Sabbath sarcasm to illustrate a point and have fun at the same time. :)

prove-all · Oct 3, 2016

The Sabbath where given for a sign.

Not only is the weekly Sabbath God’s sign (Exodus 31:12-17)
but annual sabbaths are signs as well!

Ezekiel 20:20 (KJV)
And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you,
that ye may know that I am the Lord your God.

Exodus 13:9 (KJV)
And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial
between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth:
for with a strong hand hath the Lord brought thee out of Egypt.

Exodus 13:16 (KJV)
And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes:
for by strength of hand the Lord brought us forth out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 6:8 (KJV)
And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be
as frontlets between thine eyes.

a memorial picturing deliverance from sin, in our right hand and forehead,
as God’s sign, in order that we shall keep His commandments. And since
the forehead is the seat of the intellect, and symbolizes acceptance, and the
right hand symbolizes work, we have this sign of God there by
accepting this truth about the holy days and Days of Unleavened Bread,
and by not working on these holy days!

that ye may know that I am the Lord your God.

prove-all · Oct 3, 2016

gotime said:

this is false, there is nothing in the bible that says the Lords day is sunday.

matter of Fact, there is not one verse from gen. to rev. that changes the Sabbath to sunday.

you are still following in the sins of Jeroboam, that changed the sabbaths

prove-all · Oct 3, 2016

we know what the sign or mark of God was the sabbaths.

now what about the counterfiet mark of the devil?
this is no sarcasm but a very serious matter.

The Number of the ‘Beast’—666—Whose Number Is It?
Here are all the scriptures speaking directly of this number:

“And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast,or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six”
(Revelation 13:17-18).

“And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten
the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the
number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God”
(Revelation 15:2).

Note From these scriptures, we have the following definite points:

1. The beast has a number and may be identified, if we have wisdom,
by this number.

2. The number is 666.

3. We are told to count this number—that is, add it up. The same Greek word
is used elsewhere only in Luke 14:28: Count the cost.

4. This number, 666, is the number of the beast. The only Bible interpretation
of this symbol, “beast,” is a kingdom or the king who rules it and, therefore,
really is the kingdom (Daniel 7:17-18, 22-24, 27).

Therefore 666 must be the number of the kingdom, or government, or empire,
as well as that of the king who founds or rules it.

5. The expression “the name of the beast, or the number of his name” makes plain
that the number 666 is the number of the name of the kingdom or empire.

6. The expression “it is the number of a man” shows we must also count this number
in the name of the king, or ruler, over the kingdom identified as the “beast.”

The Beast Is Not the Woman [a church]

In the 17th chapter of Revelation we find a beast, and a woman—a great, wealthy
but fallen woman—who was riding the beast. The Bible describes the symbol “woman”
to mean a church (see 2?Corinthians 11:2; Revelation 19:7; Ephesians 5:22-27).

The beast of Revelation 13 is not the woman who rode the beast
—the beast is the government, and the woman is a church.

The beast of Revelation 13 is the Roman Empire!

This beast had a deadly wound (Revelation 13:3). That means the beast ceased altogether
to exist or function as it had since 31 b.c. Yet its deadly wound was later healed, after which
(verse 5) it continued to exist another 1,260 years!

The Founder of Rome

The founder and first king of Rome was Romulus.
The Roman Empire was named after him.
His name, the name of a man, also is the name of the kingdom.
And every citizen in the kingdom bears the same name—a Roman.

When John wrote this Revelation, telling us to count the number of the beast,
he wrote in the Greek language. Consequently, we should look for this name,
and the number 666, in this language recognized in the Bible, not in the Latin.

We are all familiar with the Roman numerals, where letters are used for numbers.
All understand that I is 1, v is 5, x is 10, etc. But many do not know that the Greek
language, in which the book of Revelation was written, also uses letters for numbers.

In the Greek this name was understood in the second century a.d. to have originally
been spelled Lateinos. It signifies “Latin man” or “the name of Latium,”
from which region the Romans derived their origin and their language.

This word, too, signifies “Roman.” In the Greek, l is 30, a is 1, t is 300, e is 5,
I is 10, n is 50, o is 70, s is 200. Count these figures. They count to exactly 666!

It is indeed no coincidence that the name of the kingdom, its founder and first king,
and of each man in the kingdom, counts to exactly 666!

Certainly the beast stands identified!

Revelation 18:4 (KJV)

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people,
that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

prove-all · Oct 3, 2016

A warning-about entering into His rest.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering
into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

-how did they came short?

Heb 4:2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us,
even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them,
because it was not united by (faith) with them that heard.

-they did not have faith.

Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter into that rest;even as
he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest:
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise,
And God rested on the seventh day from all his works;

-notice entering into that rest is connected with the seventh day.

Heb 4:5 and in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest.
Heb 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto,
and they to whom the good tidings were before preached
failed to enter in because of disobedience,

-God said they will not enter His rest, but they failed because of [disobedience].
about the 7th day Sabbath command.

Heb 4:7 he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David
so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before),
To-day if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts.

Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken
afterward of another day.

-David said "today" long after Joshua took them into the promised land
so thus proving that there is a rest still to be entered.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works,
as God did from his. Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest,

that no man fall after the same example of [disobedience].

-A rest remains, but notice the issue is do not disobey.

Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holy of holies;
Heb 9:4 having a golden altar of incense, and the ark of the covenant overlaid
round about with gold, wherein was a golden pot holding the manna,
and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

-the pot of manna was put in the most Holy

Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which Jehovah thy God hath led thee
these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble thee, to prove thee, to know
what was in thy heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not.
Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna,
which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know

that man doth not live by bread only, but by everything that proceedeth
out of the mouth of Jehovah doth man live.

-God tested them for 40 years to humble them to see what was in their hearts.
that they should live by every word (10 commandments spoken by Gods own mouth)
not by bread alone.

-what did the bread teach?

Exo 16:4 Then said Jehovah unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you;
and the people shall go out and gather a day's portion every day, that I may prove them,
whether they will walk in my law, or not.

Exo 16:5 And it shall come to pass on the sixth day, that they shall prepare that which
they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.

-and how long did God prove them with the manna?

Exo 16:32 And Moses said, This is the thing which Jehovah hath commanded, Let
an omerful of it be kept throughout your generations, that they may see the bread
wherewith I fed you in the wilderness, when I brought you forth from the land of Egypt.

Exo 16:33 And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a pot, and put an omerful of manna therein,
and lay it up before Jehovah, to be kept throughout your generations.

As Jehovah commanded Moses, so Aaron laid it up before the Testimony, to be kept.
And the children of Israel did eat the manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited;
they did eat the manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.

-40 years. this is the issue being spoken of in Hebrews:

Heb 3:16 For who, when they heard, did provoke? nay, did not all they
that came out of Egypt by Moses?

Heb 3:17 And with whom was he displeased forty years?
was it not with them that sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest,
but to them that were disobedient?
Heb 3:19 And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:4-10 "For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise,
And God did rest the seventh day from all his works [Gen. 2:2-3].

[And in this place again],

If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth
that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in
because of unbelief [sound familiar?]: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David,
To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest [see below] to the people of God. For he that is entered
into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."

rest (G4520) sabbatismos
1. a keeping sabbath
2. the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by
the true worshippers of God and true Christians
from a derivative of G4521

(G4521) sabbaton
1. the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites
were required to abstain from all work
1a. the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week
1b. a single sabbath, sabbath day
2. seven days, a week
of Hebrew origin H7676

(H7676) shabba^th
1. Sabbath
1a. sabbath
1b. day of atonement
1c. sabbath year
1d. week
1e. produce (in sabbath year)
intensive from H7673

(7673) sha^bath
1. to cease, desist, rest
1a. (Qal)
1a-1. to cease
1a-2. to rest, desist (from labour)
1b. (Niphal) to cease
1c. (Hiphil)
1c-1. to cause to cease, put an end to
1c-2. to exterminate, destroy
1c-3. to cause to desist from
1c-4. to remove
1c-5. to cause to fail
2. (Qal) to keep or observe the sabbath
a primitive root

Genesis 2:2-3 "And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made;
and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God
blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from
all his work which God created and made."

The LORD created the seventh day (Sabbath), blessed and sanctified it
"because that in it he had rested from all his work".

-once God has blessed something, can it be undone?

Numbers 23:19-20 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall
he not make it good? Behold, I have received commandment to bless:

and he hath blessed; and [I cannot reverse it]."

-Here Balaam tells Balak that the LORD gave him a commandment to bless Israel.
He told Balak that what the LORD has blessed, he cannot reverse it.
Do we think we can reverse the blessing the LORD has placed on something?

1 Chronicles 17:26-27 "And now, LORD, thou art God, and hast promised this goodness
unto thy servant: Now therefore let it please thee to bless the house of thy servant, that it may
be before thee for ever: for thou blessest, O LORD, and it shall be blessed for ever."

disciplemike · Oct 4, 2016

gotime said:

I can appreciate your point of view here. But I assure you it is not laughing at God. It rather is pointing out in a different way the shortcomings of those who argue against the Sabbath. The examples I have used are really just over emphasised actual examples of the logic often used to disprove the Sabbath. But in that sarcastic method there is a revelation of truth.

I know it will not be for everyone. And that is ok, I tend to simply ignore and not read posts I don't like the style of.

I did hum and har before putting this up, as I knew it would be misunderstood by some. But I hope to illustrate in a bit more of a light hearted way that there needs to be more depth in peoples rebuttals.

It is so easy to quote Paul saying we are not under the law. But in doing so people are often putting their own concepts into what Paul is saying. Rather than actually exploring context and understanding the issues Paul was facing.

Its easy to say the Lords day is Sunday but there is no evidence in scripture for this anywhere yet people take it for granted.

They suggest Sunday was the Sabbath of the early church but when one goes to find evidence of this in scripture, it is nowhere to be found. Thus they grab hold of texts that simply state they met together and put there already assumed ideas into the text.

This thread in a light hearted way is exposing this reality.

oh, ok. I was judging the title too quickly. it makes more sense now that I read this post.
sorry about that. carry on.

gotime · Oct 4, 2016

prove-all said:

Either I have missed your point here, or you have missed mine. The post is sarcastic using flawed and unbiblical arguments to take away the Sabbath. The point is to demonstrate the obserdity of the arguments given against the Sabbath the Jesus made and blessed and made Holy.

prove-all · Oct 4, 2016

gotime said:

I must have missed your point in the first post,
it was the last thing i read and commented on last night.

I did not read down to post 20 where you explained it better,
I was reading the first post when I got to [boooya Gotcha law keepers]

It kinda triggered a responce, like a knee jerk reaction.
for that I am sorry. the sabbath sarcasm title did not help.

I am not very good with remembering names and faces,
now that I have had my first cup of coffee down me,

I reconise your name and now remember that you do
love our Lord and everything that He has made Holy.

so sorry again for saying you follow the sins of Jeroboam.

Grandpa · Oct 4, 2016

gotime said:

Keep a day in faith? That must have been more sarcasm.

The bible has already told you that your work at the law is not faith. We don't rest on saturdays by faith. Only the carnal mind thinks that is what the law is telling them. And tries to do it.

If you were to just try to keep another day, as you imply, such as sunday, that would be the same as trying to keep the day you already do. You would be attempting to mix the law with faith. Still.

The sabbath isn't sunday. Its not saturday either. The sabbath is rest. And there is only One Place to get it. Its not by your strength or your will or your understanding or your work at the law. It is spiritual and it is given by the Lord Jesus Christ.

The bible tells you that working at the law was a shadow of what was to come. But you don't believe that. The bible tells you that something drastic has happened since Christ. But you don't really believe that either.

Why don't you believe? Is it because you don't quite believe the Lord Jesus has done what He said He would do?

Matthew 5:17 [FONT=&quot]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

If the Lord Jesus has told the truth and He did fulfill the law then all those who are still working at it are saying what? He didn't do a good enough job? He didn't fulfill all of it just some portions?

Or are they simply saying that they don't quite believe...? There's a solution for that.

Mark 9:24 [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.[/FONT]

Grace777x70 · Oct 4, 2016

Grandpa said:

Keep a day in faith? That must have been more sarcasm.

The bible has already told you that your work at the law is not faith. We don't rest on saturdays by faith. Only the carnal mind thinks that is what the law is telling them. And tries to do it.

If you were to just try to keep another day, as you imply, such as sunday, that would be the same as trying to keep the day you already do. You would be attempting to mix the law with faith. Still.

The sabbath isn't sunday. Its not saturday either. The sabbath is rest. And there is only One Place to get it. Its not by your strength or your will or your understanding or your work at the law. It is spiritual and it is given by the Lord Jesus Christ.

The bible tells you that working at the law was a shadow of what was to come. But you don't believe that. The bible tells you that something drastic has happened since Christ. But you don't really believe that either.

Why don't you believe? Is it because you don't quite believe the Lord Jesus has done what He said He would do?

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

If the Lord Jesus has told the truth and He did fulfill the law then all those who are still working at it are saying what? He didn't do a good enough job? He didn't fulfill all of it just some portions?

Or are they simply saying that they don't quite believe...? There's a solution for that.

Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Amen..well said Grandpa- Jesus is our real Sabbath rest. Since the very start of creation God has been showing Christ in all things which includes the truth behind the Sabbath.

KohenMatt · Oct 4, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

I have a sneaky suspicion that we won't be saying a single thing. We'll just be face down in front of His majesty. At that time, we will know everything we need to know, and we'll forget everything we were wrong in.

gotime · Oct 4, 2016

Grandpa said:

Keep a day in faith? That must have been more sarcasm.

The bible has already told you that your work at the law is not faith. We don't rest on saturdays by faith. Only the carnal mind thinks that is what the law is telling them. And tries to do it.

Yes because everyone knows that you can not possible keep the Sabbath and have faith. Like Paul said, The carnal mind loves the law as stated here:

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Because those of us who are spiritually enlightened can clearly see that God never blessed an actual day or set and actual day apart. As is clear here:

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Im with you mate, how could anyone actually think that God is here blessing a day. what, as if.

If you were to just try to keep another day, as you imply, such as sunday, that would be the same as trying to keep the day you already do. You would be attempting to mix the law with faith. Still.

And that is what all law keepers do, they are trying to keep the day and mix it with faith. It is not possible that they could be keeping it simply because the God they have faith in and trust made a special day set apart for them as a gift. They could not possible and simply be recognising the work of God at the beginning. Because everyone knows that to recognise the work of God is sin and faithlessness.

The sabbath isn't sunday. Its not saturday either. The sabbath is rest. And there is only One Place to get it. Its not by your strength or your will or your understanding or your work at the law. It is spiritual and it is given by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes amen, The Sabbath is just rest and that is in Jesus. I would offer a text but there are none so I will just say amen to what you said. Cause it sounds good even though neither of us can prove it. But we will hold to it without flinching cause we know we are right even though there are no scriptures to back us up on this point. But that is because we are more spiritual enlightened than those who use the bible for their point of view.

The bible tells you that working at the law was a shadow of what was to come. But you don't believe that. The bible tells you that something drastic has happened since Christ. But you don't really believe that either.

Agreed, That is why I kill now and steal cause that was just a shadow of things to come. Nah just kidding. We both know that while we constantly say things like you have above. WE are only referring to the Sabbath. When we say Law is done away with we really mean Sabbath. Even though it says that no where. WE accept the law on things like stealing and murder but when the Sabbath comes then the law is just a shadow that we don't need to keep anymore. makes sense, not like these law keepers who keep some parts of the law and not others. So inconsistent.

Why don't you believe? Is it because you don't quite believe the Lord Jesus has done what He said He would do?

Hey wait up, I agree with you, keep the Sabbath means Don't keep it. Blessed a DAY and set a part a DAY means nothing its just rest.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

If the Lord Jesus has told the truth and He did fulfill the law then all those who are still working at it are saying what? He didn't do a good enough job? He didn't fulfill all of it just some portions?

Now this is gold, how do they argue against such sound reading and logic? Haw can they not see that fulfil means done away with? Of course we know that it was all fulfilled at the cross when Jesus said "it is finished" and we know that it is finished actually means "I have fulfilled everything now". I mean yea I know that the law talked about the second coming of Christ and the judgement and heaven and eternity etc which are yet to be fulfilled but in saying that and this is only for the spiritually enlightened. We know its all fulfilled on the cross.

But we should not let them read the next verse:

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Cause we know the heavens and the earth did not pass away at the cross. But because we are more spiritually enlightened than law keepers we know it does not mean what it says. That is why we should not quote that verse so the less spiritually minded ones do not get confused. Good work bro.

Or are they simply saying that they don't quite believe...? There's a solution for that.

Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

Just a note to law keepers, Jesus is our rest and that means we don't have to keep Sabbath anymore. Now granted we don't have any scripture that says that. But trust us we know.

But there are scriptures that say rest like this one:

Mat_11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

see Jesus said rest in relation to coming to Him. can't you see how that text says don't keep the Sabbath? Of course you can't cause your just reading what it says. But trust me it does mean no more Sabbath keeping.

I would not quote it if it did not mean what I use it for.

See that is why God gave the Jews the Sabbath to show them that they could not keep it. even though according to us there was no Sabbath before this even though it said in the commandment that its reason and origin came at the creation of the world. But again that only applies if you simply read what it says and don't add your own views to it. That is why we suggest you stop reading your bible and just read the texts we give and trust our imputed meanings.

gotime · Oct 4, 2016

Any way guys , you have all been very good sports. I won't continue this thread anymore.

It in a round about way has opened my eyes to somethings. A change of perspective can do that. So now I will continue on a project that is largely spawned by this thread.

Thanx guys blessings.

Grandpa · Oct 5, 2016

gotime said:

What does the word Sabbath mean? It means rest, right?

So now you think it is better that you work at your understanding of what you think the law tells you to do rather than go to the Lord Jesus Christ and receive rest.

In fact, you mock the fact that the Lord Jesus gives us rest. You mock the fact that the Lord Jesus is our Rest.

That's pretty strange for a christian to mock the work of Christ.

But you keep trying to convince yourself and others that your work at the law isn't really work but its faith. It seems like a silly thing to do since you contradict Galatians.

Galatians 3:11-12
[FONT=&quot]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

No man is justified by the Law in the sight of God. Except for SDA's who keep what they think is the sabbath. Oh, wait, there aren't any exceptions in that passage are there? Maybe its in the NIV or ESV??? Does the SDA use its own version of the bible like some other religions do, like Mormons and Jehovahs Witness??

They are a shadow of things to come but the body is Christ. Oh. They were never the real thing. They just kind of pointed towards the real thing. Which is Christ. That's really cool. Except for all the people who are still trying to worship the shadow instead of Christ.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Not really. That must just be silliness. We all know that we must work at our understanding of what we think the law says. Especially that 7th day. Because it is part of the law.

Thank God for Jesus, right? Because people didn't do too well in their "obedience" to the OT law. But the Lord came and changed everything.

Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Do you still insist that it is better to follow religions interpretation of a broken covenant rather than the Lord Jesus Christ?

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Whoa! Rest? Isn't that what sabbath means? How can we be given sabbath when we are supposed to be working at what our understanding of what we think sabbath is???

Let's hedge our bets and do both. We'll say that we believe in Christ and then we'll also work at our own interpretation of the law. That should make God happy. We believe in Christ and we work at the law. Double win.

No. I'm afraid not. We can only come to Christ and receive the Rest that He gives by faith. And a double minded man receives nothing from the Lord. Meaning you have to be all in or you are all out. You have to have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His Work or you have faith in your own. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

You know what's a bummer for people who would rather work at the law than receive rest from Christ? They can't see that what they worship is just a shadow. It was the kindergarten class that was to lead them to high school. But they refuse to leave kindergarten. They even argue with the algebra students that they are doing their math wrong... Poor kids. How do you tell them that their understanding is just 10yrs or so behind? Here's how.

2 Corinthians 3:14-16
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

But you're stuck. How can you come to the Lord and have this vail taken away when you are so sure that you must be working at the Law?

Well you can't. You can't do it. It will take a miracle. You must come to Christ as a child. Not thinking that you know anything.

Or maybe He will have mercy on you when you try to come to Him and He will lead you in your prayers asking for Wisdom and Revelation in the Knowledge of Christ.

[/FONT]

disciplemike · Oct 6, 2016

I am still looking for that verse.
"if you restesth in my rest, then thou doesn't have to observeth My Father's commandment about the real 7th day Sabbath".

it ain't there.

Grace777x70 · Oct 6, 2016

2 Corinthians 3:6-16 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant,not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

[SUP]7 [/SUP] But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was,

[SUP]8 [/SUP] how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

[SUP]9 [/SUP] For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory.

[SUP]10 [/SUP] For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

[SUP]12 [/SUP] Therefore having such a hope, we use great boldness in our speech,

[SUP]13 [/SUP] and are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face so that the sons of Israel would not look intently at the end of what was fading away.

[SUP]14 [/SUP] But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart;

[SUP]16 [/SUP] but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

The Law of Moses is called by the Lord Jesus Christ through Paul = the ministry of death and condemnation.

Notice the contrast between the two covenants - one is death and condemnation ( law ) - the Spirit one is righteousness. ( Christ Himself = new covenant ) 1 Cor. 3:9

The law of Moses is good and holy but it is like an x-ray machine that exposes sicknesses. The Law has no power within itself to heal.

Once it has done it's job which is to lead us to Christ Himself - then we come to Christ and we have died to the Law, been released from the Law and are not under the Law anymore. It doesn't get much plainer than that.

If we don't understand that - it means that our minds are still hardened to Christ as 1 Cor. 3:14 shows.

Going back to the Law of Moses for life and living after coming to Christ is the Judaizers deception as Paul shows in Galatians. This going back to the Law for life and living is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord. We live by His life in us now. He can be trusted.

Grandpa · Oct 6, 2016

disciplemike said:

Hebrews 4:10 [FONT=&quot]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

[/FONT]Colossians 2:16-17
[FONT=&quot]16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Galatians 3:23-25
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[FONT=&quot]23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Hebrews 7:15-16
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[FONT=&quot]15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

If we have come to Christ and received rest then we have ceased from our own work of righteousness in the law. How can we who are at rest continue to work at and observe the law that we are dead to?

Only those who have not entered His Rest still work at and observe the law. They think the commandment is still meant to be a carnal one fulfilled by their carnal understanding and strength. There is a better way. Its explained over and over in the New Testament.

Romans 9:30-33
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[FONT=&quot]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Galatians 5:22-23
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[FONT=&quot]22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Not even observance of sabbath or eating clean and unclean meats?????????? How bizarre.[/FONT]
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