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By this form of reason one might say he is convinced by the law that he cannot keep it, this is true, but then go on to say, since the law no longer counts, I am perfectly ok to live in sin.

The difference between how the law was seen with the veil of Moses,
andhow the law is seen now is the teaching of Jesus Christ.

The veil removed shows us just how mkuch of the law survives Christ's fulfilling them.

There will never be an abolishing of the Ten Commandments, although so many wish to amend them.

The law, now on my heart, is a beautiful writing filled with love and wisdom, and fortelling of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ tells us to learn from Him for His yoke is easy, His burden is light, yet, so many wish to think they have all the problems of the Galatians, the Corinthians, the Romand, etc.......perhaps some to, but learning from the Master, like Paul and the Apostles, is a gift for any of us if we but receive it.

Do not say the law is unll and void because that is simply not true. I live in the mercy and grace of God, and I know by the Holy Spirit the law is not there to be broken, not in writing with understanding from the spirit for that has placed itin my heart and in the hearts of all who truly believe Jesus Christ.

Do not teach the law is abolished for one simple reason; Jesus does not teach this.
Absolutely correct. Jesus taught that the law will last until the heavens and earth disappear.

Matthew 5:17 to 20 NIV


The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
 

JaumeJ

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Oh! It is you again.

You already know what I have conveyed from Jesus Christ's own teaching..

For you to continue in your futile endeavour of contention is simply that, futile.


Absolutely correct. Jesus taught that the law will last until the heavens and earth disappear.

Matthew 5:17 to 20 NIV


The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
 

MarcR

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By this form of reason one might say he is convinced by the law that he cannot keep it, this is true, but then go on to say, since the law no longer counts, I am perfectly ok to live in sin.

The difference between how the law was seen with the veil of Moses,
andhow the law is seen now is the teaching of Jesus Christ.

The veil removed shows us just how mkuch of the law survives Christ's fulfilling them.

There will never be an abolishing of the Ten Commandments, although so many wish to amend them.

The law, now on my heart, is a beautiful writing filled with love and wisdom, and fortelling of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ tells us to learn from Him for His yoke is easy, His burden is light, yet, so many wish to think they have all the problems of the Galatians, the Corinthians, the Romand, etc.......perhaps some to, but learning from the Master, like Paul and the Apostles, is a gift for any of us if we but receive it.

Do not say the law is unll and void because that is simply not true. I live in the mercy and grace of God, and I know by the Holy Spirit the law is not there to be broken, not in writing with understanding from the spirit for that has placed itin my heart and in the hearts of all who truly believe Jesus Christ.

Do not teach the law is abolished for one simple reason; Jesus does not teach this.
I don't think that any of us who realize that we cannot obey the Law feel free to live in sin.

The Holy Spirit within us causes us to will and to do God's good pleasure.

Php 2:13
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV
 

Nehemiah6

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To think that the Law of the Spirit has any disagreement with The Law, (aka Torah or Instruction) is missing the point entirely of the so called "new covenant". The proper translation of The Torah, (aka Law) is Instruction, and the proper translation of the "new covenant" is actually the renewed covenant.
Why are you trying to FALSIFY Bible truth?

The New Covenant is NOT a renewed covenant at all, but a New Covenant since there a a world of difference between the blood of bulls and calves and goats and the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ -- the blood of God!

We know that all the critical texts and the modern English Bible versions have CORRUPTED Matthew 26:28 and omitted the word "new" from the text. But the traditional Greek text and the Reformation Bibles all have the word "new", not "renewed".

TRADITIONAL GREEK TEXTS
τοῦτο γάρ ἐστιν τὸ αἷμά μου, τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης, τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.τοῦτο γάρ ἐστι τὸ αἷμά μου τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
τοῦτο γάρ ἐστι τὸ αἷμά μου, τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης, τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.τοῦτο γάρ ἐστιν τὸ αἷμά μου τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν

REFORMATION BIBLES AND SOME OTHERS

King James Bible

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

International Standard Version
because this is my blood of the new covenant that is being poured out for many people for the forgiveness of sins.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed in exchange for the many for the release of sins.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.

World English Bible
for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.

Young's Literal Translation
for this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins;
want dit is My bloed, van die Nuwe Verbond, wat vir baie uitgestort word tot vryspraak van sondes,

Mattheüs 26:28 Dutch Staten Vertaling
Want dat is Mijn bloed, het bloed des Nieuwen Testaments, hetwelk voor velen vergoten wordt, tot vergeving der zonden.

Matthieu 26:28 French: Martin (1744)
Car ceci est mon sang, le [sang] du Nouveau Testament, qui est répandu pour plusieurs en rémission des péchés.

Das ist mein Blut des Neuen Testaments, welches vergossen wird für viele zur Vergebung der Sünden.das ist mein Blut des neuen Testaments, welches vergossen wird für viele zur Vergebung der Sünden.

Mateo 26:28 Spanish: La Biblia de las Américas
porque esto es mi sangre del nuevo pacto, que es derramada por muchos para el perdón de los pecados.
porque esto es Mi sangre del nuevo pacto, que es derramada por muchos para el perdón de los pecados.porque esto es mi sangre del nuevo testamento, la cual es derramada por muchos para remisión de pecados.Porque esto es mi sangre del nuevo pacto, la cual es derramada por muchos para remisión de los pecados.

All of these are in accordance with the epistle to the Hebrews, which clearly distinguishes the Old Covenant from the New Covenant, and shows us why the New Covenant is INFINITELY BETTER than the Old Covenant.

11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament [not "renewed testament], that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that wereunder the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Heb 9:11-28).
 
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Hizikyah

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new or renewed Scripture tells us:


Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.


Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth.

He has remembered His covenant forever,

The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations,

The covenant He made with Aḇraham,

And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it

to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law,

To Yisra’
yl – an everlasting covenant.


those in Messiah are a part of the Covenant made with Abraham:


Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”


The Covenant with Abraham is the same Covenant that was offered to Issac, Jacob and Israyl:


Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.



That is why Paul said:


Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."


There is a theology that says there are many different Covenants made with different people, Scripture has just shown this is not accurate, but rather one covenant made for all man kind.


Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”[/FONT]


"[FONT=Times New Roman, serif] My covenant will stand fast with Him."

"My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips.
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By this form of reason one might say he is convinced by the law that he cannot keep it, this is true, but then go on to say, since the law no longer counts, I am perfectly ok to live in sin.

previously addressed by Paul.

What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
(Romans 6:1-4)

look at his argument: why not go on sinning?
because we are dead in Christ in order to have life in Him.
in chapter 6, he tells us about a dozen times we are dead. it seems like a pretty important point, wouldn't you say?

and then have a look at chapter 7, after he is done using the '
baseball bat' method to hammer home the reality of our death in Christ: this is the result, that having died the Law no longer has any power of us any longer, whatsoever - and that regardless of what the corpse we now abide in desires.
then look at chapter 8 -- there is therefore no more condemnation for us, in Christ. therefore? what's the preceding argument whose conclusion is that there isn't any more condemnation for us?

it is that we have died in Christ, and so the Law has no more jurisdiction over us. therefore there cannot be any condemnation, because the Law condemns, but whoever has died, is not under law.

it is not because "
we keep the Law therefore there's no condemnation" -- but read the rest of Romans: Paul surely does not encourage or approve of going on living in sin, but the reason we do not is not because of threat of condemnation any more than it is in order to be justified by it. that supposed threat of condemnation is the disease spreading through all these sabbath threads, the poisonous tradition of men who do not comprehend the way in which Christ has saved us: by immersion into His death, which sets us free - which is the only way to become free. the human tradition is to add works to grace, as though once being approved by grace, by works we perfect ourselves. why? to boast, to judge?

do good because of who you are, not because of who you hope to make yourself out to be. already His sacrifice has perfected us forever -- does He need to be crucified again??


 

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Why are you trying to FALSIFY Bible truth?

The New Covenant is NOT a renewed covenant at all, but a New Covenant since there a a world of difference between the blood of bulls and calves and goats and the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ -- the blood of God!

We know that all the critical texts and the modern English Bible versions have CORRUPTED Matthew 26:28 and omitted the word "new" from the text. But the traditional Greek text and the Reformation Bibles all have the word "new", not "renewed".

TRADITIONAL GREEK TEXTS
τοῦτο γάρ ἐστιν τὸ αἷμά μου, τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης, τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.τοῦτο γάρ ἐστι τὸ αἷμά μου τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
τοῦτο γάρ ἐστι τὸ αἷμά μου, τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης, τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.τοῦτο γάρ ἐστιν τὸ αἷμά μου τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν

REFORMATION BIBLES AND SOME OTHERS

King James Bible

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

International Standard Version
because this is my blood of the new covenant that is being poured out for many people for the forgiveness of sins.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed in exchange for the many for the release of sins.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.

World English Bible
for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.

Young's Literal Translation
for this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins;
want dit is My bloed, van die Nuwe Verbond, wat vir baie uitgestort word tot vryspraak van sondes,

Mattheüs 26:28 Dutch Staten Vertaling
Want dat is Mijn bloed, het bloed des Nieuwen Testaments, hetwelk voor velen vergoten wordt, tot vergeving der zonden.

Matthieu 26:28 French: Martin (1744)
Car ceci est mon sang, le [sang] du Nouveau Testament, qui est répandu pour plusieurs en rémission des péchés.

Das ist mein Blut des Neuen Testaments, welches vergossen wird für viele zur Vergebung der Sünden.das ist mein Blut des neuen Testaments, welches vergossen wird für viele zur Vergebung der Sünden.

Mateo 26:28 Spanish: La Biblia de las Américas
porque esto es mi sangre del nuevo pacto, que es derramada por muchos para el perdón de los pecados.
porque esto es Mi sangre del nuevo pacto, que es derramada por muchos para el perdón de los pecados.porque esto es mi sangre del nuevo testamento, la cual es derramada por muchos para remisión de pecados.Porque esto es mi sangre del nuevo pacto, la cual es derramada por muchos para remisión de los pecados.

All of these are in accordance with the epistle to the Hebrews, which clearly distinguishes the Old Covenant from the New Covenant, and shows us why the New Covenant is INFINITELY BETTER than the Old Covenant.

11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament [not "renewed testament], that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that wereunder the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Heb 9:11-28).
Instead of looking for the answer at a conclusion point go to the beginning of the truth and find out what is meant. You seem to quick to judge saying that I believe that the Law of Elohim has some how been renewed. No what I am saying is truth is that word not our understanding.
Let us first study the words that we would most likely use the most: “new” and “covenant.” Let’s start from the word that is translated as “new”. In the Hebrew scriptures, we find the word חֲדָשָֽׁה׃ (“haDasah”). The lemma (dictionary form) of the word is חָדָשׁ (“hadas” or “chadash”) that is marked as Strong’s #2319. When used as an adjective, it is “chadash” but when it is used as a noun it is the word “chodesh”. We already know “chodesh”as “new moon” or month. The verb of the word (chadash)is translated as “to renew” as seen in 1 Samuel 11:14 or “restored” as can be seen in 2 Chron 15:8. It is interesting to note that this word does not appear in the Torah (first 5 books). When looking up the adjective form of the word (as is the use here) in the lexicons 1 you will find that has two related meanings:

That what is recent (not old) – young or new
That what was not previously known
This indicates that the covenant being referred to here, can either be a renewal of the existing covenant, or it can be a covenant that did not previously exist. Thus, we will need to use the context to try to determine exactly which one of the two is most applicable in this specific case. What we learn about the “new” covenant from this phrase is:

it is not like the previous
“this is the covenant” indicating the content that will be contained in the covenant
These two bits of information give us the clue that this covenant does not exist independent of the previous two. If we look into the content of the renewed covenant, the connection to the earlier two covenants can easily been seen in “I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people” and “My law.” This is a clear link to the Sinai covenant.
 

posthuman

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Instead of looking for the answer at a conclusion point go to the beginning of the truth and find out what is meant. You seem to quick to judge saying that I believe that the Law of Elohim has some how been renewed. No what I am saying is truth is that word not our understanding.
Let us first study the words that we would most likely use the most: “new” and “covenant.” Let’s start from the word that is translated as “new”. In the Hebrew scriptures, we find the word חֲדָשָֽׁה׃ (“haDasah”). The lemma (dictionary form) of the word is חָדָשׁ (“hadas” or “chadash”) that is marked as Strong’s #2319. When used as an adjective, it is “chadash” but when it is used as a noun it is the word “chodesh”. We already know “chodesh”as “new moon” or month. The verb of the word (chadash)is translated as “to renew” as seen in 1 Samuel 11:14 or “restored” as can be seen in 2 Chron 15:8. It is interesting to note that this word does not appear in the Torah (first 5 books). When looking up the adjective form of the word (as is the use here) in the lexicons 1 you will find that has two related meanings:

That what is recent (not old) – young or new
That what was not previously known
This indicates that the covenant being referred to here, can either be a renewal of the existing covenant, or it can be a covenant that did not previously exist. Thus, we will need to use the context to try to determine exactly which one of the two is most applicable in this specific case. What we learn about the “new” covenant from this phrase is:

it is not like the previous
“this is the covenant” indicating the content that will be contained in the covenant
These two bits of information give us the clue that this covenant does not exist independent of the previous two. If we look into the content of the renewed covenant, the connection to the earlier two covenants can easily been seen in “I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people” and “My law.” This is a clear link to the Sinai covenant.

It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt
(Jeremiah 31:32)

sweet, problem already solved -- it's new, not like the first

anyone still concerned about arguments over words? okay - lucky for us this is quoted in Greek in the epistle to the Hebrews:

The days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.
(Hebrews 8:8)

kainos: new, fresh
Original Word: καινός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: kainos
Phonetic Spelling: (kahee-nos')
Short Definition: fresh, new
Definition: fresh, new, unused, novel.

HELPS Word-studies
2537 kainós – properly, new in quality (innovation), fresh in development or opportunity – because "not found exactly like this before."

we don't have to wonder what a Hebrew word with dual usage means; the same Holy Spirit inspired it also in Greek.

 

JohnTalmid

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It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt
(Jeremiah 31:32)

sweet, problem already solved -- it's new, not like the first

anyone still concerned about arguments over words? okay - lucky for us this is quoted in Greek in the epistle to the Hebrews:

The days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.
(Hebrews 8:8)

kainos: new, fresh
Original Word: καινός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: kainos
Phonetic Spelling: (kahee-nos')
Short Definition: fresh, new
Definition: fresh, new, unused, novel.

HELPS Word-studies
2537 kainós – properly, new in quality (innovation), fresh in development or opportunity – because "not found exactly like this before."

we don't have to wonder what a Hebrew word with dual usage means; the same Holy Spirit inspired it also in Greek.

What is new about the covenant is the Law. Instead of written on the tables of stone the commandment of YHWH are written on the heart of the believer and the heart is renewed. This is what is written about when we read, it is no longer I but sin housed inside me that sins.
 

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Oh! It is you again.

You already know what I have conveyed from Jesus Christ's own teaching..

For you to continue in your futile endeavour of contention is simply that, futile.
You are ludicrous with your inability to understand English. My first sentence was agreement with you and quoting the scripture saying it. How is that in contention. Do you need remedial help with English?? What do you think "absolutely correct" means?
 
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What is new about the covenant is the Law. Instead of written on the tables of stone the commandment of YHWH are written on the heart of the believer and the heart is renewed. This is what is written about when we read, it is no longer I but sin housed inside me that sins.
I believe you should dig a little deeper into the meaning of the New Covenant, since it is not only the Law written on the hearts on minds of God's people, but it is firstly a matter of regeneration by the Holy Spirit. "They shall know me" indicates a personal relationship with the living God and the gift of eternal life.

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (Ezek 36:25-27). [Spirit capitalized for the Holy Spirit]

This is speaking about the New Birth (John 3:3-5). A New Birth is followed by new hearts and minds. But there is even more to the New Covenant in that the blood of Christ is applied to the sinners souls for cleansing and for the forgiveness of sins. Sins were merely covered in the Old Covenant, but in the New Covenant they are TAKEN AWAY. So what you really need to do is carefully study the epistle to the Hebrews to understand how much more excellent is the New Covenant than the Old.
 

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I believe you should dig a little deeper into the meaning of the New Covenant, since it is not only the Law written on the hearts on minds of God's people, but it is firstly a matter of regeneration by the Holy Spirit. "They shall know me" indicates a personal relationship with the living God and the gift of eternal life.

Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (Ezek 36:25-27). [Spirit capitalized for the Holy Spirit]

This is speaking about the New Birth (John 3:3-5). A New Birth is followed by new hearts and minds. But there is even more to the New Covenant in that the blood of Christ is applied to the sinners souls for cleansing and for the forgiveness of sins. Sins were merely covered in the Old Covenant, but in the New Covenant they are TAKEN AWAY. So what you really need to do is carefully study the epistle to the Hebrews to understand how much more excellent is the New Covenant than the Old.
This however is my point. The renewal is just that, a renewed heart, mind, and even body by way of grace through faith. This is just the beginning of the glorious gift we have been promised.
Sanctification through applying the word by faith is our reasonable sacrifice after all. Sabbath observance, by the way in part is edification to the believer. Most would say the opposite of evil is good, however I know the opposite of evil is peace. Just as twisting the nose causes it to bleed, so does a contentious person bring strife within a group.
My goal is not to be a hater of people, my goal is to share with you Love of the Father that overcomes.
 

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If things feel tedious or like work avoiding working on the Sabbath, you are not resting.

It really is ok to fold those clothes or pick up after an accident.......just do it with the Lord's help.
 

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Is the Sabbath the great separating truth that will decide who the true believers are? According to the prophet Ellen White, the Sabbath is what separates real believers from false believers:

"I saw that the holy Sabbath is, and will be, the separating wall between the true Israel of God and unbelievers; and that the Sabbath is the great question to unite the hearts of God's dear, waiting saints."

Such a teaching is contrary to the New Testament. Never is the Sabbath described as a dividing issue by Jesus or the Apostles. Paul wrote:

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. (Rom. 14:5,6)

Stop and read Ellen White's quote again, and then read Paul's quote again. The two are completely incompatible!

In Romans 14 Paul goes through a lengthy discussion in which he warns Christians not to judge each other on points of minor importance. He concludes by saying, "Let us not therefore judge one another" (Rom. 14:13). The Adventist will argue that Paul did not have the Sabbath in mind when he wrote Romans 14, and that could well be the case. Nevertheless, if Paul thought the Sabbath was the "dividing wall" between Christians and non-Christians, don't you think he would have fought strenuously for its observance?

Throughout the New Testament Paul fights with all his might to establish the important doctrines of the Church: Faith, Hope, Love, Grace, Forgiveness, Salvation, Mercy. Paul also fights against the sins of the flesh. Paul even advocated cultural practices such as wearing a head-covering. Yet in all of his writings, he never mentions the seventh day Sabbath as being of particular importance to Christians. The only time he ever even mentions holy days (Rom. 14) he simply says that brethren should accept each other no matter what holy day they choose (or choose not) to observe.

How could Paul discuss holy days in such a casual manner if it was indeed the great "dividing wall" between true believers and false believers? If it was truly the great "dividing wall", then Paul would have been all over the issue in his writings, warning Christians of their duty! Instead, we find the Sabbath rarely even mentioned by any of the authors of the New Testament. If the Sabbath was indeed the "one great truth" that is to divide the true believers from the false ones, then surely the Apostles, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, would have emphasized its overwhelming importance in their writings. - Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Sabbath as Seal of God
 

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Those who understand the following by nature are family in Jesus Christ, Yeshua.

When the law as it is since Jesus has been written on the heart, one is no longer under the law but he does obey the law because of gratitude and love for the Father in Jesus Christ.

That term, "under the law," cannot appy to those who are obedient by nature, though they do obey the law. It is not a profound mystery, it is simply being good children who behave themselves, just like good children in this age do.
 

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Those who understand the following by nature are family in Jesus Christ, Yeshua.

When the law as it is since Jesus has been written on the heart, one is no longer under the law but he does obey the law because of gratitude and love for the Father in Jesus Christ.

That term, "under the law," cannot appy to those who are obedient by nature, though they do obey the law. It is not a profound mystery, it is simply being good children who behave themselves, just like good children in this age do.
I wish to clarify the issue about the law. It consists of 613 rules contained in the Torah. Keep in mind what Jesus said about the law.

Matthew 5:17 to 20 NIV

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

With this being the case we ALL are under the law. Since sin is transgression of the law acknowledging we all sin shows that the law is in effect. What Jesus accomplished on the cross is to remove the penalty of sinning from those who accept Him as savior. For those who reject Jesus they are under the full penalty of the law.
 
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Instead of looking for the answer at a conclusion point go to the beginning of the truth and find out what is meant. You seem to quick to judge saying that I believe that the Law of Elohim has some how been renewed. No what I am saying is truth is that word not our understanding.
Let us first study the words that we would most likely use the most: “new” and “covenant.” Let’s start from the word that is translated as “new”. In the Hebrew scriptures, we find the word חֲדָשָֽׁה׃ (“haDasah”). The lemma (dictionary form) of the word is חָדָשׁ (“hadas” or “chadash”) that is marked as Strong’s #2319. When used as an adjective, it is “chadash” but when it is used as a noun it is the word “chodesh”. We already know “chodesh”as “new moon” or month. The verb of the word (chadash)is translated as “to renew” as seen in 1 Samuel 11:14 or “restored” as can be seen in 2 Chron 15:8. It is interesting to note that this word does not appear in the Torah (first 5 books). When looking up the adjective form of the word (as is the use here) in the lexicons 1 you will find that has two related meanings:

That what is recent (not old) – young or new
That what was not previously known
This indicates that the covenant being referred to here, can either be a renewal of the existing covenant, or it can be a covenant that did not previously exist. Thus, we will need to use the context to try to determine exactly which one of the two is most applicable in this specific case. What we learn about the “new” covenant from this phrase is:

it is not like the previous
“this is the covenant” indicating the content that will be contained in the covenant
These two bits of information give us the clue that this covenant does not exist independent of the previous two. If we look into the content of the renewed covenant, the connection to the earlier two covenants can easily been seen in “I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people” and “My law.” This is a clear link to the Sinai covenant.

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Why are you trying to FALSIFY Bible truth?

The New Covenant is NOT a renewed covenant at all, but a New Covenant since there a a world of difference between the blood of bulls and calves and goats and the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ -- the blood of God!

We know that all the critical texts and the modern English Bible versions have CORRUPTED Matthew 26:28 and omitted the word "new" from the text. But the traditional Greek text and the Reformation Bibles all have the word "new", not "renewed".

TRADITIONAL GREEK TEXTS
τοῦτο γάρ ἐστιν τὸ αἷμά μου, τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης, τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.τοῦτο γάρ ἐστι τὸ αἷμά μου τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
τοῦτο γάρ ἐστι τὸ αἷμά μου, τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης, τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν.τοῦτο γάρ ἐστιν τὸ αἷμά μου τὸ τῆς καινῆς διαθήκης τὸ περὶ πολλῶν ἐκχυνόμενον εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν

REFORMATION BIBLES AND SOME OTHERS

King James Bible

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

International Standard Version
because this is my blood of the new covenant that is being poured out for many people for the forgiveness of sins.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed in exchange for the many for the release of sins.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.

World English Bible
for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.

Young's Literal Translation
for this is my blood of the new covenant, that for many is being poured out -- to remission of sins;
want dit is My bloed, van die Nuwe Verbond, wat vir baie uitgestort word tot vryspraak van sondes,

Mattheüs 26:28 Dutch Staten Vertaling
Want dat is Mijn bloed, het bloed des Nieuwen Testaments, hetwelk voor velen vergoten wordt, tot vergeving der zonden.

Matthieu 26:28 French: Martin (1744)
Car ceci est mon sang, le [sang] du Nouveau Testament, qui est répandu pour plusieurs en rémission des péchés.

Das ist mein Blut des Neuen Testaments, welches vergossen wird für viele zur Vergebung der Sünden.das ist mein Blut des neuen Testaments, welches vergossen wird für viele zur Vergebung der Sünden.

Mateo 26:28 Spanish: La Biblia de las Américas
porque esto es mi sangre del nuevo pacto, que es derramada por muchos para el perdón de los pecados.
porque esto es Mi sangre del nuevo pacto, que es derramada por muchos para el perdón de los pecados.porque esto es mi sangre del nuevo testamento, la cual es derramada por muchos para remisión de pecados.Porque esto es mi sangre del nuevo pacto, la cual es derramada por muchos para remisión de los pecados.

All of these are in accordance with the epistle to the Hebrews, which clearly distinguishes the Old Covenant from the New Covenant, and shows us why the New Covenant is INFINITELY BETTER than the Old Covenant.

11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament [not "renewed testament], that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that wereunder the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Heb 9:11-28).
You make an excellent point but you could have made it as well with 20% of the words used.
 

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new or renewed Scripture tells us:


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What is renewed Scripture? The NEW Testament is the books of Matthew to Revelation.
The New Covenant is Jeremiah 31:31-34.

What is renewed?
 

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Instead of looking for the answer at a conclusion point go to the beginning of the truth and find out what is meant. You seem to quick to judge saying that I believe that the Law of Elohim has some how been renewed. No what I am saying is truth is that word not our understanding.
Let us first study the words that we would most likely use the most: “new” and “covenant.” Let’s start from the word that is translated as “new”. In the Hebrew scriptures, we find the word חֲדָשָֽׁה׃ (“haDasah”). The lemma (dictionary form) of the word is חָדָשׁ (“hadas” or “chadash”) that is marked as Strong’s #2319. When used as an adjective, it is “chadash” but when it is used as a noun it is the word “chodesh”. We already know “chodesh”as “new moon” or month. The verb of the word (chadash)is translated as “to renew” as seen in 1 Samuel 11:14 or “restored” as can be seen in 2 Chron 15:8. It is interesting to note that this word does not appear in the Torah (first 5 books). When looking up the adjective form of the word (as is the use here) in the lexicons 1 you will find that has two related meanings:

That what is recent (not old) – young or new
That what was not previously known
This indicates that the covenant being referred to here, can either be a renewal of the existing covenant, or it can be a covenant that did not previously exist. Thus, we will need to use the context to try to determine exactly which one of the two is most applicable in this specific case. What we learn about the “new” covenant from this phrase is:

it is not like the previous
“this is the covenant” indicating the content that will be contained in the covenant
These two bits of information give us the clue that this covenant does not exist independent of the previous two. If we look into the content of the renewed covenant, the connection to the earlier two covenants can easily been seen in “I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people” and “My law.” This is a clear link to the Sinai covenant.

Instead of looking for the answer at a conclusion point go to the beginning of the truth and find out what is meant. You seem to quick to judge saying that I believe that the Law of Elohim has some how been renewed. No what I am saying is truth is that word not our understanding.
Let us first study the words that we would most likely use the most: “new” and “covenant.” Let’s start from the word that is translated as “new”. In the Hebrew scriptures, we find the word חֲדָשָֽׁה׃ (“haDasah”). The lemma (dictionary form) of the word is חָדָשׁ (“hadas” or “chadash”) that is marked as Strong’s #2319. When used as an adjective, it is “chadash” but when it is used as a noun it is the word “chodesh”. We already know “chodesh”as “new moon” or month. The verb of the word (chadash)is translated as “to renew” as seen in 1 Samuel 11:14 or “restored” as can be seen in 2 Chron 15:8. It is interesting to note that this word does not appear in the Torah (first 5 books). When looking up the adjective form of the word (as is the use here) in the lexicons 1 you will find that has two related meanings:

That what is recent (not old) – young or new
That what was not previously known
To this point you have an excellent word study!

This indicates that the covenant being referred to here, can either be a renewal of the existing covenant, or it can be a covenant that did not previously exist. Thus, we will need to use the context to try to determine exactly which one of the two is most applicable in this specific case. What we learn about the “new” covenant from this phrase is:
This seems to be a non-sequitur! How do you make this work?

In both Luke 22:20 and in 1Cor 11:25 The word New in the phrase New Testament is the Greek καινὴ which is unambiguously NEW.

In Jer 31:31 The word NEW in the phrase New Covenant is חֲדָשָֽׁה which is unambiguously NEW.