Sabbath made for Man

[secularhermit]

So what you would suggest we have to do with that part of the Bible where Jeshua has said:Mat 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."?

May I add this?:

Mat 5:29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is better for you that one of your members be lost, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

 

[secularhermit]

I like the light everywhere -incl in the communication ... so must admit I am surprised of your impressing approach ))))))
By the way do not you think that in the crowd someone may miss a message?

Hmmm!

1) My approach?

2) A message? (from me? or for me?)


¡Ay, Dios!

I would "blame" google translate. Ha! Ha!

 

[BS]

May I add this?:

Mat 5:29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is better for you that one of your members be lost, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

Thanks - appreciated

 

[secularhermit]

Q.Matt 5:17-19 states the following: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.Doesn’t this imply that Sabbathkeeping is required?

A.Sabbathkeepers often use these verses as an assertion that Christians need to keep the Sabbath.

The context of the Scripture talks about far more than the Sabbath.The term “Law and Prophets” refers to the entire teaching of the Old Covenant and the prophets.The commands of the Old Covenant include about 615 commandments.

The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and the nation of Israel (Ex. 31:12-17).The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant (Ex. 31:18, 34:28; Deut. 4:13, 9:9, 11).The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for anyone (2 Cor. 3:4-18, Gal. 3:17-25, Heb. 8:13-9:4).The Sabbath, therefore, is not in effect for anyone (Gal. 4:10, Rom. 14:5-6, Col. 2:16-17).Christians are under the New Covenant, which has higher demands and different commandments (Luke 22:20, Heb. 9:15; Jn. 13:34, 15:12, 17; Rom 13:10).The chief of those commandments is to love others as Christ loved us (Jn.13:34).

Assume the Old Covenant applies today (which it does not).In order to be consistent, the person who asserts these verses require Sabbathkeeping must also keep the rest of the Old Covenant, or he is using them disingenuously.He is not free to pick and choose which ones apply today.

Christ came to fulfill everything that the Old Testament said about him, including his death on behalf of those who place their faith in him as predicted in Isaiah 53.He came to live a perfect life of obedience to the Old Covenant on our behalf.As God, he was able to be sinless and to fulfill the entire law.If a person accepts Christ’s sacrifice in faith, his sins are placed on Christ, and the merits of his perfect life are given to the believer (2 Cor 5:21).That is how our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees…we receive the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ.

What about this?:

Mar 10:21 Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, "One thing you lack: Go, sell all that you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me."

 

[Apostol2013]

The sabbath day is entered as an establishment to all mankind . the sabbath observed during the time of Israel s very harsh because of Israels failure to observe what their father's had taught them also this was done so even in the time of Adambut now because of the grace of our Lord the sacrificial system has been done away with because our Lord and entered as a sacrifice to atone us once and for allthe commandments still stand but the levitical priesthood and sacrifices are done away with along with all the harshities but as I saith the commanents stand as as heaven and earth stand

 

[sparkman]

What about this?:

Mar 10:21 Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, "One thing you lack: Go, sell all that you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me."

I don't understand the question. Are you asking what it means? He was telling him to follow him; to join him as a disciple.

 

[sparkman]

The sabbath day is entered as an establishment to all mankind . the sabbath observed during the time of Israel s very harsh because of Israels failure to observe what their father's had taught them also this was done so even in the time of Adambut now because of the grace of our Lord the sacrificial system has been done away with because our Lord and entered as a sacrifice to atone us once and for allthe commandments still stand but the levitical priesthood and sacrifices are done away with along with all the harshities but as I saith the commanents stand as as heaven and earth stand

Quote Scripture. Make your points. This is somewhat incoherent.

 

[BS]

"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

Let God bless you all!

If the law is not applicable -then I want no one to remind me to give to someone 10% !

 

[secularhermit]

"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

Let God bless you all!

If the law is not applicable -then I want no one to remind me to give to someone 10% !

May I remind to write the number of the verses?

It was Pete on 2Pe_3:16

 

[weakness]

I have been reading along and was thinking about rest prior to the Law. I don't think salvation comes before resting and trusting God love and provision for us.Scripture says that " they that come to God must believe that he is and exists, and he is the rewarder of them that diligently seek Him" What does this mean? I think it means we have to have a confidence that God will provide what we hope for. Therefor we can Rest with him in that, whatever we are looking to him for that is according to his will." HE that has entered into rest has ceased from his own works as God did from his". Heb 4:3.....Although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.Paul is talking about ability to enter into Rest, God's works that he finished and rested from on the seventh day. He made and set things in motion, able to last till the end. Abel was in God's rest , he was taken care of by God, and not until Eve's lusts were entice to leave the rest of God and step out on her own, was the fruit of our own works manifest.

 

[weakness]

"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

Let God bless you all!

If the law is not applicable -then I want no one to remind me to give to someone 10% ![/QUOTE/ Jesus wants us to exceed the righteousness of the scribes and give all we have to him, also fulfilling the law.

 

[sparkman]

The sabbath day is entered as an establishment to all mankind . the sabbath observed during the time of Israel s very harsh because of Israels failure to observe what their father's had taught them also this was done so even in the time of Adambut now because of the grace of our Lord the sacrificial system has been done away with because our Lord and entered as a sacrifice to atone us once and for allthe commandments still stand but the levitical priesthood and sacrifices are done away with along with all the harshities but as I saith the commanents stand as as heaven and earth stand

Question
Does Mark 2:27 mean that the Sabbath is required for all men?

Answer
Mark 2:27 states the following:
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

This verse is often quoted by Sabbathkeepers to assert that the Sabbath is a requirement for all men, including Israelites and Gentiles.

However, the context of the verse needs to be considered, as well as the purpose and wording of Jesus’ remarks.

Mark 2:23-37 records the context.Jesus and the disciples were walking through a field and eating some grain along the way.The Pharisees criticized them for doing this, as their interpretation of the Sabbath defined this activity as harvesting, which wasn’t allowed on the Sabbath.

Jesus gave some examples from Scripture that refuted their claims that his disciples were breaking the Sabbath.

Jesus’ reply was that the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.So, the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath (v. 27-28).He was the creator of the Sabbath, so he knew its purpose firsthand, and he had no issue with the disciples’ behavior on the Sabbath.

His answer focused on the purpose of the Sabbath, not the specific people the command was given to.The Sabbath was given to the nation of Israel through the Old Covenant., Since the Israelites were given the entire Old Covenant, and the Sabbath is part of the Old Covenant, and Israelites were men, there is no problem with his statement, and neither is there a logical necessity to consider that all men received the Sabbath commandment.

If he had said that the Sabbathcommandment was given to ALL MEN, then perhaps Sabbathkeepers would have a valid argument that all men are required to observe the Sabbath. However, this wording is not used.

 

[prove-all]

God never changed. His laws did. Galatians 3 is clear in that regard. The Old Covenant was only in effect until Christ's coming. To equate God with the Ten Commandments is blasphemous. God is total holiness and cannot be reduced to a list of rules.

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men,
as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God,
that ye may keep your own tradition.

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

 

[sparkman]

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men,
as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God,
that ye may keep your own tradition


15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Sabbathkeeping is your tradition. That is why you are offended when you see logical arguments against it.

 

[prove-all]

I am offended when someone calls unholy what God calls Holy.


as Paul and Jesus custom was, and the oracles of God proclaim,


the Sabbath is in gen through rev., all flesh will do it his ways soon.

 

[BS]

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Rev 3:13. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

[prove-all]

God never changed. His laws did. Galatians 3 is clear in that regard. .

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


Rom7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.​

 

[MarcR]

I see great value in setting aside all the appointed times of Lev chapter 23 as times that God desires to meet with His people. I believe that these times should be set aside for prayer and worship. I believe that observing these times or anything else under compulsion of law is worthless! I view the appointed times in the same way that I viewed dates with my wife while she was still my fiance.

When you truly love someone, you want to be with that person. The appointed times are times at which God has requested those who love Him to meet with Him. He does not want us to come reluctantly.

 

[prove-all]

Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass,
that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations,

even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying,
We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.​

 

[prove-all]

12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you,

having great wrath, because he knoweth that [he hath but a short time].

13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth,
he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.