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Dan_473

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If we read the OLD we learn how they tried to hide GOD's name from us.. some say we should not pronounce it but GOD said not to use His name in vain..

And rightly so... but that is very different from not using....

Psalm 68:4.. spells JAH....

my my preference is YAHVAH and YAHSHUA.. yet the educated can correct me but I worry not like I said in my post.. we could argue until Kingdom come and yet it is written:

Revelation 3


12Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


So let us be Faithful and not worry too much.. for all things will be New..
it just seems so strange to me that the apostles never used it in any of their writings, yet many today feel that it's very important to use.

almost like, we need to help out the apostles, maybe they didn't fully understand like we do today.


but maybe that's just me.
 

Dan_473

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one other thing,

"There is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must be saved!"

the name peter is referring to is Jesus/Yahshua.


that would lead me to believe that the name for God, represented by YHWH, is not currently "given among men".
 
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God's Word is 'eternal and timeless'! -
PS. 119:89.
LAMED. For ever, O LORD, Thy Word is settled in heaven.
LAMED = ABC...

ISA. 44:6.
Thus saith The LORD-YHWH The King of Israel, and His Redeemer, The LORD-YHWH, of Hosts;
I AM The First, and I AM The Last; and beside Me there is no God.!

Who is The Redeemer, and Who is The First and The Last?
 
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JaumeJ

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People say they read the Word yet they miss how Yahweh declarers He is the Husband of Israel, the King, the Salvation, the Redeemer.....etc. This is why He is Who He is.

AS long as people continue to overlook Who our Savior, Yeshua, is, understanding is distant ........all will come out in the final wash, amen.


God's Word is 'eternal and timeless'! -
PS. 119:89.
LAMED. For ever, O LORD, Thy Word is settled in heaven.
LAMED = ABC...

ISA. 44:6.
Thus saith The LORD-YHWH The King of Israel, and His Redeemer, The LORD-YHWH, of Hosts;
I AM The First, and I AM The Last; and beside Me there is no God.!

Who is The Redeemer, and Who is The First and The Last?
 

loveme1

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one other thing,

"There is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must be saved!"

the name peter is referring to is Jesus/Yahshua.


that would lead me to believe that the name for God, represented by YHWH, is not currently "given among men".

YAHSHUA means YAH saves I believe.....

I think it is a marvel that we come here talking about our Creator and His name.. we seek Him and rightly so.. all the deception throughout history yet here we are in this world conversing and desiring Him... so wonderful... such a warm joy.. Come my LORD come...
 

JaumeJ

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One other name that could be a pre-evolved for of Jesus from Yesu from Iesous and finally from Yeshua is, believe it or not, Isaiah.

Isaiah from the Hebrew transliteration would be YeshiYahu. Salvation Yahweh. Just as Jesse, the father of Joshua was Yeshua. Just as Yeshi is Redeemer and Yahu is Yahweh. Yeshua or Yeshi Yahweh. The words are all there, but the times and the evolution of the names was different. Jusst as Yahoshua (Joshua) became Yeshua.......

It is not important except our intention. When we know the name in Hbrew we know it means the Salvation of the Self-Existing..........Yeshi.Yahweh.........Yeshiyahu? It is important we respect and revere our Savior and attempt to know what we are saying when we utter His blessed name, but I do not think He is concerned with any who truly love Him if they are linguistically correct in all they say about His name.

After all not one scholar since even before Jesus christ was ever accurate linguistically about the translation..........let someone say someone has been and you will find s self-deluded individual. Love our Savior, and you will do and not just say...amen
 

JaumeJ

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PS.......Joshua, the son of Num..........David the sone of Jesse...Yeshi....sorry, senior moment
 

Dan_473

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God's Word is 'eternal and timeless'! -
PS. 119:89.
LAMED. For ever, O LORD, Thy Word is settled in heaven.
LAMED = ABC...

ISA. 44:6.
Thus saith The LORD-YHWH The King of Israel, and His Redeemer, The LORD-YHWH, of Hosts;
I AM The First, and I AM The Last; and beside Me there is no God.!

Who is The Redeemer, and Who is The First and The Last?
"Redeemer" is used only in the ot, and is applied to the Lord (YHWH).

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=redeemer&version=NASB&resultspp=25



"First and Last" is applied both to the Lord (YHWH) and the Lord Jesus, I think.


YHWH is used about 7,000 times in the ot, zero in the new. Interestingly, even when quoting a passage where YHWH occurs, the apostles don't use it.


God's word is settled in heaven forever! Amen!
 

JohnTalmid

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YHWH occurs in the renewed covenant within the Eastern Aramaic renewed covenant. This predates the oldest Greek manuscripts by hundreds of years right up to the first century assembly. So to speak to you about the name of Elohim or even say it doesn't occur or matter is wrong. It happens to be shared through the earliest writings.
 
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YHWH occurs in the renewed covenant within the Eastern Aramaic renewed covenant. This predates the oldest Greek manuscripts by hundreds of years right up to the first century assembly. So to speak to you about the name of Elohim or even say it doesn't occur or matter is wrong. It happens to be shared through the earliest writings.
Always wondered why Aramiac words are in the OT as well as the NT.
 

loveme1

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PS.......Joshua, the son of Num..........David the sone of Jesse...Yeshi....sorry, senior moment
I have plenty of those moments Mr Jaumej... don't try the senior card.. hehe...
 

JaumeJ

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When I read the Word, OT, in Hebrew, the Books Ezra and Daniel are in Aramaic. Now only the first half of Daiel is in Aramaic the remaining chapters are written in Hebrew. This latter is because it is believed by "those scholars" that Daniel put down the words for the first half of the Book credited him while still living in Baylonia, and the second half he penned whi9le back in Israel.

No man knows for certain why these books have Aramaic, but it is similar enough to Hebrew to understand, with helps of course. There are also Aramaic words that pop up in the Hebrew test other than those two books so beware when or if you read in Hebrew. Hebrew is very easy once we hurdle that new alphabet (alephbet.) God bless you always, and may your Shabbat always be full of Shalom.........

Always wondered why Aramiac words are in the OT as well as the NT.
 

Dan_473

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YHWH occurs in the renewed covenant within the Eastern Aramaic renewed covenant. This predates the oldest Greek manuscripts by hundreds of years right up to the first century assembly. So to speak to you about the name of Elohim or even say it doesn't occur or matter is wrong. It happens to be shared through the earliest writings.
well, this is interesting!

what is the Eastern Aramaic renewed covenant, what is the oldest copy of it we have?

what is the oldest copy of the greek manuscripts we have?

I've heard the "Rylands" text, dates from about a.d. 150, so nothing would be predating that by hundreds of years.

let's research this together!
 

Dan_473

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found this, looked interesting

"These fragments now increase our holdings as follows: we have as many as eighteen New Testament manuscripts from the second century and one from the first. Altogether, more than 43% of all New Testament verses are found in these manuscripts. But the most interesting thing is the first-century fragment."

https://voice.dts.edu/article/wallace-new-testament-manscript-first-century/
 

JohnTalmid

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The Khabouris Codex is the oldest known Aramaic Codex. It is thought to be the words Yahshua Messiah spoke. Not to be confused with the confused with the gospel of Thomas, aka the book of Q. Though YHWH was not used, overwhelmingly the Peshitta dialect uses the singular form of Elohim, "Eloah". Also the shortened form Yah. This is completely normal when looking at the Peshitta Tanakh and NT where Yah is prefixed with the word Mar forming MarYah translated as Master YHWH. So there are times when Master or Lord is translated into English giving the impression of one thing when the word is pointing to another thing.

A decent example for this...
Acts 16:31-32
And they said to him: "Believe on the name of our Master Y'shua Messiah, and you will have life, you and your house." And they spoke the Word of Master YHWH to him, and to all the members of his house.

Here is what should be seen that Paul emissary to the nations taught the Word of YHWH, aka Torah, or instruction.
 
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it just seems so strange to me that the apostles never used it in any of their writings, yet many today feel that it's very important to use.

almost like, we need to help out the apostles, maybe they didn't fully understand like we do today.


but maybe that's just me.
yes they always wrote in greek Iesous never Yeshua or Yahshua or anything else........
 

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Abraham was the human type of God the Father,
and Isaac of Christ. There are many parallels.
 

JaumeJ

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It is nice to understand when using Abraham's name, especially in reference to our Savior using it, that Abraham translates a Father of Nations, some will say Father of a multitude. At least it comforts me when reading how we are of teh faith of Abraham, and we are also his children...........that is from Jesus.

Abraham was the human type of God the Father,
and Isaac of Christ. There are many parallels.