Sabbath made for Man

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I see great value in setting aside all the appointed times of Lev chapter 23 as times that God desires to meet with His people. I believe that these times should be set aside for prayer and worship. I believe that observing these times or anything else under compulsion of law is worthless! I view the appointed times in the same way that I viewed dates with my wife while she was still my fiance.

When you truly love someone, you want to be with that person. The appointed times are times at which God has requested those who love Him to meet with Him. He does not want us to come reluctantly.
it is True :) So if you love someone with all of your heart then you will do whatever which he/she loves to please that one without any doubt?
 

MarcR

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The first century church historically until the fourth century met in the synagogues on the sabbath and house to house on the first day of the week.

There is absolutely no basis to criticize Sunday worship.

I attend a traditional church that meets on Sunday. We have a Friday night Bible study and many of us pray together on Saturday morning, and on the appointed times. Many of our families observe Passover and unleavened bread; and we build a 'Sukkah' and many of our families camp out together during tabernacles. None of us do so under compulsion ; and those who do not participate are not treated differently than those who do.
 

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have you notice that no one criticised sunday`s worship but lot of people are criticised Sabbath. Why? How many know that the word Sabbath means holiday also? Lets imagine you are invited by the President of USA in the White house for dinner on Monday. Will you call him and tell him you gonna there at Sunday? Would you imagine that? So the choice is ours. And where is the love? Where is the respect? Where is the wisdom? Where is the action which shows that our belief is not dead? Or the Jacob has mistaken? Is your wife would believe you are loving her if you are gonna celebrate friends birthday instead hers one?
 

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11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the deathRev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. View more

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. View more
 

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1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
 
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You are correct in saying that the sabbath rest was made for man. I never heard anyone complain that they get to take a break from working. But there are two kinds of work, and two kinds of rest- physical and spiritual.

Jesus spoke in parables so that we can compare physical meanings to spiritual meanings, for a better understanding of spiritual matters. For example, He told Peter (the fisherman) to follow Him, and He would make him a fisher of men. Now if you take this literally (physically instead of spiritually) that would mean that Jesus would instruct Peter to cast a fishing pole toward humans, snag them with a hook, and pull them in. It is clear here that Jesus was speaking in the spiritual sense, and not in the physical sense.


The things that were done physically in the Old Testament are done spiritually in the New Testament. For example, David fought many physical battles for the Lord. Yet in Ephesians 6 the bible says our battles are no longer against flesh and blood, but are spiritual battles. Our armor is also a spiritual armor. (I could give many more examples, but I'm trying to make this as short as I can, if you want them just ask me).


The Old Testament Sabbath day is no exception. It was done physically in the Old Testament. You were forbidden to physically work on a physical day. But now there is a new sabbath rest for God’s people. When Jesus said, “Come to Me all you who are heavy laden and I will give you rest.” He didn't mean that if you go to Him He will take a heavy backpack off your back, or that He would have you quit physically working that day. He meant it in a spiritual sense. That He would take away your burden of sin (if you obey Him).


The physical sabbath day was only a shadow of the real thing- we will rest in heaven with God for all eternity. And we rest even now by casting all our anxieties and sins on Him. You know how Moses lead the people in the desert for forty years, and the disobedient died in the desert, so they did not enter Canaan? Physical Canaan represents spiritual heaven. If you read Hebrews 3:16 thru Hebrews 4:11. You will see that the disobedient did not enter God’s rest.


If you see how things were done physically in the Old Testament, but are now done spiritually in the New Testament, you'll see that they were just a shadow of the real thing. The real thing is the spiritual thing (Colossians 2:17). We are no longer under the physical sabbath, the physical lamb sacrifice, the physical high priest sacrificing animal blood for our sins.


These physical rituals did not save us (Hebrews 10:4), yet you are still trying to keep them alive even though we now have perfection- the real thing. What saved God’s people was obeying God until Christ’s sacrifice to pay for their sins. Then His blood flowed back to those in the past who obeyed God under the physical covenant, and to those in the present and in the future who were under the spiritual covenant. Jesus was sacrificed once for all who would obey Him. (Romans 6:10).








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I don't know if you know these hymn lyrics, but if you do, can't you see how the physical only represented the spiritual? Much like a globe is not the real earth, it only represents the real earth…


To Canaan’s land I'm on my way (are we physically going to Canaan like they did in the Old Testament?) where the soul never dies (if we were physically going to physical Canaan, would we never die there?).


Oh land of rest for Thee I sigh, when will the moment come? When I shall lay my armor by and dwell in peace at Home (heaven) (this is the new sabbath rest). We’ll work till Jesus comes, we’ll work till Jesus comes, we’ll work till Jesus comes, then we’ll be gathered Home (to rest forever).
 

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1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
 
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1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Correct, and God no longer wants us to listen to the law or the prophets (Moses or Elijah) but only to the commands of His Son. (Matthew 17:3-5 ). His Son in turn gave His commands to the apostles and ordered them to teach them to us (New Testament) (Matthew 28:18, 19). Just as it is wrong for a wife to have two husbands, it is wrong for God's people to be under Moses and Jesus at the same time. (Romans 71-4). We are no longer under the Old Testament, including the sabbath day or a high priest sacrificing animal blood because of our sin (Hebrews 10:4).
 
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MarcR

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have you notice that no one criticised sunday`s worship but lot of people are criticised Sabbath. Why? How many know that the word Sabbath means holiday also? Lets imagine you are invited by the President of USA in the White house for dinner on Monday. Will you call him and tell him you gonna there at Sunday? Would you imagine that? So the choice is ours. And where is the love? Where is the respect? Where is the wisdom? Where is the action which shows that our belief is not dead? Or the Jacob has mistaken? Is your wife would believe you are loving her if you are gonna celebrate friends birthday instead hers one?
No as a matter of fact I have seen little or no criticism of Sabbath observance. I have seen what IMO is well deserved criticism of trying to impose your own convictions on others, whether or not Sabbath observance is involved!
 
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I have been reading along and was thinking about rest prior to the Law. I don't think salvation comes before resting and trusting God love and provision for us.Scripture says that " they that come to God must believe that he is and exists, and he is the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him" What does this mean? I think it means we have to have a confidence that God will provide what we hope for. Therefor we can Rest with him in that, whatever we are looking to him for that is according to his will." HE that has entered into rest has ceased from his own works as God did from his". Heb 4:3.....Although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.Paul is talking about ability to enter into Rest, God's works that he finished and rested from on the seventh day. He made and set things in motion, able to last till the end.
Abel was in God's rest , he was taken care of by God, and not until Eve's lusts were entice to leave the rest of God and step out on her own, was the fruit of our own works manifest.
[/QUOTE/ I meant to say Adam here instead of Abel.
 

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Correct, and God no longer wants us to listen to the law or the prophets (Moses or Elijah) but only to the commands of His Son. (Matthew 17:3-5 ). His Son in turn gave His commands to the apostles and ordered them to teach them to us (New Testament) (Matthew 28:18, 19). Just as it is wrong for a wife to have two husbands, it is wrong for God's people to be under Moses and Jesus at the same time. (Romans 71-4). We are no longer under the Old Testament, including the sabbath day or a high priest sacrificing animal blood because of our sin (Hebrews 10:4).
Sin is the core that is to be abolished but you cannot do away with the commandments of God for now they are directed at the messiah
 

Apostol2013

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Correct, and God no longer wants us to listen to the law or the prophets (Moses or Elijah) but only to the commands of His Son. (Matthew 17:3-5 ). His Son in turn gave His commands to the apostles and ordered them to teach them to us (New Testament) (Matthew 28:18, 19). Just as it is wrong for a wife to have two husbands, it is wrong for God's people to be under Moses and Jesus at the same time. (Romans 71-4). We are no longer under the Old Testament, including the sabbath day or a high priest sacrificing animal blood because of our sin (Hebrews 10:4).
Sin is the core that is to be abolished but you cannot do away with the commandments of God for now they are directed at the messiah
 

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No as a matter of fact I have seen little or no criticism of Sabbath observance. I have seen what IMO is well deserved criticism of trying to impose your own convictions on others, whether or not Sabbath observance is involved!
trying to impose your own? It seems we misunderstood each other - I only meant HIS commandment which He Has Written with His Own finger ... sorry if you decided it is someone else opinion.
ex 31:18. And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
 
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have you notice that no one criticised sunday`s worship but lot of people are criticised Sabbath. Why? How many know that the word Sabbath means holiday also? Lets imagine you are invited by the President of USA in the White house for dinner on Monday. Will you call him and tell him you gonna there at Sunday? Would you imagine that? So the choice is ours. And where is the love? Where is the respect? Where is the wisdom? Where is the action which shows that our belief is not dead? Or the Jacob has mistaken? Is your wife would believe you are loving her if you are gonna celebrate friends birthday instead hers one?
Sabbath does not mean holiday. It means rest. Not the same thing. If the president asked me to choose a day when I will go to his house for dinner, I will choose the day. Paul made clear that we could choose the day on which we would honour the LORD. Are you saying Paul was not issuing God' invitation? God knows that around the world there is no fixed 24 hour Sabbath. Man fixes it by where he puts the date line. Thus God is happy whichever day we choose to honour Him, as long as we do honour Him.
 

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trying to impose your own? It seems we misunderstood each other - I only meant HIS commandment which He Has Written with His Own finger ... sorry if you decided it is someone else opinion.
ex 31:18. And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
But what He did NOT give was a means by which the Sabbath day could be fixed anywhere else in the world. Why? Because it was not important to Him.

Israel as a whole did not observe the Sabbath until Exodus 16. That is quite clear from reading the narrative.

Jesus Christ gave details of all the commandments He wanted obeyed. He did not include the commandment concerning the Sabbath. RATHER He relaxed what rules there were.

None of the Apostles enjoined the Sabbath on Gentile Christians. not even JAMES.

What we do know is that early Christians met to partake of the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week (Acts 20.7) whilst the silence about the Sabbath is deafening. The only thing that Paul said about it was that we must not judge others concerning it..
 
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But what He did NOT give was a means by which the Sabbath day could be fixed anywhere else in the world. Why? Because it was not important to Him.

Israel as a whole did not observe the Sabbath until Exodus 16. That is quite clear from reading the narrative.

Jesus Christ gave details of all the commandments He wanted obeyed. He did not include the commandment concerning the Sabbath. RATHER He relaxed what rules there were.

None of the Apostles enjoined the Sabbath on Gentile Christians. not even JAMES.

What we do know is that early Christians met to partake of the Lord's Supper on the first day of the week (Acts 20.7) whilst the silence about the Sabbath is deafening. The only thing that Paul said about it was that we must not judge others concerning it..
combating/ exposing the rcc heresy is a good thing, everywhere and anywhere , because it is deadly and heinous.
that's one of your good points.

but some of the information you post here and there isn't accurate. i don't know or care why at this point, but might try to find out later, yahweh willing, if you co-operate.

i.e. just a "heads up" for you or for readers. I won't even think of addressing grnpa or rbs - they are way way too far out there..... although, if yahweh says to, OKAY ! (all is up to yahweh)
 
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7th day is a Great Gift, does the body good, i know the flesh can use it. Mine can for sure. Who likes working Saturday any how? If the boss requires it from me, then i look at it as a donkey in the ditch. i was asked to work tomorrow, i said no, that God gave us 10 commandments and i do my best to follow them. Now if they tell me i have to i will. Some people have to work Saturday out there, but i believe if one wants to honor Sabbath, God can make it happen. i work 10's, so if they need me friday its overtime. One Sabbath i've worked, but they needed me. every time they ask, i tell them the same thing. All Glory to the Almighty.