the Watts area of Los Angeles? Did they have an earthquake that day? Wildfires? Which groups did they use? Did they play nothing but Black Sabbath and those type of groups to skew the results? Etc etc. All I am saying with this is the tests is flawed.

UMMM Did we always have a piano,organ,pedal steel guitars? Did bluegrass,Negro Gospel,Southern gospel always exist or are they fairly new also?

Didn't Paul say this in 1 Corinthians?

19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

In this Paul is not saying we can go and sin. But he implies he uses was ever means to reach the lost. So does it disallow using music as a means to win the lost?
 
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Your welcome.

Well let me ask you though Sarah, does it line up though with the Scriptures?

A good question to always ask yourself is this: Is what they are preaching line up with the Scriptures?


Also, Biblical Separation is important. And that is hardly preached these days. Probably two of the least taught Bible doctrines in these last days are most likely the following:

The Bible Doctrine of Hell

And

The Bible Doctrine of Separation from the world
That is way I DON'T listen to all the so called CCM Christian groups. Not all are Christian. Many have just taken the label of Christian but they never speak,of Holiness,righteousness,putting to death the old man etc. Many of them make Jesus out to be LESS then who He is. IE Jesus is my boy friend,Jesus is my home boy. etc etc. It goes back to discernment.

We can't put in 10 hours of garbage a day and expect to not to get garbage out.

Paul exhorts us to do this

Philippians 4

4 Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! 5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. 6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 7And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.

You're most likely right about those two doctrines.

All I am trying to say with this Chosen is for you also to be careful that you may be painting ALL of it with very broad paintbrush and if they are of the Lord you may find yourself fighting against God. Discernment is where we have to start.
 

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The Lord and HOly SPirit will help people through alcahol addiction by ramming home they are not to drink booze ever again. But of course, for most of us, having a glass of wine or pint of beer is not an issue or a problem for Jesus or Holy Spirit.

If people are being told to stay away from types of music, its not a blanket ban for rest of us.
 

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If a song has heavy guitar and sounds like rock, but it lifts up Jesus , it is Christian. Saying that it is not of God is just silly. Whoever believes that hard rock Christian music is not really Christian is a little eaten up with legalism.
ReformedJason,

it is utter blasphemy to bring Satan's music (rock & roll) into the churches and to try to worship God with that kind of pagan music that is based on the flesh.
 

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What was the context in which those were taken from? That's how the media gets their sound bites.

Sarah, the context was rock & roll. It is pretty simple to understand that. And by the way; a lot of those quotes were taken from secular artists who are admitting that their music (rock & roll) is all about sex and fornication. And about Satan worship. I mean they are outright telling you what rock & roll is, and you think that the Lord would use such music? No, He does not, and He never has.

If I could sum up the whole CCM movement and "Christian" rock, "Christian" rap, and "Christian" reggae movement, I would sum it up as this: it is unscriptural and worldly compromise. That's exactly what it is.



You mean the same science that believes in evolution,brought us the atom bomb,DES,thalidomide,etc etc? All I said on that study was that it was flawed to begin with. Was the test given before and after? Was the test done in a school in Hollywood,San Diego,or the Watts area of Los Angeles? Did they have an earthquake that day? Wildfires? Which groups did they use? Did they play nothing but Black Sabbath and those type of groups to skew the results? Etc etc. All I am saying with this is the tests is flawed.

Well check and find out, look further into the study yourself. And here is the thing too, real science or I should say true science does not back up Evolution. True Science backs up the Bible.

What is being called "science" in the Ivy league universities today is simply an atheistic agenda to try to disprove the existence of God, because these atheists don't want to answer for their rotten life. That's all that is Sarah. Real Science is observable, testable, demonstrable. And it has been proven that music that is based on a heavy drum beat and heavy rhythm arouses people's flesh. That's why they rock music at football games, or during the television commercials, why? Because it allures the flesh, it appeals to your flesh. I mean it is right there Sarah. It is funny how honest the lost world is as opposed to modern professing Christians. Especially in regard to the "Christian" rock music issue.

Oh and another thing though Sarah, here is a 2 verses in the Authorized King James Version that perfectly describes all the false science that is out there today:

20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. - 1 Timothy 6:20-21 (Holy Bible)

And that portion of Scripture is also good to refute those people who like to claim that the King James Bible is not up to date. Wow, those people sure have been deceived. The King James Bible is up to date.

And it is interesting also how the new versions remove Science in 1 Tim. 6:20 and replace it with Knowledge. And if you check them, you'll see just about all of the new versions replace Science with Knowledge in that verse.



UMMM Did we always have a piano,organ,pedal steel guitars? Did bluegrass,Negro Gospel,Southern gospel always exist or are they fairly new also?

Didn't Paul say this in 1 Corinthians?

19 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

In this Paul is not saying we can go and sin. But he implies he uses was ever means to reach the lost. So does it disallow using music as a means to win the lost?

Sarah, where do you ever find anyone in the Scriptures using music as an evangelistic tool?


Last time I checked it is the Gospel that is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes. Not music. Or the world's style of music.

But it is the Gospel.

And I think that you are misunderstanding what Paul was saying in that passage.


19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you. - 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (Holy Bible)

Paul said he is made all things to all men. Paul is not making himself all things, but the wording which Paul uses, clearly shows that he is made all things to all men.


 

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Oh and another thing though Sarah, here is a 2 verses in the Authorized King James Version that perfectly describes all the false science that is out there today:

20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen. - 1 Timothy 6:20-21 (Holy Bible)

And that portion of Scripture is also good to refute those people who like to claim that the King James Bible is not up to date. Wow, those people sure have been deceived. The King James Bible is up to date.

And it is interesting also how the new versions remove Science in 1 Tim. 6:20 and replace it with Knowledge. And if you check them, you'll see just about all of the new versions replace Science with Knowledge in that verse.



So science is not Knowledge? Did the translators of the 1611 have special word given to them which did not appear in the earlier versions? To claim the King James is "up to date" beacuse of this verse is another example of your cults flawed logic. Surely all previous versions of this must also be "uptodate" as well, so to claim the King James is somehow special because of this is a joke.
 
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Just because you say so , does not make it so. What makes it satans music? Heavy beats? Loud guitar? If you are convicted to not listen to heavy music maybe it is grounded in something else. Yes there are satanic rock people , but so are there in country, blues, rap. Ect. Just because it is heavy does not make it satanic. The message does.
 
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Sarah, the context was rock & roll. It is pretty simple to understand that. And by the way; a lot of those quotes were taken from secular artists who are admitting that their music (rock & roll) is all about sex and fornication. And about Satan worship. I mean they are outright telling you what rock & roll is, and you think that the Lord would use such music? No, He does not, and He never has.

Chosen,

They are telling you what THEY USED IT FOR.



If I could sum up the whole CCM movement and "Christian" rock, "Christian" rap, and "Christian" reggae movement, I would sum it up as this: it is unscriptural and worldly compromise. That's exactly what it is.

People can find and do evil with anything. Some people will look for evil in everything they see.



Well check and find out, look further into the study yourself. And here is the thing too, real science or I should say true science does not back up Evolution. True Science backs up the Bible.


Why? The man who was using the study should be the one to lay out the entire test. Most people when they use tests like that and leave out the PARAMETERS of the test often have their own agenda. They love the results,no doubt about because it "proves" their point. They like leaving out what the test actually was because people will see the flaws in the test itself.



What is being called "science" in the Ivy league universities today is simply an atheistic agenda to try to disprove the existence of God, because these atheists don't want to answer for their rotten life. That's all that is Sarah. Real Science is observable, testable, demonstrable. And it has been proven that music that is based on a heavy drum beat and heavy rhythm arouses people's flesh. That's why they rock music at football games, or during the television commercials, why? Because it allures the flesh, it appeals to your flesh. I mean it is right there Sarah. It is funny how honest the lost world is as opposed to modern professing Christians. Especially in regard to the "Christian" rock music issue.




Do you mean to tell me the 1812 Overture,The Hungarian Rhapsody,Beethoven's 9th don't appeal to the flesh in some way and form? Didn't almost all of the Loony Tunes cartoons use CLASSICAL MUSIC? How about the older Disney flicks?
Do you understand that all music plays to the emotions,doesn't matter whether it's classical,country,or whatever genre?
When did God ever change His mind that if it's not from Him it's worldly and carnal NO MATTER THE FORM IT TAKES.
Since when did we ever get to the point that NON CHRISTIAN CLASSICAL COMPOSERS somehow wrote BETTER and more spiritual music just because it's classical?



Sarah, where do you ever find anyone in the Scriptures using music as an evangelistic tool?


Last time I checked it is the Gospel that is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes. Not music. Or the world's style of music.

But it is the Gospel.

And I think that you are misunderstanding what Paul was saying in that passage.


19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you. - 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (Holy Bible)

Paul said he is made all things to all men. Paul is not making himself all things, but the wording which Paul uses, clearly shows that he is made all things to all men.




Didn't David use the Psalms to point to the coming Messiah or am I mistaken about that? And where did the Bible say they didn't? You're trying to make a doctrine on something the Bible doesn't say one or the other. Didn't the Christians of Paul's day come together,sing spiritual songs? How do you know that some weren't reached by the music? Can you say one way the other?



 

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So science is not Knowledge? Did the translators of the 1611 have special word given to them which did not appear in the earlier versions? To claim the King James is "up to date" beacuse of this verse is another example of your cults flawed logic. Surely all previous versions of this must also be "uptodate" as well, so to claim the King James is somehow special because of this is a joke.
The King James Bible is very up to date. Go read 1 Timothy 4 and 2 Timothy 3 sometimes and that should show you.

Also, the King James is right on with the rendering Science falsely so called.

Last time I checked, the lie of evolution doesn't go under the "knowledge" label. It goes under the label of "Science." So just another example of how the wicked modern Vatican versions are wrong.

Stick with the good old King James Bible. Because It is always right.
 

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The King James Bible is very up to date. Go read 1 Timothy 4 and 2 Timothy 3 sometimes and that should show you.

Also, the King James is right on with the rendering Science falsely so called.

Last time I checked, the lie of evolution doesn't go under the "knowledge" label. It goes under the label of "Science." So just another example of how the wicked modern Vatican versions are wrong.

Stick with the good old King James Bible. Because It is always right.
Always right?
you really have been brainwashed by this cult.

Yet again you avoid the direct question and just go off on a tangent. I am not talking about Modern versions now, I asked, what about the versions which came before 1611, they will also say the same thing as the King James, so dosn't that make them equally right and uptodate?

But wait, you will say that for 1300 years God has let people go without a proper version of his word,, yes sure He has... NOT.
 

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Absolutely loved this bro, and it is true. Music can influence people to do the worst of things. And a couple years before i got saved, i was a rap fanatic, swear words, offensive words, never really got into rock n roll, and yes Rap on its own has an evil history. and yes RAP influenced me to swear, to be rebellious, and even want to drop out of school and start a rapping career. got me not focusing on my studies, was day dreaming in church, wrote vulgar lyrics to abuse people. and well in church just loved the songs they sang, and never really was interested in the preaching. i just did what got to me, and rap got to me then. and i wanted to perfect that, pursue that. I was a 50 cent fan, and i mean a FAN.
and yes not all are like me, but there are like me, who have had a past like mine, similar to it, i would like put their lyrics in my head, and sing it off till the end, not from reading their lyrics but listening to what they sing. and part of accent was copied from them. Never contemplated suicide even though never had that close attention to my parents, all they focused on concerning me is "STUDY STUDY STUDY", so i did many things in secret and slowly because of Music i started slipping off, and i did. almost started Drinking like getting deep into, better never liked the taste of alcohol, i took on the look of the artists i saw, you know, the pants sagging, the chain wearing, the big T-shirts wearing with the money sign on it ai.
So yes MUSIC can influence and change peoples characters, even on the smallest scale, i believe many people are the way they are one way or the other because of the music they listen to. whether they believe it or not. they pick up these phrases and beliefs from the music they listen.
and i would not be quick to judge terry watkins because he had a big point here, and thank GOD for the evidence He shown.

Now on a biblical perspective, if the music you listen to DOES NOT stirr up in us to Worship the Lord, to bring us closer to HIM, to Love HIM, to Praise HIM, to bring out the very fruits of the Holy Ghost as per Galt 5:22-23, but rather brings us closer to lust, yes lust of eyes, flesh and PRIDE OF LIFE (when i studied these three i was amazed at how much i was chained to this), then that music is worth listening to.

and what i have learnt is that, there are musicians that can sing about something that is true, but does it stirrr you to live that truth? does it stirr you pray about that truth? does it stirr you preach that truth? or do you just rock your head, and say ahhh i was entertained, that was fun and wooohooo i am gone, and then after that?

i for instance listen to only Gospel, and i thank GOD for the gift of discernment on who to listen to, and the POWER behind such music is LIFE CHANGING, FAITH INCREASING, AND GIFT STIRRING.

Consider this, if the Songs from GOD give life, bringing us nigh to GOD, then the opposite is true.


Thank you JESUS for that revelation..!!..

God bless you all

and what you LOVE you will always defend, just make sure what YOU LOVE is WHAT GOD agrees with.
I hear ya m-a1096, I used to be heavily into the Reggae music and and calypso style of music. So there was never too much cussing or offensive words per say, but still the music is worldly and Reggae has a heavy influence of the false religion of Rastafarianism and of course the promoting of smoking marijuana, and pot. And I had gotten a little into rock & roll in my high school years. Some of the bands I had listened to were weezer and winger, I also went through a time in my life where I got into Techno and Trance, so in the past, I have listened to a wide range of different styles of music. I even had gotten into the electronica style of music when I listened to Vangelis. Although some do consider him new age, but he is known for the musical score he did for Chariots of Fire.

So I can relate with those a little who also used to listen to the world's various forms of music. But a little after I had studied the Bible Version Issue, then the Lord opened my eyes to the Rock Music Issue, also known as the CCM Movement. And the more I studied it, the more I became convinced that the CCM movement is not of the Lord. Just like "Christian" rock or "Christian" rap, or "Christian" reggae, or "Christian" techno or any other modern day type of spin of worldly music that this CCM movement would like to label it.

There is a lot of good information out there exposing the worldliness and the compromise of the CCM Movement. Good video sermons out there as well on this important subject.

And yes, we are living in a time where Christians need to exercise more discernment. Just because someone says they are a Christian band or group, doesn't mean they are. If you go to a lot of these modern "Christian" rock concerts, do they even do an alter call? That's a good thing to consider.

And will most people reject the truth that has been shared in the original post? Most likely, as the majority of the people have never accepted the truth. I know I have said this before; but it sure bears repeating.

Truth has always been a very small movement and it always will be. And it will never be popular.

Jesus solemnly declared:

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. - Matthew 7:13-14 (Holy Bible)
 
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Well, music is the language of the soul.
Rock music can be powerful in that it can literally shake the spirit.
It all depends on the spirit behind it.
Satan isn't stupid.
Here's some lyrics from a song called "Heaven and Hell"

"Sing me a song, you're a singer;
do me a wrong, you're a bringer of evil;
the devil is never a maker,
the less that you give, you're a taker;
And it goes on and on and on;
Heaven and Hell."

The hard force of the music and the virtuosity of the voice stamp this song on the spirits of some young people. - (there is a power behind it)
 
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And yes, we are living in a time where Christians need to exercise more discernment. Just because someone says they are a Christian band or group, doesn't mean they are. If you go to a lot of these modern "Christian" rock concerts, do they even do an alter call? That's a good thing to consider.

UMM Where is an altar call Biblical? Can you show me one place where Jesus or the disciples ever did one?
 
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once i listened to a rock station and heard this song that
made me rob a bagal store....yes i stole every last bagal.
Since then ill never listen to rock again.
 
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once i listened to a rock station and heard this song that
made me rob a bagal store....yes i stole every last bagal.
Since then ill never listen to rock again.
Wouldn't it have been easier to just pay for the bagels?

St Augustine's Pears - Petra


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Always right?
you really have been brainwashed by this cult.

Yet again you avoid the direct question and just go off on a tangent. I am not talking about Modern versions now, I asked, what about the versions which came before 1611, they will also say the same thing as the King James, so dosn't that make them equally right and uptodate?

But wait, you will say that for 1300 years God has let people go without a proper version of his word,, yes sure He has... NOT.

Yes Agricola, God's word is always right. ALWAYS.

What tangent? I am just telling you the truth. The modern bible perversions are nothing more than Vatican versions that have been wrapped in a protestant label. Did you know that we are in the Dark Ages all over again? It is the dark ages with 200+ conflicting bible versions that all say something different. And now we have protestant popes behind most of the pulpits in American who are lying hypocrites. Why are they hypocrites? Because they hold up their Bible behind the pulpit and exclaim "open your Bible and let's get into the word of God this morning" when these preachers in their heart really believe that the Bible is filled with errors. Well if the Bible is filled with errors, then how is it the word of God?

See the problem? The "educated" preachers and pastors who went to their little seminary and got their education in the "Original Greek" now can have control over the laity. Think about it.

Now, to answer your question, I believe the English Bibles that preceded the King James Bible were pure Bibles, they were not perfect, but they were pure. Since they were translated from the right Greek text. And yeah, if the Geneva Bible also had Science falsely so called just like the King James Bible has it, then sure it is also up to date. And so is the Bishops Bible, if it has it as well. I am aware though that probably not a lot of people do any lengthy studies into the early reformation English Bibles, but it is interesting to learn about the History of the English Bible. I just checked 1 Timothy 6:20 in the Geneva Bible 1599 and it has the same reading that the Authorized King James has. Therefore, the Geneva Bible also is up to date. Science so falsely called is the correct reading. Evolution falls under the category of Science. Not Knowledge.

I have heard that the Geneva Bible was an incredible Bible during its time.
 
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once i listened to a rock station and heard this song that
made me rob a bagal store....yes i stole every last bagal.
Since then ill never listen to rock again.
Mate, you must really love bagels!
 

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UMM Where is an altar call Biblical? Can you show me one place where Jesus or the disciples ever did one?
Okay, you got a point there Sarah.

But let me ask you this, do they at least present the Gospel at these so called "Christian" concerts?