Sabbatarians press the expression, "not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law" as a proof text that the Sabbath is in force today. Problem is, this expression, as Jesus used it, included the whole Law of Moses including animal sacrifices. If "jot or tittle" is still in force today, the we must have both the Sabbath and animal sacrifices! Logic has never been a strong point with the judaizers.
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Dear Bogadile,
Nice to see you. How are you my friend? It is interesting you say what you say. The "unbeliever" is the one that does not believe God's Word. Those that did not believe God in the Old Testament receive the same fate as those that do not believe God's Word in the New Testament. That is why God's Word says, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. If we choose to reject God's Word and replace it with the teachings of man it is God's Word that will judge you in the last days.
God bless you
Nice to see you. How are you my friend? It is interesting you say what you say. The "unbeliever" is the one that does not believe God's Word. Those that did not believe God in the Old Testament receive the same fate as those that do not believe God's Word in the New Testament. That is why God's Word says, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. If we choose to reject God's Word and replace it with the teachings of man it is God's Word that will judge you in the last days.
God bless you
If a person knows that some of the law has been fulfilled and they are therefore not under the part that has been fulfilled, then they just need a fuller understanding of who Christ is and what He has done to realize that He has fulfilled ALL of the law. And therefore they are not under any of it.
You definitely don't encourage someone in their faith in Christ by telling them to follow their understanding of the law.
The sad part is that the law is supposed to bring a person to Christ. The Judaizers have it backwards thinking that Christ brings a person to the law.
You definitely don't encourage someone in their faith in Christ by telling them to follow their understanding of the law.
The sad part is that the law is supposed to bring a person to Christ. The Judaizers have it backwards thinking that Christ brings a person to the law.
Dear Bogadile,
Nice to see you. How are you my friend? It is interesting you say what you say. The "unbeliever" is the one that does not believe God's Word. Those that did not believe God in the Old Testament receive the same fate as those that do not believe God's Word in the New Testament. That is why God's Word says, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. If we choose to reject God's Word and replace it with the teachings of man it is God's Word that will judge you in the last days.
God bless you
Nice to see you. How are you my friend? It is interesting you say what you say. The "unbeliever" is the one that does not believe God's Word. Those that did not believe God in the Old Testament receive the same fate as those that do not believe God's Word in the New Testament. That is why God's Word says, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. If we choose to reject God's Word and replace it with the teachings of man it is God's Word that will judge you in the last days.
God bless you
If you want to follow the law of Moses, I suggest you move to Jerusalem and appear there during the feast days, or you are sinning and violate the law. It gets difficult being that there is no physical temple anymore, but rather we are the temple of God, welcome to the new covenant, feel free to join us.
See how logic has never been a strong point with the judaizers?
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Dear Bogadile,
Nice to see you. How are you my friend? It is interesting you say what you say. The "unbeliever" is the one that does not believe God's Word. Those that did not believe God in the Old Testament receive the same fate as those that do not believe God's Word in the New Testament. That is why God's Word says, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. If we choose to reject God's Word and replace it with the teachings of man it is God's Word that will judge you in the last days.
God bless you
Nice to see you. How are you my friend? It is interesting you say what you say. The "unbeliever" is the one that does not believe God's Word. Those that did not believe God in the Old Testament receive the same fate as those that do not believe God's Word in the New Testament. That is why God's Word says, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. If we choose to reject God's Word and replace it with the teachings of man it is God's Word that will judge you in the last days.
God bless you
Matthew 11:28-30
[FONT="]28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.[/FONT]
[FONT="]30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Do you believe that you can come to Christ and receive Rest?
How can you if you believe you are under some of the jots and tittles but not others?
A walking contradiction. Making both Christianity and Judaism a farce. It would be better for you to just follow one or the other and not try to mix both together.[/FONT]
Hi Grandpa,
How are you? The Unbeliever is the one that ignores the Word of God to follow their own traditions and teachings over the Words of God. Some will cherry pick a few scriptures to suit their own belief that suits their own lifestyle while ignoring the other scriptures that seemingly contradict their interpretation of God's Word. Some here believe in a counterfeit Gospel because they do not believe God's Word.
So what is the counterfeit Gospel?
It is a message that tries to separate Gods forever Law (the 10 commandments Ex 20:1-18) from faith in Christ for salvation.
Why is God's Law important to helping someone to have faith in Christ alone?
Because it is only through the Law of God (10 commandments) that any of us have a knowledge of what sin is (1John 3:4; Rom 3:20; 24). If we do away with God's Law we have no knowledge of sin. If we have no knowledge of sin we have no need of a savior. If we have no need of a savior we have no salvation. If we have no salvation we are lost. "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law." (Rom 2:12).
God's Law shows us that we are sinners in need of a savior. God's Law was given to us that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God (Rom 3:19). It shows us that we are sinners and cannot save ourselves from this disease that we have within us so that we can by Faith lay hold of the promises of God's Words so that Jesus can save us from our sins. Jesus did not come to save the righteous (those that think they do not need saving) but sinners (those that know their need of saving) (Matt 9:12-13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32) God's Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. It will be the basis of the judgement where we will all be accountable to God.
The Law of God is the only way of showing us who we truly are, sinners in need of a Savior and in this condition we can see for the first time Him who loved us and washed us in His own blood and by faith only lay hold of the promises of Gods Word. (2Pet 1:4) It is here as we believe God, that he changes us from living a life of breaking God's Law to a life of walking with him. It is through the operation of God through Love because he first loved us that we follow Jesus not for salvation but because of love. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh (carnal sinful mind) but after the spirit and why Jesus says to his followers, "If you love me keep the commandments" (John 14:15).
People cannot see that this is the operation of God in the believer and assume God's people believe they are saved by their works, when in fact Jesus is saving us from our sins to walk in newness of life in fulfillment of His new Covenant promise (Heb 8:10-12)...... Gods Sheep hear His Voice salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) whosoever is living in sin has neither seen him nor known him (1John 3:6)
God bless you all.
How are you? The Unbeliever is the one that ignores the Word of God to follow their own traditions and teachings over the Words of God. Some will cherry pick a few scriptures to suit their own belief that suits their own lifestyle while ignoring the other scriptures that seemingly contradict their interpretation of God's Word. Some here believe in a counterfeit Gospel because they do not believe God's Word.
So what is the counterfeit Gospel?
It is a message that tries to separate Gods forever Law (the 10 commandments Ex 20:1-18) from faith in Christ for salvation.
Why is God's Law important to helping someone to have faith in Christ alone?
Because it is only through the Law of God (10 commandments) that any of us have a knowledge of what sin is (1John 3:4; Rom 3:20; 24). If we do away with God's Law we have no knowledge of sin. If we have no knowledge of sin we have no need of a savior. If we have no need of a savior we have no salvation. If we have no salvation we are lost. "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law." (Rom 2:12).
God's Law shows us that we are sinners in need of a savior. God's Law was given to us that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God (Rom 3:19). It shows us that we are sinners and cannot save ourselves from this disease that we have within us so that we can by Faith lay hold of the promises of God's Words so that Jesus can save us from our sins. Jesus did not come to save the righteous (those that think they do not need saving) but sinners (those that know their need of saving) (Matt 9:12-13; Mark 2:17; Luke 5:32) God's Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ. It will be the basis of the judgement where we will all be accountable to God.
The Law of God is the only way of showing us who we truly are, sinners in need of a Savior and in this condition we can see for the first time Him who loved us and washed us in His own blood and by faith only lay hold of the promises of Gods Word. (2Pet 1:4) It is here as we believe God, that he changes us from living a life of breaking God's Law to a life of walking with him. It is through the operation of God through Love because he first loved us that we follow Jesus not for salvation but because of love. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh (carnal sinful mind) but after the spirit and why Jesus says to his followers, "If you love me keep the commandments" (John 14:15).
People cannot see that this is the operation of God in the believer and assume God's people believe they are saved by their works, when in fact Jesus is saving us from our sins to walk in newness of life in fulfillment of His new Covenant promise (Heb 8:10-12)...... Gods Sheep hear His Voice salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's Law (1John 3:4) whosoever is living in sin has neither seen him nor known him (1John 3:6)
God bless you all.
Grandpa........
How do you like that bold type? You know when peole count the laws of Moses that is the ones he wrote down, they usually get the total of 613, right?
If you were to read, study, pray, meditate and understand by the Holy Spirit the teachings of Jesus Christ you would understand what you say.
Of the 613 laws I doubt there are even 100 that are left unfulfilled by Jesus christ, because they are moral laws included in Love. God is love.
Now, do not be like the do-nothing , grace-only hypcrites who say we do not have to obey because we love. If they knew love they would know that the remaining laws taht will never change are hanging onthe two great laws of love. If they are with love they are there to be obeyed.
Do you believe if your enmy loses a possession and you see it in the road, because you are free from the curse of the law you should steal it? If yo udo, I am afraid there is not much hope for your understandign.
The Holy Spirit teaaches us to obey God, and mynew character in Christ informs me as I act, but when I read the laws, I do see Jesus Chrsit and I do recognize what we should obey or not.
You see, Jesus explains we are to oprate the law with mercy, faith and justice.
Never say Jesus christ was under the law as so many do. Nver say tha tJesus chrsit when He was teaching the Jews how the law is to be observed now wa gving them a separate Gospel from teh one for Gentiels......that would be blasphem.
So we know now the Tën Commandments are godo, and the remainling lawsconcerning moral behavrior are godd. We know if we shold braek one law or more, we are forgiven because we live in grace, but we do not live a life of sin, that is deliberately breaking the remainling laws, jsut because we are living in grace. This would be being ingrates and unworthy of the Blood of the Lamb of God.
YOu my friend turnout to be the legalist and teh judaizer in that you have madeyourself an expert on the law and its application, which requi4res its curse.
We who are no longer children of disobedience living in darkness are now children of obedience as taughtinthe epistles, and we have come to the everlasting light that is Jesus christ.
Stop your mindless tirades agaisn any who mention being children of obedience..........this would make you agains peter and against paul.........
Hello Friend,
I share the Word of God with you. You reject God's Word because you do not know him and wish to follow your traditions. I love God's Word and must follow Jesus because I love Him. Do you Love Jesus Bogadile? Jesus says you shall know them by their fruits and if you love me keep my commandments
God bless you
I share the Word of God with you. You reject God's Word because you do not know him and wish to follow your traditions. I love God's Word and must follow Jesus because I love Him. Do you Love Jesus Bogadile? Jesus says you shall know them by their fruits and if you love me keep my commandments
God bless you
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For the new readers on this thread - I will post this again.
Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.
The purpose of the law was :
1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20
2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8
3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11
4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24
The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law!
When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now,
the law of liberty in Christ Jesus
the law of love
the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ).
The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.
But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.
Jesus said that all of the law and the prophets "speak of Him" He is the real substance - not the shadow of the Law itself.
Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.
People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.
If someone wants to observe a particular day such as the Sabbath , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so.
These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.
It's where people are saying "You must observe these things in the Law including the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament or you are sinning and you are not obeying God"
- that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work. Hebrews 4:10
Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.
The purpose of the law was :
1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20
2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8
3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11
4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24
The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law!
When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now,
the law of liberty in Christ Jesus
the law of love
the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ).
The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.
But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.
Jesus said that all of the law and the prophets "speak of Him" He is the real substance - not the shadow of the Law itself.
Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.
People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.
If someone wants to observe a particular day such as the Sabbath , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so.
These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.
It's where people are saying "You must observe these things in the Law including the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament or you are sinning and you are not obeying God"
- that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work. Hebrews 4:10
The only way I am an expert on the law is that I know by faith In Christ I no longer work at it.
Working at the law is unbelief. Its what you get when you reject Grace. It definitely has nothing to do with obedience.
The children of obedience are the one who have rested from their work and understanding of the law.
The children of obedience have come to Christ and Rest in His Work and His Understanding and Wisdom.
Judaizers can never get it.
Working at the law is unbelief. Its what you get when you reject Grace. It definitely has nothing to do with obedience.
The children of obedience are the one who have rested from their work and understanding of the law.
The children of obedience have come to Christ and Rest in His Work and His Understanding and Wisdom.
Judaizers can never get it.
You are aware this is a Christian Discussion area, discussing the entire Bible correct?
People new to the Word do referto as much of the Word as possible.
I sincerely hope you are not deliberately misleading the innocent with text posted
you do not understand yourself!
My point is from one thread to another you contradict theWord and yourself..........
People new to the Word do referto as much of the Word as possible.
I sincerely hope you are not deliberately misleading the innocent with text posted
you do not understand yourself!
My point is from one thread to another you contradict theWord and yourself..........
Please don't take this as me being critical or what not..... but if a person wants to keep the sabbath, they must keep all the laws of the sabbath. Anything less would be hypocritical to say "I'm keeping God's sabbath", while you're only keeping the seventh day sabbath.
First of all, as you know, there was not only the "seventh day" Sabbath, but the first and last days of the seven Old Testament feasts were special Sabbaths, to be observed just as a seventh day Sabbath. (See Exodus 12:1-6; and 14-16 and Leviticus 23:1-8).
So, there were at least 64 "Sabbaths" in each calendar year. Many weeks had multiple "Sabbaths", one a seventh day Sabbath, the other a "Holy Convocation", the first or last day of a feast. Often, there were Sabbath days back to back - two days in a row. And, probably just as often, a Feast day Sabbath occurred the same day as the seventh day Sabbath.
http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/sabbaths.htm
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First of all, as you know, there was not only the "seventh day" Sabbath, but the first and last days of the seven Old Testament feasts were special Sabbaths, to be observed just as a seventh day Sabbath. (See Exodus 12:1-6; and 14-16 and Leviticus 23:1-8).
So, there were at least 64 "Sabbaths" in each calendar year. Many weeks had multiple "Sabbaths", one a seventh day Sabbath, the other a "Holy Convocation", the first or last day of a feast. Often, there were Sabbath days back to back - two days in a row. And, probably just as often, a Feast day Sabbath occurred the same day as the seventh day Sabbath.
http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/sabbaths.htm
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Hello Friend,
I share the Word of God with you. You reject God's Word because you do not know him and wish to follow your traditions. I love God's Word and must follow Jesus because I love Him. Do you Love Jesus Bogadile? Jesus says you shall know them by their fruits and if you love me keep my commandments
God bless you
I share the Word of God with you. You reject God's Word because you do not know him and wish to follow your traditions. I love God's Word and must follow Jesus because I love Him. Do you Love Jesus Bogadile? Jesus says you shall know them by their fruits and if you love me keep my commandments
God bless you
You just quoted if you love me keep my commandments. That is exactly what I said. Christians do follow the commandments of Jesus, the law of Christ. Not the law of Moses.
The truth is that cults like SDA, JW, and all the rest of these false religions of 1800s have absolutely no play on this arena of Christianity, do you expect anyone to believe that the Church has been wrong on such fundamental doctrines for thousands of years, but then all of a sudden a couple of cults in the 1800s with very fishy backgrounds filled with false predictions and date setting of the Second Coming got it right?
This is absurd. Look up investigative judgment and all that nonsense that your teachers preach. They do not like to put these faults on display due to people possibly abandoning ship when they learn the truth.
You are being scammed by cult leaders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_judgment
Once a person comes to Christ they are no longer under the law.
The law has done its job. It has shown you that you have no hope of EVER fulfilling it on your own.
So you need a Saviour and a Helper and a Friend.
If you go back to the law to try to work at it, entangling yourself again, you have rejected the Power of your Saviour.
If you go back to your work and understanding of the law you have told Christ "No thanks, I've got this".
Galatians 2:21 [FONT="]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
[/FONT]Galatians 5:4 [FONT="]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.[/FONT]
The law has done its job. It has shown you that you have no hope of EVER fulfilling it on your own.
So you need a Saviour and a Helper and a Friend.
If you go back to the law to try to work at it, entangling yourself again, you have rejected the Power of your Saviour.
If you go back to your work and understanding of the law you have told Christ "No thanks, I've got this".
Galatians 2:21 [FONT="]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
[/FONT]Galatians 5:4 [FONT="]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.[/FONT]
Hi Stephen63,
How are you? Nice to see you here. Normally I agree with many of your posts. I can see you are different from a lot of other people here on the forum and I believe you like to study for yourself and like to share God's Word. I would be interested to have a discussion about the above with you as Christians believers in God's Word sharing God's Word together if you have some time? I have already completed some studies of the above that I would like to share with you in the linked posts below if you have some time to look at them and get back to me for our discussion I would be greatly interested in sharing with you? Here are the linked posts already started talking about your post above...Lev 23, Num 28 and 29 are all talking about the annual ceremonial laws, annual feasts and holy days which all have their fulfillment in Jesus. Some of the posts linked below for your comment...
More scripture support? (linked):
Col 2 Sabbaths and Shadows of things to come (1)
Col 2 Sabbaths and Shadows of things to come (2)
Colossians 2 (a must read God's Word)
Scripture support on the difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses linked
God's Law and the laws of Moses (1)
God's Law and the laws of Moses (2)
God's Law and the laws of Moses (3)
God bless
How are you? Nice to see you here. Normally I agree with many of your posts. I can see you are different from a lot of other people here on the forum and I believe you like to study for yourself and like to share God's Word. I would be interested to have a discussion about the above with you as Christians believers in God's Word sharing God's Word together if you have some time? I have already completed some studies of the above that I would like to share with you in the linked posts below if you have some time to look at them and get back to me for our discussion I would be greatly interested in sharing with you? Here are the linked posts already started talking about your post above...Lev 23, Num 28 and 29 are all talking about the annual ceremonial laws, annual feasts and holy days which all have their fulfillment in Jesus. Some of the posts linked below for your comment...
More scripture support? (linked):
Col 2 Sabbaths and Shadows of things to come (1)
Col 2 Sabbaths and Shadows of things to come (2)
Colossians 2 (a must read God's Word)
Scripture support on the difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses linked
God's Law and the laws of Moses (1)
God's Law and the laws of Moses (2)
God's Law and the laws of Moses (3)
God bless
I haven't read all of the posts, so if this is a repeat of scripture, my apologies. Hebrews 4:3-11 3 [FONT="]Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,[/FONT][FONT="][FONT="]“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”[/FONT]
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[FONT="]And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.[/FONT]
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT="]And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:[/FONT]
[FONT="][FONT="]“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”[/FONT]
[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.[/FONT]
What is this fecal matter about if one "keeps the sabbath" one must keep all the u613 laws.? You are not very read in the eWord.
What next? If one wishes to keep the commandment to hoor they father and they mother, one must keep the entire 613 laws.
What kind of crackpot learning is this?
Right, it is for those of the lip service only who do nothing after salvatio to demonstrate gratitude.
Stop talking nonsense for the sake of all who are seekers of truth. We are obedient children and with
the infilling of the Holy Spirit we know what and why.
Because there is no longer a curse with the law, we are not afraid to learn teh wisdom contained theri,as
is written in our original Books of learning.....
What next? If one wishes to keep the commandment to hoor they father and they mother, one must keep the entire 613 laws.
What kind of crackpot learning is this?
Right, it is for those of the lip service only who do nothing after salvatio to demonstrate gratitude.
Stop talking nonsense for the sake of all who are seekers of truth. We are obedient children and with
the infilling of the Holy Spirit we know what and why.
Because there is no longer a curse with the law, we are not afraid to learn teh wisdom contained theri,as
is written in our original Books of learning.....
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Hi Grace777.
There is of course a difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses. If we count the Sabbath as a part of the law of Moses, then we should count the rest of the Ten Commandments as the law of Moses too, which then makes us free from all of them.
I have heard many different arguments for a Saturday and Sunday Sabbath, both sides very compelling. Personally I keep a Saturday Sabbath because that's what Jesus did, and if it was good for Him, then who am I to argue.
I have to admit though that a passage in the Bible has often baffled me: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (Col 2:16).
Something else I find very interesting is that the Commandment with regards to the Sabbath is the longest of all the Commandments and in Matthew 5:19 Jesus says that whoever breaks the least of the Commandments will be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.
There is of course a difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses. If we count the Sabbath as a part of the law of Moses, then we should count the rest of the Ten Commandments as the law of Moses too, which then makes us free from all of them.
I have heard many different arguments for a Saturday and Sunday Sabbath, both sides very compelling. Personally I keep a Saturday Sabbath because that's what Jesus did, and if it was good for Him, then who am I to argue.
I have to admit though that a passage in the Bible has often baffled me: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (Col 2:16).
Something else I find very interesting is that the Commandment with regards to the Sabbath is the longest of all the Commandments and in Matthew 5:19 Jesus says that whoever breaks the least of the Commandments will be the least in the Kingdom of Heaven.