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[Dan_473]

Who is promoting only some commandments?

everyone who promotes performing the law today is promoting performing only some of the commandments, because some simply can't be done today.

for example, there is no levitical priest that one can show oneself to.

 

[Hizikyah]

everyone who promotes performing the law today is promoting performing only some of the commandments, because some simply can't be done today.

for example, there is no levitical priest that one can show oneself to.

Yeah... who needs levites....except the is a High Priest... Yahshua... ,nice try.

 

[phil36]

Yeah... who needs levites....except the is a High Priest... Yahshua... ,nice try.

And Yeshua was of the tribe of Judah.. the levite system gone.

 

[Endoscopy]

Thank you for the correction! When I was putting that togather I clearly combind "any other" into "any " rather than show "any" and "other";

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and (#G2087 ) any othercommandments aresummed up ( #G346 ) in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."


“any”is word #G5100 - tis: a certain one, someone, anyone, Original Word: τις, τι, Part of Speech: Indefinite Pronoun, Transliteration: tis, Phonetic Spelling: (tis), Short Definition: any one, some one, Definition: any one, some one, a certain one or thing.


“other”is word #G2087 - heteros
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the other, another, other, 1 to number,1a1) to number as opposed to some former person or thing,1a2) the other of two,1b) to quality,1b1) another: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind, different


“summed up” is word #G346 – anakephalaioó: to sum up, gather up, Original Word: ἀνακεφαλαιόω, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: anakephalaioó, Phonetic Spelling: (an-ak-ef-al-ah'-ee-om-ahee), Short Definition: I sum up, summarize, recapitulate, gather up in one, Definition: I sum up, summarize, recapitulate, gather up in one

To your next point;

So does pleroo abolish? Because if we read one more verss in Mat 5, Yahshua/Jesus says noting will pass from the Law unless heaven and earth pass and all is perfected? Did this already happen?

You selected a single verse from Matthew 5. It is a bad idea to use just single verses. Context is needed. Verse 17 for example is important to this issue. Context is always important.

Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV


Salt and Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.


14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.


The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Dan_473]

Yeah... who needs levites....except the is a High Priest... Yahshua... ,nice try.

that strikes me as a rather impolite answer.

If you've gotten tired of the discussion, we can stop.

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I believe it says "Aaron the priest, or unto one of his sons the priests".

do you believe it must be the high priest?

 

[Hizikyah]

that strikes me as a rather impolite answer.

If you've gotten tired of the discussion, we can stop.

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I believe it says "Aaron the priest, or unto one of his sons the priests".

do you believe it must be the high priest?

I didnt mean it in a rude way, honestly I thought it silly beacause I have gone over this so many timews, I say the Law of Yah is valid;

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”

Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

any many say you need levites? No sir Yahshua is High Priest.

Also can you clarify this question, aaron was a high priest, and yes his line were fleashly priests, Yahshua is now High Priest, clarification would be appreciated.

I believe it says "Aaron the priest, or unto one of his sons the priests".

do you believe it must be the high priest?

 

[Studyman]

=Dan_473;3305061]

I have carefully read and studied the Bible for many years, yet have come to very different conclusions than yourself. What is the way out of the alleged deception if not careful reading and studying the Bible?

Very good question. How is it LGF and others, including myself, can read the same Book you do, and come to a different conclusion.

The very same question could be asked by the Pharisees of Jesus and Paul and Peter's time, yes?

I mean here are the Mainstream preachers of Christ's time claiming to be Children of God, Children of Abraham.

John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?


They claimed belief on the God of Abraham, they claimed to be in bondage to no man. But what did Jesus tell them?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


There is more on this engagement between Jesus and the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His time in John 8.

Certainly the Pharisees studied the bible as it existed then. AS did Jesus.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yet these two factions, Jesus and the Mainstream preachers of His time had almost opposite understandings of the Bible.

It is fair to say not all Jews of that time had the same understanding as the Mainstream Preachers.


Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

So there seems to be a trend here.

The Mainstream Preachers claimed to be God's people, they read God's Words, yet they "Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own doctrines and traditions."

There is no indication that Zacharias or Jesus did this.

So we have one example of understanding that was gained by study in obedience to the instruction, ( Zacharias and Jesus)

And another example of study in disobedience to the instruction. (Mainstream preachers of that time)

There were more than just Zacharias.

Matt. 2: 1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.


Here is another example of people who had a completely different understanding than the Mainstream preachers of that time. Is it wrong to assume that they, like Zacharias, also studied in obedience to the instruction?

And Peter, which side of this topic did he fall on?

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

I have carefully read and studied the Bible for many years, yet have come to very different conclusions than yourself. What is the way out of the alleged deception if not careful reading and studying the Bible?

There is only one difference between the examples in the Bible who understood God, and those who did not.

And it was because one example refused to obey the instruction of God, and created their own instructions, and the other example did not.

So fast forward to today. WE have a Mainstream Christian teaching that "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions and doctrines."

This is not a judgment, rather, a simple fact.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Sabbath Commandment and replace it with the Catholic Sabbath.

It is Mainstream Christian tradition to transgress God's Holy Days and replace them with Catholic high days.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to create images of God in the likeness of some long haired men's shampoo model, transgressing the first and greatest commandment.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Food Laws, and create their own definition of clean and unclean.

So it seems that even today, if a person studies in obedience to God's simple instructions he see's the scripture one way.

If a person studies scripture in transgression to God's simple instructions, he sees the scripture in another way.

I believe what Peter taught, that the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) is given to those who do not "Transgress the Commandments of God by their own religious doctrines and traditions, and it seems LGF believes the same.

But I also know from Peter and Jesus that this belief will infuriate "many" who come in Christ's/God's name.

"When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them."

"22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

My hope is that you might consider these words and understand.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (Is it evil or righteous to transgress the commandments of God by doctrines and traditions of men?)


20 For every one that doeth evil(Transgress God's Commandments by their own Traditions) hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Is this why the Mainstream preachers of Peters time set about to kill or silence Peter, so he wouldn't expose their transgression of God's Commandments?

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest,.(let your light shine) that they are wrought in God.

So a circle complete once again. Those who live a doctrine created (wrought) by God have a different understanding than those who live a doctrine created by man.

Very honest, bold question you asked Dan. Not many would dare to ask such a question fearing the answer.

I hope you might consider my take on this good question.

 

[Studyman]

everyone who promotes performing the law today is promoting performing only some of the commandments, because some simply can't be done today.

for example, there is no levitical priest that one can show oneself to.

I seems you may be mistaken. There is no other way into heaven but through the High Priest. Whether it is now Jesus, or before a Levite, we must "show ourselves to the High Priest". And this "high Priest" which was to come from Judah, House of King David, which was told us in the Old Testament long before any New Testament writings.

So showing ourselves to the Messiah for remission of sins is part of the Law and Prophets.

This is not a good example of a commandment we can't follow.

 

[Hizikyah]

I seems you may be mistaken. There is no other way into heaven but through the High Priest. Whether it is now Jesus, or before a Levite, we must "show ourselves to the High Priest". And this "high Priest" which was to come from Judah, House of King David, which was told us in the Old Testament long before any New Testament writings.

So showing ourselves to the Messiah for remission of sins is part of the Law and Prophets.

This is not a good example of a commandment we can't follow.

1 Timothy 2:5, “For there is one Father and one Mediator between the Father and men, the Man Messiah יהושע,”

Hebrews 7:24-25, “but He, because He remains forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. Therefore He is also able to save completely those who draw near to YHWH through Him, ever living to make intercession for them.”

Hebrews 4:1-15, "Seeing then that we have a great High Priest Who has ascended into the heavens: Yahshua the Son of YHWH, let us hold fast our profession. For we do not have a High Priest Who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all ways tempted as we are, yet was without sin."

 

[Dan_473]

I didnt mean it in a rude way, honestly I thought it silly beacause I have gone over this so many timews, I say the Law of Yah is valid;

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

Matthew 5:17-18, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.”

Revelation 21:1-2, “And I saw a renewed heaven and a renewed earth, for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. And I, Yoḥanan, saw the set-apart city, renewed Yerushalayim, coming down out of the heaven from Yah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

any many say you need levites? No sir Yahshua is High Priest.

Also can you clarify this question, aaron was a high priest, and yes his line were fleashly priests, Yahshua is now High Priest, clarification would be appreciated.

Aaron had sons that were priests, but not high priests. Does the law say bring the person with the skin blemish to the high priest? or just the priest?

if we take the number of 600,000 fighting men in the wilderness, that gives a population of several million. It would be quite a job for a single person to inspect everyone with a blemish, every garment, etc.

 

[Hizikyah]

Aaron had sons that were priests, but not high priests. Does the law say bring the person with the skin blemish to the high priest? or just the priest?

if we take the number of 600,000 fighting men in the wilderness, that gives a population of several million. It would be quite a job for a single person to inspect everyone with a blemish, every garment, etc.

Yet man is finite, Yahshua is not, how could He hear everyones prayer at once? You are making strawman arguments. One of Yahshua's roles is to make intercession for us.

 

[Dan_473]

=Dan_473;3305061]


Very good question. How is it LGF and others, including myself, can read the same Book you do, and come to a different conclusion.

The very same question could be asked by the Pharisees of Jesus and Paul and Peter's time, yes?

I mean here are the Mainstream preachers of Christ's time claiming to be Children of God, Children of Abraham.

John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?


They claimed belief on the God of Abraham, they claimed to be in bondage to no man. But what did Jesus tell them?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.


There is more on this engagement between Jesus and the Mainstream God of Abraham preachers of His time in John 8.

Certainly the Pharisees studied the bible as it existed then. AS did Jesus.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yet these two factions, Jesus and the Mainstream preachers of His time had almost opposite understandings of the Bible.

It is fair to say not all Jews of that time had the same understanding as the Mainstream Preachers.


Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

So there seems to be a trend here.

The Mainstream Preachers claimed to be God's people, they read God's Words, yet they "Transgressed the Commandments of God by their own doctrines and traditions."

There is no indication that Zacharias or Jesus did this.

So we have one example of understanding that was gained by study in obedience to the instruction, ( Zacharias and Jesus)

And another example of study in disobedience to the instruction. (Mainstream preachers of that time)

There were more than just Zacharias.

Matt. 2: 1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.


Here is another example of people who had a completely different understanding than the Mainstream preachers of that time. Is it wrong to assume that they, like Zacharias, also studied in obedience to the instruction?

And Peter, which side of this topic did he fall on?

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.




There is only one difference between the examples in the Bible who understood God, and those who did not.

And it was because one example refused to obey the instruction of God, and created their own instructions, and the other example did not.

So fast forward to today. WE have a Mainstream Christian teaching that "Transgresses the Commandments of God by their own traditions and doctrines."

This is not a judgment, rather, a simple fact.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Sabbath Commandment and replace it with the Catholic Sabbath.

It is Mainstream Christian tradition to transgress God's Holy Days and replace them with Catholic high days.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to create images of God in the likeness of some long haired men's shampoo model, transgressing the first and greatest commandment.

It is Mainstream Christian Tradition to transgress God's Food Laws, and create their own definition of clean and unclean.

So it seems that even today, if a person studies in obedience to God's simple instructions he see's the scripture one way.

If a person studies scripture in transgression to God's simple instructions, he sees the scripture in another way.

I believe what Peter taught, that the Holy Spirit (Spirit of Truth) is given to those who do not "Transgress the Commandments of God by their own religious doctrines and traditions, and it seems LGF believes the same.

But I also know from Peter and Jesus that this belief will infuriate "many" who come in Christ's/God's name.

"When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them."

"22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

My hope is that you might consider these words and understand.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (Is it evil or righteous to transgress the commandments of God by doctrines and traditions of men?)


20 For every one that doeth evil(Transgress God's Commandments by their own Traditions) hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Is this why the Mainstream preachers of Peters time set about to kill or silence Peter, so he wouldn't expose their transgression of God's Commandments?

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest,.(let your light shine) that they are wrought in God.

So a circle complete once again. Those who live a doctrine created (wrought) by God have a different understanding than those who live a doctrine created by man.

Very honest, bold question you asked Dan. Not many would dare to ask such a question fearing the answer.

I hope you might consider my take on this good question.

And it was because one example refused to obey the instruction of God, and created their own instructions, and the other example did not.

One thing I see is that this presupposes the one knows the instruction of God.

Every person on this thread probably believes they are the ones who truly know it. Each person believes they are the ones who have God's instructions,



consider
what does it take to become a Christian? and to receive the Spirit?
When the Holy Spirit comes into a person, does the Spirit then begin to lead that person?

and each person believes they are the ones who have God's instructions, truly understand the Bible, are earnest and sincere.

why, then, do things like this thread even exist, if we are all led by the same Spirit? Well, for many, the obvious answer is that those who disagree with them must not be earnest and sincere, are giving in to fleshly lusts, etc. Or perhaps God has not yet opened their eyes to the truth.

I think that view is the work of the flesh known as "heresies" or "factions". My group is right, everyone else is not sincere.


I believe that we (all who call upon the name of the Lord Jesus) are being conformed to the image of Christ.

That's why it's good to exchange views here. As iron sharpens iron, so we are sharpened by each other.

 

[JohnTalmid]

Thats good, I hope we ll know right from wrong.

However the Question still stands.


What makes you right with God? How are you Just before God? And how?

What makes us right with God?
Little children, let no one lead you astray; the one practicing righteousness is righteous, just as He ... Also
1 John 3:10 that children of God practice righteousness, and those who do not are children of the Devil.

How are we just before God?
I think you mean "justified" so...
Rom 3.24—“being freely justified by His grace through the redemption that is in Messiah Yahshua .”
We are Justified through the Faith and Grace if we Live in Messiah.
In another place Messiah says he is the Word.
Finally how?
Because YHWH loved the world He sent the Son, Word, Way, Instruction for our redemption. God doesn't love the way of the world but gives us the way of love through the Word so we may choose to live in it and its blessing, (happiness) or live under the curse and find death at its end.

We can know of a certain Hope through Faith, or you can know of a certain Hope and never partake of it. What are these laws of God? To do us good and not evil if you believe.

 

[Dan_473]

I seems you may be mistaken. There is no other way into heaven but through the High Priest. Whether it is now Jesus, or before a Levite, we must "show ourselves to the High Priest". And this "high Priest" which was to come from Judah, House of King David, which was told us in the Old Testament long before any New Testament writings.

So showing ourselves to the Messiah for remission of sins is part of the Law and Prophets.

This is not a good example of a commandment we can't follow.

One shows oneself to the priest for skin conditions.

Leviticus 13 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying,

2 When a man shall have in the skin of his flesh a rising, a scab, or bright spot, and it be in the skin of his flesh like the plague of leprosy; then he shall be brought unto Aaron the priest, or unto one of his sons the priests:

3 And the priest shall look on the plague in the skin of the flesh: and when the hair in the plague is turned white, and the plague in sight be deeper than the skin of his flesh, it is a plague of leprosy: and the priest shall look on him, and pronounce him unclean.

in your understanding, does Jesus fill this role?

 

[Dan_473]

Yet man is finite, Yahshua is not, how could He hear everyones prayer at once? You are making strawman arguments. One of Yahshua's roles is to make intercession for us.

does Yashua examine your skin blemish?

and

If the bright spot be white in the skin of his flesh, and in sight be not deeper than the skin, and the hair thereof be not turned white; then the priest shall shut up him that hath the plague seven days.

 

[Hizikyah]

One shows oneself to the priest for skin conditions.

Leviticus 13 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying,

2 When a man shall have in the skin of his flesh a rising, a scab, or bright spot, and it be in the skin of his flesh like the plague of leprosy; then he shall be brought unto Aaron the priest, or unto one of his sons the priests:

3 And the priest shall look on the plague in the skin of the flesh: and when the hair in the plague is turned white, and the plague in sight be deeper than the skin of his flesh, it is a plague of leprosy: and the priest shall look on him, and pronounce him unclean.

in your understanding, does Jesus fill this role?

does Yashua examine your skin blemish?

and

If the bright spot be white in the skin of his flesh, and in sight be not deeper than the skin, and the hair thereof be not turned white; then the priest shall shut up him that hath the plague seven days.

You are trying very hard to discredt the Law of the Most High.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:103-105, “How sweet to my taste has Your word been, More than honey to my mouth! From Your orders I get understanding; Therefore I have hated every false way. Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.”

are you claiming the Yahshua can't fulfill His duties? what is this hair splitting? Lets consider, if someone had aids should they go around and infect others or should they do as scripture says and cover their mouth and not endangertheir brother?

but you rather than taking the lesson in the Law, you try to find fault in it. mayYah have mercy on you for you don't understand what you do.

Yes Yahshua can heal anyone and He can inspect anyone,He knows heir deeds, thoughts, everything, how could He not do this?

[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 6:16, “Thus said YHWH, “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves. But they said, ‘We do not walk in it.’”[/FONT]

 

[Studyman]

One shows oneself to the priest for skin conditions.

Leviticus 13 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, saying,

2 When a man shall have in the skin of his flesh a rising, a scab, or bright spot, and it be in the skin of his flesh like the plague of leprosy; then he shall be brought unto Aaron the priest, or unto one of his sons the priests:

3 And the priest shall look on the plague in the skin of the flesh: and when the hair in the plague is turned white, and the plague in sight be deeper than the skin of his flesh, it is a plague of leprosy: and the priest shall look on him, and pronounce him unclean.

in your understanding, does Jesus fill this role?

Your lack of knowledge regarding Christ's parables and the Spiritual intent of God's Holy Instruction does not make the truth in my post void. If you have found another way into the Kingdom of heaven besides our High Priest, then good for you. But I'm sticking with the Messiah and HIS instruction.

 

[Studyman]

One thing I see is that this presupposes the one knows the instruction of God.

Every person on this thread probably believes they are the ones who truly know it. Each person believes they are the ones who have God's instructions,



consider
what does it take to become a Christian? and to receive the Spirit?
When the Holy Spirit comes into a person, does the Spirit then begin to lead that person?

and each person believes they are the ones who have God's instructions, truly understand the Bible, are earnest and sincere.

why, then, do things like this thread even exist, if we are all led by the same Spirit? Well, for many, the obvious answer is that those who disagree with them must not be earnest and sincere, are giving in to fleshly lusts, etc. Or perhaps God has not yet opened their eyes to the truth.

I think that view is the work of the flesh known as "heresies" or "factions". My group is right, everyone else is not sincere.


I believe that we (all who call upon the name of the Lord Jesus) are being conformed to the image of Christ.

That's why it's good to exchange views here. As iron sharpens iron, so we are sharpened by each other.

So then should we just pick the biggest crowd? Shall we choose the Path with the most people on it? Or shall we take a leap of Faith and follow the examples God gave that the "many" who come in His name reject? Was their not a "mainstream" religion of Christ's time that claimed the God of Abraham as their God just like there is a "mainstream" religion of our time claiming Jesus as their God?

And didn't they all, in their own sects, believe they were right just as you and I do? Isn't that the very core of my post?

Iron can't sharpen iron unless the blades touch. And you never even addressed my post. That is fine, but if you are going to ignore views why exchange them?

 

[Iconoclast]

Hizikyah;

This article is nonsense, it is not founded in Scripture but rather non Biblical ideas;

The article is biblical.Because you do not grasp what Sinclair Ferguson and others teach here does not change it.

“Since Augustine, Christians have recognized...”

this is a historical note showing how it has been understood.

So since Augustine all Christians foo low his nonsense?

I guess they did not get to read your posts instead

John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 - poimén)."

So...you feel the need to write...Yahanan???/ Do you think this is impressive or something...Is this a messianic site,? This posting of Hebrew names, doing the g-d...instead of God does not fly here..

“We are familiar with echoes of this in the Westminster Confession of Faith...”

Is it Scripture? No? Who cares then…

It is loaded with scripture so it looks like someone is not informed here....I think I know who it is.

Acts 5:29, "And Kĕpha and the other emissaries answering, said, “We have to obey YHWH rather than men.”

Peter said that also...
29 [FONT=&quot]Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men...
[/FONT]said we should OBEY GOD.

“And whatever was temporary about the Mosaic Sabbath must be left behind as the reality of the intimate communion of the Adamic Sabbath is again experienced in our worship of the risen Savior on the first day of the week&mdash the Lord’sDay...”

yes....new creation rest.....

Hizikyah

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I am in America...we worship God...
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Also known as YHWH the great tetragamation of God's name, adding vowels becomes Yahweh. Your ignorance is being shown. ​

You post this as if this is a secret, or i do not know about it??? Your superstitions have no impact on me . This forum is in english...not hebrew, greek, or aramaic.

[FONT=&quot]We need to trust and obey Yah and His word, no matter if we think Gentiles[/FONT][FONT=&quot] are outside Yah's promises or Yah's Commands have been altered, His word, His way, let Yah tell the truth and let every man be a liar.[/FONT]

Gentiles are going to form the majority of the one true Church that assembles on the last day....gentiles worldwide...every tribe kindred , tongue, nation...The Israel of God now is both jew and gentile in case you did not get the memo from Ephesians 2.... post superstition , and changing english into Hebrews does not reverse MT 21;43

The Servant of the Lord...Isa 49;1-8 has one body from all the world, not Israel only.​

 

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Your quoting of these scriptures is insulting. Again you lecture in ignorance!!!

You are misguided my friend....The ignorance seems to be you are ignornant of the Israel of God....
Jesus the Elect Servant of the Lord Isa 49-53....as the head of all believers for all time...Our Eternal High Priest,prophet , and King....
Unbelieving jews...covenant breakers, broken off in unbelief...believing gentiles grafted in...That is the story...not people denying believing gentiles are part a central part of God's eternal plan...made known to the New Covenant Church, of which the nation of israel was but a type.
[FONT=&quot]11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

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[FONT=&quot]5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus [/FONT]