Sabbath

[LoveGodForever]

Good morning Grace777 (my time yawn)

How are you today my friend? I hope you are well.

So, we are still playing that game that the Old Testament is the way of salvation. It's obvious you cannot see that Jesus Himself is our true Sabbath rest and that all of creation speaks of Him and I understand that.

Did you know that everything in the New Testament comes comes from the Old Testament and that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." (2Tim 3:16) and that "Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matt 4:4) ?

God's Word tells me that the 7th Day Sabbath is a Day and God wants us to follow and obey him (Gen 2:1-3, Ex 20:8-11; Heb 5:9; Acts 5:32)

You are free in Christ ( if Christ is in you ) to observe any day you like.

Absolutely my friend! Jesus never forces anyone to follow him we are free to choose if we should follow him or not. We are only held accountable to God for our actions and no one else.

Let me ask you the same question that you have never answered directly yet after 5 attempts to get the truth from you.Here it is again: If a Christian doesn't observe the Sabbath day as in in the Old Testament - is he/she dis-obeying God and sinning? The answer is either "yes or no." so please don't be giving a bunch of unrelated scriptures - just speak the truth as you believe it to be in your own mind. It's a "yes or No" answer. I like to see what is really behind beliefs. Thank you for being straight forward with us this time. We will appreciate it.

By the way the 7th Day Sabbath is in the New Testament to. I am happy to answer you if you can tell me the meaning of these Bible verses....

1. "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent." (Acts 17:30) ?

2. "Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin." (James 4:17) ?

3. "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." (1John 3:4) ?

4. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Rom 6:23)

Ok have to go to work for now so have fun. Happy to talk with you latter.

God bless you my friend

 

[graceNpeace]

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By the way the 7th Day Sabbath is in the New Testament to. I am happy to answer you if you can tell me the meaning of these Bible verses....

1. "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent." (Acts 17:30) ?

2. "Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin." (James 4:17) ?

3. "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." (1John 3:4) ?

4. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Rom 6:23)

Ok have to go to work for now so have fun. Happy to talk with you latter.
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More misdirection!
None of these Scriptures have ANYTHING to do with Sabbath-keeping...

 

[LoveGodForever]

More misdirection!
None of these Scriptures have ANYTHING to do with Sabbath-keeping...

You may need to read the context in the post to who it was given

 

[graceNpeace]

You may need to read the context in the post to who it was given

I did.
I can read just fine.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I did.
I can read just fine.

Yes you did read, but you did not understand. If I am wrong and you did understand... please tell me what does it mean?

God bless you I have to work now but will be back latter

 

[graceNpeace]

Yes you did read, but you did not understand. If I am wrong and you did understand... please tell me what does it mean?

God bless you I have to work now but will be back latter

Yes, you were asked a straight question and came back with your classic tactics of obfuscation and misdirection...

 

[Grace777x70]

Good morning Grace777 (my time yawn)

How are you today my friend? I hope you are well.

Did you know that everything in the New Testament comes comes from the Old Testament and that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." (2Tim 3:16) and that "Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matt 4:4) ?

God's Word tells me that the 7th Day Sabbath is a Day and God wants us to follow and obey him (Gen 2:1-3, Ex 20:8-11; Heb 5:9; Acts 5:32)

Absolutely my friend! Jesus never forces anyone to follow him we are free to choose if we should follow him or not. We are only held accountable to God for our actions and no one else.

By the way the 7th Day Sabbath is in the New Testament to. I am happy to answer you if you can tell me the meaning of these Bible verses....

1. "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent." (Acts 17:30) ?

2. "Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin." (James 4:17) ?

3. "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." (1John 3:4) ?

4. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Rom 6:23)

Ok have to go to work for now so have fun. Happy to talk with you latter.

God bless you my friend

Good day!

My goodness you would make a "Philadelphia lawyer " proud. So, is it a sin for a Christian not to follow the Old testament way of the Sabbath? Yes or no? This is only the 8th time that you have avoided the question. Yes or no my friend. Be honest with us.

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes, you were asked a straight question and came back with your classic tactics of obfuscation and misdirection...

I don't like deceitfulness like this. This is only the 8th time that this question has been skirted.

We know the reason why - If they say that a Christian needs to be following the Sabbath as in the Old Testament way or they are dis-obeying God and sinning - then they will be seen for being the Judaizer that they truly are.

Judaizers are those that try to get Christians to follow the law and thus are exchanging Christ Himself and His finished work for following the law.

These are perverting the gospel of the grace of God in Christ and Paul said that he wouldn't stand for this for even one hour - "so that" the truth of the gospel would remain with the Galatians.

 

[S-word]

Paul said to let no one judge you concerning the Sabbath as it is but a shadow of what is to occur in the future. The great Sabbath of which the weekly Sabbath was but a shadow, is the Lord’s Day in which he shall rule the world for a thousand years.

The Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason he 31 did not complete the years of this first day; for he died during it.

Acts 17: 31; “For the Lord has fixed a day (The Sabbath of one thousand years) in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

But the seventh day does not begin until this, the sixth day ends with the greatest tribulation that this world has ever experienced, and if not for the intervention of the Lord, no flesh would survive.

According to Jewish time, the first destruction of the Temple of Solomon, was 3338 AM, which is 3338 years from Adam. Our time for that destruction of the temple is 587 BC. So adding 587 to 3338, we see that from the birth of Adam to 1 BC=1AD there is 3925 years, add to that the current date, 2017, (3,925+2017=5,942) and we are now living in the 5,942nd year from the birth of Adam (These dates are very ambiguous) which would leave us about another 58 years before the close of the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] day and the beginning of the 7[SUP]th[/SUP], which is the great Sabbath, “The Day of The Lord” the seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930, which Sabbath Day begins after the greatest period of tribulation that this world has ever seen.

The following prophesies are concerning that war to end all wars; which is to be the salvation of the Nation of Israel in the great tribulation, when the Holy City will be surrounded by those nations who would attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea.

(JOEL 3: 14.) "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision. The sun and moon shall be darkened and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and earth shall shake, but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

So shall ye know that I am your Lord God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy and strangers will never again conquer it. (This has not occurred as yet.)(NUMBERS 24: 17-19.) "A King like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his possession. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.

(ZECHARIAH 12: 10.) They shall look upon me, (The anointed one) and see the one they have pierced, (The man Jesus, through who the Lord revealed himself to the world) and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child.

Acts 17: 31; For he has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world in justice by means of a MAN He has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

The Lord answers, "I have trampled the Nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come, it was time to punish their enemies. I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole Nations and shattered them. I poured out their life"s blood on the earth."

The African tectonic plate grinds against the Arabian plate in its Northern migration, and the fault line between the two, runs through the Red Sea and up the Jordan, right through the Mount of Olives"

(ZECHARIAH 14: 13-20.) Zechariah speaks of the day in which the Lord will save his people. Chapter 14: Behold, the day when the Lord will sit in Judgement is near, then Jerusalem will be looted, and the loot taken from you will be divided in your midst. 2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. "Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations as he has fought in times past. At that time he will stand on the Mount of Olives to the east of Jerusalem. Then the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west by a large valley. Half of the mountain (On the African plate) will move northward, and half of it (On the Arabian plate) will move southward.

The Lord will throw those nations, who would attempt to drive his chosen people into the sea, into a state of confusion, and the weapons of destruction, with which they would destroy Israel, He will cause them to turn upon their own allies, and they will suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue, such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, "cooked to the bone," will slide from their bodies while they are still standing.

Then all the surviving Nations, will send their representatives each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship, and pay tribute to CHRIST=The Anointed one, who raised Jesus from death and who, by means of Jesus, will rule the whole world with justice and woe betide those who refuse to worship and pay tribute to the Lord.

 

[graceNpeace]

I don't like deceitfulness like this. This is only the 8th time that this question has been skirted.

We know the reason why - If they say that a Christian needs to be following the Sabbath as in the Old Testament way or they are dis-obeying God and sinning - then they will be seen for being the Judaizer that they truly are.

Judaizers are those that try to get Christians to follow the law and thus are exchanging Christ Himself and His finished work for following the law.

These are perverting the gospel of the grace of God in Christ and Paul said that he wouldn't stand for this for even one hour - "so that" the truth of the gospel would remain with the Galatians.

Indeed.....

 

[JaumeJ]

I believe many who love our Lord are also as I. Having studied the Word forman decades, and having done so after God filled me with His Holy Spirit, the only day I truly may say is given by God is the Seventh day.

As for observing the Seventh Day as prescribed by law, well, we do not live on earth in a Theocracy as did Israel for a time in in its history, so with Jesus christ as my Master (teacher) and Lord, I look to his teaching and
to his example.

If we learn of Him and not from each other basing everything on the law without faith, love and justice, we will be just fine.

We know from the letters of Paul that as long as we each (that is each ) conduct ourselves with a clear conscience in the sight of God, we do no harm

Because this honest ad blessed attitude applies sto all of us, if my brother cannot tear himself away from calling the first day of the week the Sabbat, it is not a problem for me, and it is not a sin in the sight of God.

Having confessed this, sI truly would love to see people remember all of this and leave their fellows in Christ a t peace intheir personl understand if it does not conflict with the Word. So Seventh day or sixth day ÇSabbath is fine as long as it is with a clear conscience in the sight of God

People should not be put in an inquisition for observing either, and that is what oft times these threads are.

I don't like deceitfulness like this. This is only the 8th time that this question has been skirted.

We know the reason why - If they say that a Christian needs to be following the Sabbath as in the Old



Testament way or they are dis-obeying God and sinning - then they will be seen for being the Judaizer that they truly are.

Judaizers are those that try to get Christians to follow the law and thus are exchanging Christ Himself and His finished work for following the law.

These are perverting the gospel of the grace of God in Christ and Paul said that he wouldn't stand for this for even one hour - "so that" the truth of the gospel would remain with the Galatians.

 

[graceNpeace]

I believe many who love our Lord are also as I. Having studied the Word forman decades, and having done so after God filled me with His Holy Spirit, the only day I truly may say is given by God is the Seventh day.

As for observing the Seventh Day as prescribed by law, well, we do not live on earth in a Theocracy as did Israel for a time in in its history, so with Jesus christ as my Master (teacher) and Lord, I look to his teaching and
to his example.

If we learn of Him and not from each other basing everything on the law without faith, love and justice, we will be just fine.

We know from the letters of Paul that as long as we each (that is each ) conduct ourselves with a clear conscience in the sight of God, we do no harm

Because this honest ad blessed attitude applies sto all of us, if my brother cannot tear himself away from calling the first day of the week the Sabbat, it is not a problem for me, and it is not a sin in the sight of God.

Having confessed this, sI truly would love to see people remember all of this and leave their fellows in Christ a t peace intheir personl understand if it does not conflict with the Word. So Seventh day or sixth day ÇSabbath is fine as long as it is with a clear conscience in the sight of God

People should not be put in an inquisition for observing either, and that is what oft times these threads are.

Your view on the Sabbath is not the one being posited by the OP and his supporters.
You believe observing the Sabbath is a matter for personal conscience - no issue with that.

Their view is that we are in sin for NOT obeying their demand to keep the Sabbath.

 

[JaumeJ]

My reference to beinginquisatory refers to both sides of this type of argument

Anyone pointing a finger at another to the extent of telling them they are "in sin" is not being faithful to our Lord,, Jesus chrisst.

No, anyone practicing so is usrping the judgement of Jesus c`hrist, and a far as I know this will not occur in it entirety until the dya fo the thrones.

Anyone juding now is assuming he is ruling without the Presence of our Savior and King. Even this I do not "judg", but I can warn others with total confidence that judgin before it is handed over to us is not to be done. Jesus earned the authority to judge all men, and this is ironic because judgment was Hisin the fisrst place. What beautiful and great humility is our Savior.

Your view on the Sabbath is not the one being posited by the OP and his supporters.
You believe observing the Sabbath is a matter for personal conscience - no issue with that.

Their view is that we are in sin for NOT obeying their demand to keep the Sabbath.

 

[S-word]

I don't know what you are all arguing about, everyone will keep the Great Sabbath, which is the reality of the weekly 7th day Sabbath, at least everyone who survives the great tribulation that precedes the 7th day of one thousand years, the great tribulation wherein there would be no survivors, except for the intervention of the Lord for the sake of his elect and chosen ones, who will take the thrones that are prepared for them and rule as Kings with Christ for the Sabbath of one thousand years, wherein there will be no more wars and where the survivors will live in peace until Satan is released at the close of the Sabbath, when fire will descend from heaven and incinerate all physical life forms that remain on this planet.

But we shall not all fall asleep in death says Paul, for at the sound of the Last trumpet, we shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter, into glorious bodies of brilliant and blinding incorruptible light.

 

[Jackson123]

Sabbath is a law in the OT era, Paul informed us It has Ben cancel, Jesus teach about spirit of law, what is Belind the law.

and It is agape love.

do not kill,

we not kill one that we love. If you love your son, you not kill him.

the spirit of this law is love

 

[Rainrider]

The posts I was making ref to in our conversation are in your 'law thread #549 and #561.

Ok I willl have to look at them and see. Thank you for the info.

 

[beta]

Ok I willl have to look at them and see. Thank you for the info.

Hi, good morning 5 am here....just reading the last few posts and see 'no change in our disagreements. I am just about ready to draw a line under it all...btw, will be busy this afternoon and off line for some time.
Thanks for checking out the posts I mentioned...as you see there may be others who see the difference in spiritual and physical commandments...doesn't mean they have no bearing on each other whatever.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

- the law made nothing perfect

- put on love, which is the bond of perfection

So Jesus was not perfect? Thank you for that little nugget.

Jesus teach us that He is the living word / law / torah.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

If a Christian doesn't observe the Sabbath day as in in the Old Testament - is he/she dis-obeying God and sinning?

The answer is either "yes or no." so please don't be giving a bunch of unrelated scriptures - just speak the truth as you believe it to be in your own mind. It's a "yes or No" answer.

I like to see what is really behind beliefs. Thank you for being straight forward with us this time. We will appreciate it.

According to the ten commandments, Yes. What we have to consider is the following:

1) Did Jesus keep the Sabbath (to the last letter)? Yes he did.
2) Whenever Jesus gave a teaching about the Sabbath he was speaking to the Pharisees who was trying to accuse Jesus with false accusations.
3) Why if we are followers of Christ are we trying to pick and choose what we want to do/or not? He was the perfect example and we know we will not be perfect but we can try moving in that direction.

The Jews kept the Talmud which is their own version of staying out of trouble/sin. If I can try to make it relevant to today:

The speed limit on our freeways is 120km/h. What the Jews did was saying we know if we get to 115km/h the spedo could be miss calibrated so we are going to drive 60km/h, never thinking of the other dangers they are creating. That is their safety zone. They moved the boundaries and according to them this was the new standards/law. We can't move God's standards and try to argue about sin. Jesus said we should leave that to him. I try to keep the Sabbath because that is what Jesus did and my Bible teach me that. We can argue back and forth but God never changed since the first second He started with His creation (us included). So if He teach us in the OT to keep the Sabbath, we can do it without judgment. If you feel for some reason God has given you the vision not to do so, it is between you and God and who am I to judge?

If you ask me about it I will give you the Biblical truth:
1) Jesus kept the Sabbath and never ever broke the Torah / Law
2) God never change
3) He told Moses and Israel to do so
4) We will become part of Israel so it is relevant to us
5) Jesus said, keep my commandments. Hosea 4 warns us to keep God's commandments and do not create our own days to honour Him.

 

[Jackson123]

According to the ten commandments, Yes. What we have to consider is the following:

1) Did Jesus keep the Sabbath (to the last letter)? Yes he did.
2) Whenever Jesus gave a teaching about the Sabbath he was speaking to the Pharisees who was trying to accuse Jesus with false accusations.
3) Why if we are followers of Christ are we trying to pick and choose what we want to do/or not? He was the perfect example and we know we will not be perfect but we can try moving in that direction.

The Jews kept the Talmud which is their own version of staying out of trouble/sin. If I can try to make it relevant to today:

The speed limit on our freeways is 120km/h. What the Jews did was saying we know if we get to 115km/h the spedo could be miss calibrated so we are going to drive 60km/h, never thinking of the other dangers they are creating. That is their safety zone. They moved the boundaries and according to them this was the new standards/law. We can't move God's standards and try to argue about sin. Jesus said we should leave that to him. I try to keep the Sabbath because that is what Jesus did and my Bible teach me that. We can argue back and forth but God never changed since the first second He started with His creation (us included). So if He teach us in the OT to keep the Sabbath, we can do it without judgment. If you feel for some reason God has given you the vision not to do so, it is between you and God and who am I to judge?

If you ask me about it I will give you the Biblical truth:
1) Jesus kept the Sabbath and never ever broke the Torah / Law
2) God never change
3) He told Moses and Israel to do so
4) We will become part of Israel so it is relevant to us
5) Jesus said, keep my commandments. Hosea 4 warns us to keep God's commandments and do not create our own days to honour Him.

in that case why we not doing animali sacrifice

Jesus is circumcised, we not

paul Said sabbath is only shadow of Jesus.