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I wonder what "supposedly" one can do and not do from Friday night until Saturday when the sun goes down.
What exactly are the rules one must do in order to keep the Sabbath day as outlined in the law of Moses?
What are the consequences according to the law of Moses as well if one doesn't keep the Sabbath as outlined in the Old Testament?
What should we be doing to those that don't keep the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament?
What exactly are the rules one must do in order to keep the Sabbath day as outlined in the law of Moses?
What are the consequences according to the law of Moses as well if one doesn't keep the Sabbath as outlined in the Old Testament?
What should we be doing to those that don't keep the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament?
Hi JamueJ,
It is true what you say. I've read and looked into it and even some of the ante-nicene fathers still celebrated the Sabbath after the original apostles died.
I have no problem for those who want to celebrate the Sabbath. I do think that's the day we should come together and worship if we're going to choose a special day of the week. I believe that a case can be made that the apostles continued to celebrate the Sabbath.
However, at the counsel in Jerusalem they mentioned four things that gentiles must do after they discussed the issue of circumcision. And the keeping of the Sabbath is not one of them.
But if you look at the Sabbath day in the OT, no one got together to worship God. It was a day of rest. Everyone stayed home and completely rested on that day.
It is true what you say. I've read and looked into it and even some of the ante-nicene fathers still celebrated the Sabbath after the original apostles died.
I have no problem for those who want to celebrate the Sabbath. I do think that's the day we should come together and worship if we're going to choose a special day of the week. I believe that a case can be made that the apostles continued to celebrate the Sabbath.
However, at the counsel in Jerusalem they mentioned four things that gentiles must do after they discussed the issue of circumcision. And the keeping of the Sabbath is not one of them.
But if you look at the Sabbath day in the OT, no one got together to worship God. It was a day of rest. Everyone stayed home and completely rested on that day.
I refer to the Seventh Day as the Sabbath of the Lord, that is the Sabbath designated by God, Himself.
People may worship seven days a week; they shoud in thier herts 24/7.
As concerning "councils" they mean nothing. It was a "council" that had to declare Jesus Christ God, yet all who believe until that
"council" already knew without the need of a "council" of intellectuals so intelligent tey needed to vote on the subject.
Now, the Sabbath is the Seventh day........we do not go to church, we are the church.
People may worship seven days a week; they shoud in thier herts 24/7.
As concerning "councils" they mean nothing. It was a "council" that had to declare Jesus Christ God, yet all who believe until that
"council" already knew without the need of a "council" of intellectuals so intelligent tey needed to vote on the subject.
Now, the Sabbath is the Seventh day........we do not go to church, we are the church.
You are telling all that something must be written several times by God's prophets and/or Apostles to be considered by those given His Word to study by God, Himself? That is quite a boast of your prowess.
I believe the Word on faith an by the understanding imparted, as It does to all, by the Holy Spirit.
According to the Word the woman was caughtin adultery, and there were many witnesses.
kAs for justice and the love of God, even I have pointed out in this thread many times how Jesus Christ
teaches the application of the law properly requires teh application of three principles,
Faith
Merdy
Justice
These principles were applied for the womaan caughtin aduiltery by Jesus. Those three inllude Love, for without faith and mercy and justice there is no love.
Fair notice, if I should overlook a post, it is usually due to the time difference here in Spain, sometimes due to y just not seeing them, and sometimes it is simply my choice.
Some posts are just not worthy of a response........ even some of my own. God bless you.
I believe the Word on faith an by the understanding imparted, as It does to all, by the Holy Spirit.
According to the Word the woman was caughtin adultery, and there were many witnesses.
kAs for justice and the love of God, even I have pointed out in this thread many times how Jesus Christ
teaches the application of the law properly requires teh application of three principles,
Faith
Merdy
Justice
These principles were applied for the womaan caughtin aduiltery by Jesus. Those three inllude Love, for without faith and mercy and justice there is no love.
Fair notice, if I should overlook a post, it is usually due to the time difference here in Spain, sometimes due to y just not seeing them, and sometimes it is simply my choice.
Some posts are just not worthy of a response........ even some of my own. God bless you.
Ahh brother Grace 
I promised myself not to entertain this thread again but I can' t resist aaargh
Maybe we should stone them, there is an idea the law opens the door for us to stone them. I will stone them but let me look at the law again because Jesus said, he that is without sin should cast the first stone. Wait a minute so I can't cast the first stone I will have to wait in my glass house. The Bible also teach me not to judge because as I judge others, I will be judged. GULP....
Read the Bible keep the Sabbath, don't keep the Sabbath as you are being led by the Spirit.
Deuteronomy4:2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nortake away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your Godwhich I command you.
Revelation22:18-19 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecyof this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which arewritten in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book ofthis prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from theholy city, which are written in this book.
God bless friends
I promised myself not to entertain this thread again but I can' t resist aaargh Maybe we should stone them, there is an idea
the law opens the door for us to stone them. I will stone them but let me look at the law again because Jesus said, he that is without sin should cast the first stone. Wait a minute so I can't cast the first stone I will have to wait in my glass house. The Bible also teach me not to judge because as I judge others, I will be judged. GULP.... Read the Bible keep the Sabbath, don't keep the Sabbath as you are being led by the Spirit.
Deuteronomy4:2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nortake away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your Godwhich I command you.
Revelation22:18-19 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecyof this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which arewritten in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book ofthis prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from theholy city, which are written in this book.
God bless friends
I know I have said it before and I will say it again.
The Sabbath is not about law vs works. OR shadows vs Christ. Its not about how one is saved.
Its much simpler than that, Its simply a day blessed and set apart for holy use by God in the beginning.
You can do what you want with that but for me I can't ignore the fact that it is a special day because My Jesus made it so. His death does not make it less special in fact for me its his death that makes it relevant at all.
For His death got my attention and his resurrection. And then I learned he is the creator who blessed the seventh day and made it holy.
I simply can't call common what God has called Holy. I simply can't ignore it because the one I love made it.
I can no more ignore the 7th day than I can creation. It is the work of my God and thus I cherish all that he has done.
The Sabbath is not about law vs works. OR shadows vs Christ. Its not about how one is saved.
Its much simpler than that, Its simply a day blessed and set apart for holy use by God in the beginning.
You can do what you want with that but for me I can't ignore the fact that it is a special day because My Jesus made it so. His death does not make it less special in fact for me its his death that makes it relevant at all.
For His death got my attention and his resurrection. And then I learned he is the creator who blessed the seventh day and made it holy.
I simply can't call common what God has called Holy. I simply can't ignore it because the one I love made it.
I can no more ignore the 7th day than I can creation. It is the work of my God and thus I cherish all that he has done.
To ask for witnesses of each line of text within the Word is not only disrespectful of our Fathere ability to preserve HIs Word as He considers correct, it is just a little bit ignorant. The Apostles credited for putting downthe words for the four Gospels are known to be led by the Holy Spirit, Who is witnessed by the Father and the Son.......that is two or more witnesses.
Even without this knowledge any person believing Jesus christ will trust His original Twelve (I know about Luke) to be in the Holy Spirit.
All of the Lw of Moses still in vigor are applied with faith, mercy and justice........of course those who believe are gifted with faith hope and love, therefor all of the mentioned are present in the application of the law.
I would never condone stoning anyone to death for any reason. Any judgment of that type is not for those who believe God. We do not kill.
What makes people think observing the Sabbath on th eSeventh Day cannot be observed according to the teaaching of Jesus Christ? It seems when convennitent people go to Moses....usually, the grace-only crowd who are mor legalistic than the Supreme Court of any given country, always poised to point the finger.
The law and commandments still in vigor are no a burden for the believer of Jesus Chrisst. Was Jesus Christ encumbered because He obeyed perfectly for us all? We do not need worry about our obedience under grace, but we must always be aware of imitating the One Who wasperfect for us. Detractors of these truths do not believe Jesus Christ is our Example to follow, no, they preach disobedience by complascence.
These detractors have buried their talents in the soil only to become dirty...........Get to good works, for without them you will not have anyting to return withinterest to the King when He returns.....
Even without this knowledge any person believing Jesus christ will trust His original Twelve (I know about Luke) to be in the Holy Spirit.
All of the Lw of Moses still in vigor are applied with faith, mercy and justice........of course those who believe are gifted with faith hope and love, therefor all of the mentioned are present in the application of the law.
I would never condone stoning anyone to death for any reason. Any judgment of that type is not for those who believe God. We do not kill.
What makes people think observing the Sabbath on th eSeventh Day cannot be observed according to the teaaching of Jesus Christ? It seems when convennitent people go to Moses....usually, the grace-only crowd who are mor legalistic than the Supreme Court of any given country, always poised to point the finger.
The law and commandments still in vigor are no a burden for the believer of Jesus Chrisst. Was Jesus Christ encumbered because He obeyed perfectly for us all? We do not need worry about our obedience under grace, but we must always be aware of imitating the One Who wasperfect for us. Detractors of these truths do not believe Jesus Christ is our Example to follow, no, they preach disobedience by complascence.
These detractors have buried their talents in the soil only to become dirty...........Get to good works, for without them you will not have anyting to return withinterest to the King when He returns.....
Ahh brother Grace I promised myself not to entertain this thread again but I can' t resist aaargh
Maybe we should stone them, there is an idea the law opens the door for us to stone them. I will stone them but let me look at the law again because Jesus said, he that is without sin should cast the first stone. Wait a minute so I can't cast the first stone I will have to wait in my glass house. The Bible also teach me not to judge because as I judge others, I will be judged. GULP....
Read the Bible keep the Sabbath, don't keep the Sabbath as you are being led by the Spirit.
Deuteronomy4:2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nortake away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your Godwhich I command you.
Revelation22:18-19 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecyof this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which arewritten in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book ofthis prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from theholy city, which are written in this book.
God bless friends
I promised myself not to entertain this thread again but I can' t resist aaargh Maybe we should stone them, there is an idea
the law opens the door for us to stone them. I will stone them but let me look at the law again because Jesus said, he that is without sin should cast the first stone. Wait a minute so I can't cast the first stone I will have to wait in my glass house. The Bible also teach me not to judge because as I judge others, I will be judged. GULP.... Read the Bible keep the Sabbath, don't keep the Sabbath as you are being led by the Spirit.
Deuteronomy4:2 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nortake away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your Godwhich I command you.
Revelation22:18-19 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecyof this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which arewritten in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book ofthis prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from theholy city, which are written in this book.
God bless friends
Goeie dag my kosbare broer
I understand what you are saying but this hasn't answered my questions other than on a surface level - what shall we do to those that don't keep the Sabbath as outlined in the Old Testament. I do agree with you on this BTW. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Here is the question again.
I wonder what "supposedly" one can do and not do from Friday night until Saturday when the sun goes down.
What exactly are the rules one must do in order to keep the Sabbath day as outlined in the law of Moses?
What are the consequences according to the law of Moses as well if one doesn't keep the Sabbath as outlined in the Old Testament?
What should we be doing to those that don't keep the Sabbath day as outlined in the Old Testament?
The reason why I ask is - I want to see how Christ as our true Sabbath rest can be seen in the "shadow" of the Old Testament.
Thanks.
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That depends on how you are applying what He was saying in respect to the law in regards to our sinful state.
Jesus was not lying but you need His wisdom to understand what He is saying in context.
Matthew 5:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Jesus is talking about what HE is going to do; not you nor anyone else.[SUP]
18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
So what did Jesus do to fulfill the law? To pay the penalty for our sins which is death. Not you. He has done this.
The next verse is proof that it is not about YOU because those who break one of these least commandments and teach other so shall be called "least" BUT STILL in the kingdom of heaven. So here is proof that it is not about YOU when a saved believer can go astray in error and teach others BUT still be in the kingdom of heaven as the "least".
So the least are still in the kingdom of heaven because of what Jesus Christ has done.
That is why in 2 Timothy 2:18-21, if a believer errs from the truth and have his faith overthrown, even though he does not believe in Him any more, he still has His seal is is still called to depart from iniquity in order to be received by Him at the pre trib rapture event as a vessel unto honor in His House.
If they do not look to Him for help to lay aside every weight & sin to depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom comes, then they will become castaways as in left behind when cast into the bed of the great tribulation to suffer a physical death wherein after the great tribulation, they shall be resurrected & received as vessels unto "dishonour" in His House. These be the least in the kingdom of heaven.
So by what Jesus has done and all those who believe in Him, has that foundation laid by Christ Jesus and the works each individual believer builds upon that eternal foundation shall be judged as to whether to be received as a vessel unto honor when the Bridegroom comes or as vessels unto dishonor when the King of kings comes.
Matthew 5:[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Note the contrast between verse 19 & verse 20. How can verse 20 be true and verse 19 still permits the person to be the least in the kingdom of heaven? How can breaking one of the least commandments and teach others so can even surpass the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees and still be in the kingdom of heaven to enter therein?
And so the contrast here is that no one else can exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees, so the only way any sinner can is by what Jesus Christ has done so that by believing in Him is how we enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Learning of Him in the scripture and His promises to us in how we are to believe in Him for everything is not the same thing as learning the law and putting your hopes on yourself in doing the best you can to obtain that righteousness.
John 5:[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP] 40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
You are to come & to believe in Jesus Christ to get life. Not to the law in the scriptures, but to learn literally of Jesus Christ.
The Book of Acts as in Acts 15:5-30 addressed the issues about the law of Moses whether any believer should follow them or not, and the disciples admitted to this one thing to confirm what Jesus had said earlier.
John 7:[SUP]19[/SUP]Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Acts 15:[SUP]5 [/SUP]But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;[SUP] 9 [/SUP]And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?[SUP]11 [/SUP]But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Did the Lamb said in John 7:18 that no one was keeping the law and did His disciples not confirm that in Acts 15:10 above?
The obedience is to believe the gospel.
1 Peter 4:[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
To believe in Him that what He has done on the cross is sufficient to enter us into the kingdom of heaven.
John 7:[SUP]38 [/SUP]He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.[SUP] 39 [/SUP](But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Colossians 1:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled[SUP] 22 [/SUP]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:[SUP] 23 [/SUP]If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
The deeds of the law does not save and neither do works that follow Him saves since the works on that foundation which was laid by Jesus Christ shall be judged, but there are rewards for those works by His hand as the fruits of the Spirit are from Jesus Christ & His workmanship for why the just shall live by faith in Him as their Good Shepherd in order to trust Him to help them to follow Him as His disciples... is profitable unto men..but works are not to be done for salvation when He has done it.
So believers run that race as already saved believers, by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to do those things that He has taught that are HIGHER than the works of the law as of under the Old Covenant... as per example.. to love our enemies ....to not seek vengeance as it was permitted under the Old Covenant.
Matthew 5:[SUP]38 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:[SUP] 39 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.[SUP] 40 [/SUP]And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.[SUP] 41 [/SUP]And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.[SUP] 42 [/SUP]Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? [SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
So those under the law of Moses .... would never do that as taught above and so how does one surpass the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees to enter into the kingdom of heaven ( that also mean surpassing the laws of Moses which the scribes & the Pharisees were not keeping in actuality ) ? By believing in Jesus Christ because it is by receiving Him.. at our salvation is how any believer has power to live as sons of God in abiding in His words surpassing the law of Moses as the Old Covenant vanishes in face of the New Covenant in following Jesus.
Since Jesus has fulfilled the law for each one of us, then to walk in the light is to walk by faith in Jesus Christ in Him as our Saviour that we are saved simply by believing in Him and to abide in Him is by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to walk in the light as He has done by which He is Lord of the sabbath to allow His servants to pick ears of corn in profaning the sabbath day to be guiltless because He was with them as Matthew 12:1-8 testifies.
So what are the commandments for abiding in Him again?
1 John 3:[SUP]22 [/SUP]And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The penalty for our sins has been paid for as the blood of the Lamb is over us for death to pass over us. Believe Him. Place all your hopes in Him for abiding in Him and His words which surpasses the law of Moses to be set free.
John 8:[SUP]30 [/SUP]As he spake these words, many believed on him.[SUP] 31 [/SUP]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;[SUP] 32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?[SUP] 34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Learn of Jesus Christ and place your hopes all on Him for living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
Jesus was not lying but you need His wisdom to understand what He is saying in context.
Matthew 5:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Jesus is talking about what HE is going to do; not you nor anyone else.[SUP]
18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
So what did Jesus do to fulfill the law? To pay the penalty for our sins which is death. Not you. He has done this.
The next verse is proof that it is not about YOU because those who break one of these least commandments and teach other so shall be called "least" BUT STILL in the kingdom of heaven. So here is proof that it is not about YOU when a saved believer can go astray in error and teach others BUT still be in the kingdom of heaven as the "least".
So the least are still in the kingdom of heaven because of what Jesus Christ has done.
That is why in 2 Timothy 2:18-21, if a believer errs from the truth and have his faith overthrown, even though he does not believe in Him any more, he still has His seal is is still called to depart from iniquity in order to be received by Him at the pre trib rapture event as a vessel unto honor in His House.
If they do not look to Him for help to lay aside every weight & sin to depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom comes, then they will become castaways as in left behind when cast into the bed of the great tribulation to suffer a physical death wherein after the great tribulation, they shall be resurrected & received as vessels unto "dishonour" in His House. These be the least in the kingdom of heaven.
So by what Jesus has done and all those who believe in Him, has that foundation laid by Christ Jesus and the works each individual believer builds upon that eternal foundation shall be judged as to whether to be received as a vessel unto honor when the Bridegroom comes or as vessels unto dishonor when the King of kings comes.
Matthew 5:[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Note the contrast between verse 19 & verse 20. How can verse 20 be true and verse 19 still permits the person to be the least in the kingdom of heaven? How can breaking one of the least commandments and teach others so can even surpass the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees and still be in the kingdom of heaven to enter therein?
And so the contrast here is that no one else can exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees, so the only way any sinner can is by what Jesus Christ has done so that by believing in Him is how we enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Learning of Him in the scripture and His promises to us in how we are to believe in Him for everything is not the same thing as learning the law and putting your hopes on yourself in doing the best you can to obtain that righteousness.
John 5:[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP] 40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
You are to come & to believe in Jesus Christ to get life. Not to the law in the scriptures, but to learn literally of Jesus Christ.
The Book of Acts as in Acts 15:5-30 addressed the issues about the law of Moses whether any believer should follow them or not, and the disciples admitted to this one thing to confirm what Jesus had said earlier.
John 7:[SUP]19[/SUP]Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Acts 15:[SUP]5 [/SUP]But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;[SUP] 9 [/SUP]And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?[SUP]11 [/SUP]But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Did the Lamb said in John 7:18 that no one was keeping the law and did His disciples not confirm that in Acts 15:10 above?
The obedience is to believe the gospel.
1 Peter 4:[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?[SUP] 18 [/SUP]And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
To believe in Him that what He has done on the cross is sufficient to enter us into the kingdom of heaven.
John 7:[SUP]38 [/SUP]He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.[SUP] 39 [/SUP](But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Colossians 1:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled[SUP] 22 [/SUP]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:[SUP] 23 [/SUP]If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
The deeds of the law does not save and neither do works that follow Him saves since the works on that foundation which was laid by Jesus Christ shall be judged, but there are rewards for those works by His hand as the fruits of the Spirit are from Jesus Christ & His workmanship for why the just shall live by faith in Him as their Good Shepherd in order to trust Him to help them to follow Him as His disciples... is profitable unto men..but works are not to be done for salvation when He has done it.
So believers run that race as already saved believers, by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to do those things that He has taught that are HIGHER than the works of the law as of under the Old Covenant... as per example.. to love our enemies ....to not seek vengeance as it was permitted under the Old Covenant.
Matthew 5:[SUP]38 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:[SUP] 39 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.[SUP] 40 [/SUP]And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.[SUP] 41 [/SUP]And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.[SUP] 42 [/SUP]Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? [SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
So those under the law of Moses .... would never do that as taught above and so how does one surpass the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees to enter into the kingdom of heaven ( that also mean surpassing the laws of Moses which the scribes & the Pharisees were not keeping in actuality ) ? By believing in Jesus Christ because it is by receiving Him.. at our salvation is how any believer has power to live as sons of God in abiding in His words surpassing the law of Moses as the Old Covenant vanishes in face of the New Covenant in following Jesus.
Since Jesus has fulfilled the law for each one of us, then to walk in the light is to walk by faith in Jesus Christ in Him as our Saviour that we are saved simply by believing in Him and to abide in Him is by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to walk in the light as He has done by which He is Lord of the sabbath to allow His servants to pick ears of corn in profaning the sabbath day to be guiltless because He was with them as Matthew 12:1-8 testifies.
So what are the commandments for abiding in Him again?
1 John 3:[SUP]22 [/SUP]And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The penalty for our sins has been paid for as the blood of the Lamb is over us for death to pass over us. Believe Him. Place all your hopes in Him for abiding in Him and His words which surpasses the law of Moses to be set free.
John 8:[SUP]30 [/SUP]As he spake these words, many believed on him.[SUP] 31 [/SUP]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;[SUP] 32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?[SUP] 34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.[SUP] 35 [/SUP]And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Learn of Jesus Christ and place your hopes all on Him for living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
You should not be quite so wordy in one post.
Jesus filfilled the prophets in having accomplished all they profesied of Him.
No more Levitical priesthood, for we are a race of peists to teh Most High God.
No more High Priests for there now is but One Hig Prist to ever mediate for our sins.
No more laws of sacrifice, for the onloy Scrifice fo sin is that ofJesus Christ.`se on at least two occasions , once while present in this age and once from the Rigth Hand of Power.
All laws that have no mercy, He has fulfilled.
The laws on moral behavior in the sight of god willnever be abolished in terms of practice, but you must understand our Rabboni,.
Thanks for the wordy reply. You know a lot. I know very little, but what I do know is of the Holy Spirit.
No more dietary laws for He has taught us othersi
Jesus filfilled the prophets in having accomplished all they profesied of Him.
No more Levitical priesthood, for we are a race of peists to teh Most High God.
No more High Priests for there now is but One Hig Prist to ever mediate for our sins.
No more laws of sacrifice, for the onloy Scrifice fo sin is that ofJesus Christ.`se on at least two occasions , once while present in this age and once from the Rigth Hand of Power.
All laws that have no mercy, He has fulfilled.
The laws on moral behavior in the sight of god willnever be abolished in terms of practice, but you must understand our Rabboni,.
Thanks for the wordy reply. You know a lot. I know very little, but what I do know is of the Holy Spirit.
No more dietary laws for He has taught us othersi
When posting it is important, as disciples of Christ, that we do not go beyond simple words in our explanations to each other.....we are children, not "Bible scholars."
Mat 18:3 and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Father, please let this be so with us all, in Jesus Christ's name, amen.
Mat 18:3 and said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye turn, and become as little children, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Father, please let this be so with us all, in Jesus Christ's name, amen.
I believe the Word of God, too!
the question is if the passage is actually part of the
Word,
or just a story that someone really liked and copied onto their manuscript of John a long time ago.
kind of like how the 'footprints in the sand' story is popular today.
having multiple witnesses for a teaching is a good idea,
otherwise, a person can end up with strange ideas like baptizing for the dead or women can't talk in chuch.
the question is if the passage is actually part of the
Word,
or just a story that someone really liked and copied onto their manuscript of John a long time ago.
kind of like how the 'footprints in the sand' story is popular today.
having multiple witnesses for a teaching is a good idea,
otherwise, a person can end up with strange ideas like baptizing for the dead or women can't talk in chuch.
this note from the Complete Jewish Bible may be helpful
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+7&version=CJB
c. John 7:52 Most scholars believe that 7:53–8:11 is not from the pen of Yochanan. Many are of the opinion that it is a true story about Yeshua written by another of his talmidim.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+7&version=CJB
c. John 7:52 Most scholars believe that 7:53–8:11 is not from the pen of Yochanan. Many are of the opinion that it is a true story about Yeshua written by another of his talmidim.
kDan, you seem to deflect rather tahn to comprehend. I cannot continue in this vein.
Yuo should not believe me.
It seems you do not believe yourself.
You should believe that the Almighty can do anything with ease.
Whethere there is a word mistranslated or not, the overall meaning and lessons of faith are in the Word from God, Jesus.
I do not want you or anyone to believe me just because am am "me," but I do expect all to believe God, and learn by the Holy Spirit.
Of course to receive the understanding fromthe Holy Spirit one must first believe the One Who sent it ofr us to learn all, Jesus Christ.
When this occurs you will not be question events written down by the Apostles. YOu have been answered. Please, do not deflect fromt his also..
Yuo should not believe me.
It seems you do not believe yourself.
You should believe that the Almighty can do anything with ease.
Whethere there is a word mistranslated or not, the overall meaning and lessons of faith are in the Word from God, Jesus.
I do not want you or anyone to believe me just because am am "me," but I do expect all to believe God, and learn by the Holy Spirit.
Of course to receive the understanding fromthe Holy Spirit one must first believe the One Who sent it ofr us to learn all, Jesus Christ.
When this occurs you will not be question events written down by the Apostles. YOu have been answered. Please, do not deflect fromt his also..
Friend you sound like you are asking the wrong question. Instead you should be asking, what does Sabbath require of us? Heaven forbid you think that Sabbath needs something from you to keep existing. We should be concerned with what is right, necisary, lovely, and doesn't take away from Messiah but holds him up for all to see.
Jesus didn't act according to the Torah. So I agree that the story is not by John. According to the Torah, the husband was supposed to bring his wife to the priest. The reason I have a question is "where was her husband through all this?" Not only that, it seems as if at least one of the accusers might have been one who was having sex with her. How else would they have caught her in the act? Maybe even more than one. It may be true, and it may not be true. I personally don't think that it is.
I didn't mean to derail the theme of the OP. If I did, sorry.
I didn't mean to derail the theme of the OP. If I did, sorry.