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JaumeJ

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שנט שלום That is Shabbat Shalom. Yes, I typed each letter in Hebrew myself.

I have almost forgotten my Hebe Keyboard...

Good Sabbath to all.......... B'shem Yeshua col tov.
 
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And blessings to you Sir ! our Knight in shining armour !
Hey Sis Beta,

SO great to see you. As well as all our friends here. This thread seems like a little home on the net sometimes. Its so nice to meet with you all and always such a great blessing to see each one here sharing the Words that Jesus gives to you all. I see God leading many people here to share His Word and I always learn things from you all. So thank you all for being such a blessing to me and my own personal walk with Jesus.

God bless you my friends... love you all in the Lord ;)
 
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שנט שלום That is Shabbat Shalom. Yes, I typed each letter in Hebrew myself.

I have almost forgotten my Hebe Keyboard...

Good Sabbath to all.......... B'shem Yeshua col tov.
WOW JaumeJ, you are doing really well to do that. How did you do it and are you learning Hebrew? Best I can do is use my Concordance and Interlinear. I dont know how to type the texts of the Hebrew and Greek I rely on cut and paste for that :rolleyes:
 

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Jesus is my Sabbath rest. He is with me every day :)
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The key to understanding how Jesus is our Sabbath rest is the Hebrew word sabat, which means "to rest or stop or cease from work." The origin of the Sabbath goes back to Creation. After creating the heavens and the earth in six days, God "rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made" (Genesis 2:2).

This doesn’t mean that God was tired and needed a rest. We know that God is omnipotent, literally "all-powerful." He has all the power in the universe, He never tires, and His most arduous expenditure of energy does not diminish His power one bit. So, what does it mean that God rested on the seventh day? Simply that He stopped what He was doing. He ceased from His labors. This is important in understanding the establishment of the Sabbath day and the role of Christ as our Sabbath rest.

God used the example of His resting on the seventh day of Creation to establish the principle of the Sabbath day rest for His people. In
Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15, God gave the Israelites the fourth of His Ten Commandments. They were to "remember" the Sabbath day and "keep it holy." One day out of every seven, they were to rest from their labors and give the same day of rest to their servants and animals. This was not just a physical rest, but a cessation of laboring. Whatever work they were engaged in was to stop for a full day each week. The Sabbath day was established so the people would rest from their labors, only to begin again after a one-day rest.

The various elements of the Sabbath symbolized the coming of the Messiah, who would provide a permanent rest for His people. Once again the example of resting from our labors comes into play. With the establishment of the Old Testament Law, the Jews were constantly "laboring" to make themselves acceptable to God. Their labors included trying to obey a myriad of do’s and don’ts of the ceremonial law, the Temple law, the civil law, etc. Of course they couldn’t possibly keep all those laws, so God provided an array of sin offerings and sacrifices so they could come to Him for forgiveness and restore fellowship with Him, but only temporarily.

Just as they began their physical labors after a one-day rest, so, too, did they have to continue to offer sacrifices.
Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law "can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship." But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God" (Hebrews 10:12).

Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to "labor" in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided.

Another element of the Sabbath day rest which God instituted as a foreshadowing of our complete rest in Christ is that He blessed it, sanctified it, and made it holy. Here again we see the symbol of Christ as our Sabbath rest—the holy, perfect Son of God who sanctifies and makes holy all who believe in Him. God sanctified Christ, just as He sanctified the Sabbath day, and sent Him into the world (
John 10:36) to be our sacrifice for sin.

In Him we find complete rest from the labors of our self-effort, because He alone is holy and righteous. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (
2 Corinthians 5:21). We can now cease from our spiritual labors and rest in Him, not just one day a week, but always.

Jesus can be our Sabbath rest in part because He is "Lord of the Sabbath" (
Matthew 12:8). As God incarnate, He decides the true meaning of the Sabbath because He created it, and He is our Sabbath rest in the flesh. When the Pharisees criticized Him for healing on the Sabbath, Jesus reminded them that even they, sinful as they were, would not hesitate to pull a sheep out of a pit on the Sabbath.

Because He came to seek and save His sheep who would hear His voice (
John 10:3,27) and enter into the Sabbath rest He provided by paying for their sins, He could break the Sabbath rules. He told the Pharisees that people are more important than sheep and the salvation He provided was more important than rules.

By saying,
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27), Jesus was restating the principle that the Sabbath rest was instituted to relieve man of his labors, just as He came to relieve us of our attempting to achieve salvation by our works. We no longer rest for only one day, but forever cease our laboring to attain God’s favor. Jesus is our rest from works now, just as He is the door to heaven, where we will rest in Him forever.

Hebrews 4 is the definitive passage regarding Jesus as our Sabbath rest. The writer to the Hebrews exhorts his readers to “enter in” to the Sabbath rest provided by Christ. After three chapters of telling them that Jesus is superior to the angels and that He is our Apostle and High Priest, he pleads with them to not harden their hearts against Him, as their fathers hardened their hearts against the Lord in the wilderness. Because of their unbelief, God denied that generation access to the holy land, saying, “They shall not enter into My rest” (Hebrews 3:11).

In the same way, the writer to the Hebrews begs his readers not to make the same mistake by rejecting God’s Sabbath rest in Jesus Christ. “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience” (
Hebrews 4:9–11).

There is no other Sabbath rest besides Jesus. He alone satisfies the requirements of the Law, and He alone provides the sacrifice that atones for sin. He is God’s plan for us to cease from the labor of our own works. We dare not reject this one-and-only Way of salvation (
John 14:6).

God’s reaction to those who choose to reject His plan is seen in
Numbers 15. A man was found gathering sticks on the Sabbath day, in spite of God’s plain commandment to cease from all labor on the Sabbath. This transgression was a known and willful sin, done with unblushing boldness in broad daylight, in open defiance of the divine authority. “Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp’” (verse 35). So it will be to all who reject God’s provision for our Sabbath rest in Christ. “How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?” (Hebrews 2:3).
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Sabbath.html
 

JaumeJ

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About seven years ago I came across Bibical Hebrew lessons online by Holy nameweb I believe. It seemed the right thing to do, so I took the cuorse, about two months worth, and I read the Tanakh and the New Testament in Hebrew except for may four or five of the Epistles. I did it with all kinds of helps.

Also, I installed some program for allowing me to type in Hebrew along with Hebrew fonts...don't ask me the name now, but if you relly need to know I can try to find out. I learned the Hebrew keyboard in about ten minutes. You may think that sounds like I am smart, wrong. I touch type in English, so after a few minutes of prcticing the Hebrew keyboard, it was a piece of cake.

I stopped reading in the Epistles because my failing vion simply did not allow for me to read properly, and no matter how much I nlarged the fonts I could no longer make out the diacritical mrakings (vowel sounds). Rather than to read practicing wrong pronounciation I stopped, but I do go back and read what I am comfortable with.

Try looking at www.holynameweb. com (I think) or look it up online if you are interested in things Hebrew. The free course was terminated when I had just finished it........talk about Yahweh's timeg for me. Coincidence? You know how He does things....

WOW JaumeJ, you are doing really well to do that. How did you do it and are you learning Hebrew? Best I can do is use my Concordance and Interlinear. I dont know how to type the texts of the Hebrew and Greek I rely on cut and paste for that :rolleyes:
 
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Jesus is my Sabbath rest. He is with me every day :)
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Sabbath.html
Hi Magenta,

So nice to see you and appreciate you sharing with us. Your post from that website however has already been discussed here and shown to be not from God's Word. The main thing that undoes this post is that the 7th Day Sabbath has its origin as part of the creation week which is a finished work and it was given before the fall of mankind before sin entered the World
(Gen 2:1-3). This being the case it is impossible for it to be a shadow of anything at all. All the shadows from the laws of Moses pointing to Jesus were given after the fall of mankind because they were pointing to Jesus which was an unfinished promise. Jesus tells us that he made the Sabbath for mankind. This was the Sabbaths original purpose so the we can meet with the creator especially on the 7th Day of the creation week. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and commands us to Keep His day Holy (Mark 2:27-28; Ex 20:8-11). We follow Jesus because we love him and this is what he has asked us of us.

Hope that helps some past links are here if you interested to read about it further.

The real Gospel?

Col 2 Sabbaths and Shadows of things to come (1)

Col 2 Sabbaths and Shadows of things to come (2)

Col 2 Sabbath and Shadows of things to come (3)

What is the difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses ?

God's Law and the laws of Moses (1)

God's Law and the laws of Moses (2)


We all as christians need to consider everyday if we are following God or not in our daily lives. Jesus tells us that we are not following him if we put man made traditions in place of the Word of God (please read Matt 15:3-9). Sunday worship is a man made tradition that is a teaching of man and many have been decieved into following this as a day of Worship in place of the 7th Day Sabbath that God has commanded us to follow. The main questions each of us needs to ask ourselves is; Should I believe and follow God's Word or should I follow the teachings and traditions of man?

Something for you to think about if you have some time; Please show me one scripture from God's Word that answers even one question below? (you don't need to show me just do it for yourself asking Jesus and study God's Word for yourself)

The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?


Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?


That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?


That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?


Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?


That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?


From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?


Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?


That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?


That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?


Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?


Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?


Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?


That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?


That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?



That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?


That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?


Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?


Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?


Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?


Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?


Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?


Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?


Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?



Hope this is helpful and gives you something to think about.

God bless
 

JaumeJ

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I have posted on the rest given us by Jesus christ so many times, even here in this thread several.

I believe a pivotal teaching is that we must labor to enter into His Sabbath rest.

We are now in the very last moments of the sixth milleneum.........to our Father that is like six days. I pray we enter into the Seventh Milleneum well prepared for it is coming soon, amen.
 
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About seven years ago I came across Bibical Hebrew lessons online by Holy nameweb I believe. It seemed the right thing to do, so I took the cuorse, about two months worth, and I read the Tanakh and the New Testament in Hebrew except for may four or five of the Epistles. I did it with all kinds of helps.

Also, I installed some program for allowing me to type in Hebrew along with Hebrew fonts...don't ask me the name now, but if you relly need to know I can try to find out. I learned the Hebrew keyboard in about ten minutes. You may think that sounds like I am smart, wrong. I touch type in English, so after a few minutes of prcticing the Hebrew keyboard, it was a piece of cake.

I stopped reading in the Epistles because my failing vion simply did not allow for me to read properly, and no matter how much I nlarged the fonts I could no longer make out the diacritical mrakings (vowel sounds). Rather than to read practicing wrong pronounciation I stopped, but I do go back and read what I am comfortable with.

Try looking at www.holynameweb. com (I think) or look it up online if you are interested in things Hebrew. The free course was terminated when I had just finished it........talk about Yahweh's timeg for me. Coincidence? You know how He does things....
I think I will just stick to my Concordance and Interlinear for now along with lots of prayer and the study of God's Word. I am learning wonderful things from God's Word. I really Love God's Word you know. I am really amazed how in harmony the Old Testament is with the New Testament. There is no contradictions at all in God's Word. Everything from the New Testament comes from the Old and together they are a whole complimenting each other. So amazing. I wonder if I study the Hebrew and Greek if I will learn more then just using the Concordance and Interlinear? I think though none of us can learn anything without Jesus and having Faith in His Word....

Joh 14:26,
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Joh 7:17,
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Heb 8:10-12,
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:5 and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
God bless you man
 
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I have posted on the rest given us by Jesus christ so many times, even here in this thread several.

I believe a pivotal teaching is that we must labor to enter into His Sabbath rest.

We are now in the very last moments of the sixth milleneum.........to our Father that is like six days. I pray we enter into the Seventh Milleneum well prepared for it is coming soon, amen.
I hear you. I think it is our duty to help everyone that asks us though and to always be ready to give a reason for the hope that is in us so that God may use us to help and be a blessing to others. I just post the links to where someones questions are answered already now. It is so much easier then having to repeat yourself everytime .

Gods blessing
 

Grandpa

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This is beautiful, to keep the law in works for our righteousness is a stumblingstone. But now we do it in faith because we love God.

Thank you Grandpa.
I don't think you are understanding.

Israel worked at the law because of their faith too. But they didn't attain right standing before God by it.

Same with everyone who works at the law. They THINK it is by their faith in God that they do it, but the law is not of faith.


People think they have to work at the law because God said so. And we can all attest that we WERE under the law BEFORE we came to Christ.

We did the same thing as you before coming to Christ. We worked at the law because we had faith in God.

But we found out something that most of you didn't find out. We found out we couldn't be righteous or just before God by our own works. We needed help. Once that help comes we know the source of it. We no longer trust in our own works because they fall woefully short. All we have is our faith that Christ and Christ Alone will make us Righteous and keep us Righteous before God.

Going back to work at the law after coming to Christ is unbelief. You've probably never heard anyone tell you that. We still worship God in spirit and truth by faith without any works of the law. Which is the heresy Paul talks about in Acts 2 that you are misunderstanding as well.

Galatians 5:1 [FONT=&quot]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

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That's pretty clear.

Galatians 5:4 [FONT=&quot]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

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Do you look back to the law to try and do it by your own understanding? Then Christ has become of no effect to you. Because you have to stop your work, be dead to the law, in order to be under His Grace.

So you just have to decide which is more important. All of your "wisdom" and self-help techniques or the actual Blessing of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I'm not trying to trick you. The Lord Jesus Christ will be the best decision you ever make. Maybe read Matthew 5 a few more times...
 

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To teach and to keep even to the last is not to condemn one and another but is to Hear and do.


Those that say the Lord is their rest are convinced as are we that believe we Keep Sabbath day Holy which is to seperate the day.

If it be not for love of the Father and Son then it is not kept... The Messiah is Lord of Sabbath.

We are at Liberty and each serve GOD in a loving obedience.

We all share Scripture and go back and forth.

Those that come here to read but not partake will I hope seek and find.. for it is given.
 
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Israel worked at the law because of their faith too. But they didn't attain right standing before God by it.

Same with everyone who works at the law. They THINK it is by their faith in God that they do it, but the law is not of faith.



Going back to work at the law after coming to Christ is unbelief. You've probably never heard anyone tell you that. We still worship God in spirit and truth by faith without any works of the law. Which is the heresy Paul talks about in Acts 2 that you are misunderstanding as well.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

That's pretty clear.

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

I'm not trying to trick you. The Lord Jesus Christ will be the best decision you ever make. Maybe read Matthew 5 a few more times...
By what you are saying here Paul lived in unbelief because Paul made it clear that he kept the law friend (Acts 24 - 28). I understand what you are saying but I do believe that somewhere you will have to stop quoting Paul because what you are saying here is contradicting his words.

I know you are not trying to trick me :) never said that. I believe we all love Christ and these are important things we are discussing (our end destination might depend on it :) ). If we can use it to build God's Kingdom there is nothing wrong with discussing God's word. We also see the believers in Acts discussing God's word. They even went their separate ways because of their differences. :)

God bless
 
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Jesus is my Sabbath rest. He is with me every day :)
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The key to understanding how Jesus is our Sabbath rest is the Hebrew word sabat, which means "to rest or stop or cease from work." The origin of the Sabbath goes back to Creation. After creating the heavens and the earth in six days, God "rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made" (Genesis 2:2).

This doesn’t mean that God was tired and needed a rest. We know that God is omnipotent, literally "all-powerful." He has all the power in the universe, He never tires, and His most arduous expenditure of energy does not diminish His power one bit. So, what does it mean that God rested on the seventh day? Simply that He stopped what He was doing. He ceased from His labors. This is important in understanding the establishment of the Sabbath day and the role of Christ as our Sabbath rest.

God used the example of His resting on the seventh day of Creation to establish the principle of the Sabbath day rest for His people. In
Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15, God gave the Israelites the fourth of His Ten Commandments. They were to "remember" the Sabbath day and "keep it holy." One day out of every seven, they were to rest from their labors and give the same day of rest to their servants and animals. This was not just a physical rest, but a cessation of laboring. Whatever work they were engaged in was to stop for a full day each week. The Sabbath day was established so the people would rest from their labors, only to begin again after a one-day rest.

The various elements of the Sabbath symbolized the coming of the Messiah, who would provide a permanent rest for His people. Once again the example of resting from our labors comes into play. With the establishment of the Old Testament Law, the Jews were constantly "laboring" to make themselves acceptable to God. Their labors included trying to obey a myriad of do’s and don’ts of the ceremonial law, the Temple law, the civil law, etc. Of course they couldn’t possibly keep all those laws, so God provided an array of sin offerings and sacrifices so they could come to Him for forgiveness and restore fellowship with Him, but only temporarily.

Just as they began their physical labors after a one-day rest, so, too, did they have to continue to offer sacrifices.
Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law "can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship." But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God" (Hebrews 10:12).

Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to "labor" in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided.

Another element of the Sabbath day rest which God instituted as a foreshadowing of our complete rest in Christ is that He blessed it, sanctified it, and made it holy. Here again we see the symbol of Christ as our Sabbath rest—the holy, perfect Son of God who sanctifies and makes holy all who believe in Him. God sanctified Christ, just as He sanctified the Sabbath day, and sent Him into the world (
John 10:36) to be our sacrifice for sin.

In Him we find complete rest from the labors of our self-effort, because He alone is holy and righteous. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (
2 Corinthians 5:21). We can now cease from our spiritual labors and rest in Him, not just one day a week, but always.

Jesus can be our Sabbath rest in part because He is "Lord of the Sabbath" (
Matthew 12:8). As God incarnate, He decides the true meaning of the Sabbath because He created it, and He is our Sabbath rest in the flesh. When the Pharisees criticized Him for healing on the Sabbath, Jesus reminded them that even they, sinful as they were, would not hesitate to pull a sheep out of a pit on the Sabbath.

Because He came to seek and save His sheep who would hear His voice (
John 10:3,27) and enter into the Sabbath rest He provided by paying for their sins, He could break the Sabbath rules. He told the Pharisees that people are more important than sheep and the salvation He provided was more important than rules.

By saying,
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27), Jesus was restating the principle that the Sabbath rest was instituted to relieve man of his labors, just as He came to relieve us of our attempting to achieve salvation by our works. We no longer rest for only one day, but forever cease our laboring to attain God’s favor. Jesus is our rest from works now, just as He is the door to heaven, where we will rest in Him forever.

Hebrews 4 is the definitive passage regarding Jesus as our Sabbath rest. The writer to the Hebrews exhorts his readers to “enter in” to the Sabbath rest provided by Christ. After three chapters of telling them that Jesus is superior to the angels and that He is our Apostle and High Priest, he pleads with them to not harden their hearts against Him, as their fathers hardened their hearts against the Lord in the wilderness. Because of their unbelief, God denied that generation access to the holy land, saying, “They shall not enter into My rest” (Hebrews 3:11).

In the same way, the writer to the Hebrews begs his readers not to make the same mistake by rejecting God’s Sabbath rest in Jesus Christ. “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience” (
Hebrews 4:9–11).

There is no other Sabbath rest besides Jesus. He alone satisfies the requirements of the Law, and He alone provides the sacrifice that atones for sin. He is God’s plan for us to cease from the labor of our own works. We dare not reject this one-and-only Way of salvation (
John 14:6).

God’s reaction to those who choose to reject His plan is seen in
Numbers 15. A man was found gathering sticks on the Sabbath day, in spite of God’s plain commandment to cease from all labor on the Sabbath. This transgression was a known and willful sin, done with unblushing boldness in broad daylight, in open defiance of the divine authority. “Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp’” (verse 35). So it will be to all who reject God’s provision for our Sabbath rest in Christ. “How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?” (Hebrews 2:3).
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Sabbath.html

Well said!

Jesus is the real substance of the things hidden in the shadows of the Old Testament.

To those that try to pervert the gospel of the grace of God in the New Covenant by saying that Christians that don't follow the Sabbath day as in the Old Testament way - that they are sinning and dis-obeying God.


I say in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ to those types that you are perverting the gospel of the grace of Christ and we are not going to fall for that "bewitching" and Judaizing and we will not give in to that for even one hour - like Paul said - so that the truth of the gospel would remain with us.

To those that observe the Sabbath today because of their ethnic background ( they have a Jewish background or are gentiles who just choose to on their own ) "knowing full well that Christ alone is the real Sabbath rest"

- they see the Old Testament Sabbath as a type and a shadow of Christ Himself - to those I say "Happy Sabbath!"

Enjoy and tell us how you see Christ as our total rest from our own works. Tell us how He has fulfilled all things as we rest in His finished work on the cross and resurrection.
 
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JaumeJ

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My main point about the Sabbath, the Seventh day is not that it is a lw, and it never was a sticking point for me.

The Seventh day is designated by God, while those who believe Sunday is the true sabbath have no authority other.
that at tradition dreamed up by men.

I do, however , observe the Sabbath of our Father on the day He designates, and no damount of taking about rest or no rest will ever change the order of creation , nor the fact that God, Himsalv, hallowed the Seventh Day.

also, we all form part of the Body of Christ.

Christ declared that His Father was yet working, and so must He.

The labor of saving souls will not stop before Christ's return, therefore we labor, be it teh SAbbath of God or not because
our Father has not ceased His labor.

All who are already reasing, mind what you are saying.
 
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Well said!

Jesus is the real substance of the things hidden in the shadows of the Old Testament. To those that try to pervert the gospel of the grace of God in the New Covenant by saying that Christians that don't follow the Sabbath day as in the Old Testament way - that they are sinning and dis-obeying God. I say in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ to those types that you are perverting the gospel of the grace of Christ and we are not going to fall for that "bewitching" and Judaizing and we will not give in to that for even one hour - like Paul said - so that the truth of the gospel would remain with us.

To those that observe the Sabbath today because of their ethnic background ( they have a Jewish background or are gentiles who just choose to on their own ) "knowing full well that Christ alone is the real Sabbath rest"
- they see the Old Testament Sabbath as a type and a shadow of Christ Himself - to those I say "Happy Sabbath!"

Enjoy and tell us how you see Christ as our total rest from our own works. Tell us how He has fulfilled all things as we rest in His finished work on the cross and resurrection.

Hi Grace777,

Your a funny one :). Same stories same stories. We must believe the Word of God over the teachings and traditions of man. It is sad you close your eyes to all the scripture that have been sent to you from those here that believe God's Word in the past so no use saying anything else to you.

If you reject God's Word to follow man made traditions and teachings over the Word of God it is between you and God. You are entitled to your view. We must all stand before God one day for the things that we say and do in this life. We all need to ask ourselves, do we believe and follow Jesus or do we not believe God's Word and follow our own ways? Jesus says...
"If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day (John 12:47-48)

As for me I follow Jesus because I love him. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit. (Rom 8). Jesus says " If you love me keep my commandments" (John 14:15) Everything else has already been shared with you but you reject God's Word to follow your tradtions.
We follow Jesus because we love him and this is what he has asked us of us.

If you are correct in anything you have said above please enlighten us and show us "one bible verse" from even one question that says...

The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?


That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?


That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?


Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?


That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?


From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?


Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?


That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?


That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?


Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?


Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?


Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?


That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?


That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?


That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?


That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?


Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?


Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?


Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?


Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?


Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?


Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?


Hope this is helpful and gives you something to think about. I know you will not even attempt to answer anything here but this is not really written for you.

God bless everyone

 
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loveme1

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My main point about the Sabbath, the Seventh day is not that it is a lw, and it never was a sticking point for me.

The Seventh day is designated by God, while those who believe Sunday is the true sabbath have no authority other.
that at tradition dreamed up by men.

I do, however , observe the Sabbath of our Father on the day He designates, and no damount of taking about rest or no rest will ever change the order of creation , nor the fact that God, Himsalv, hallowed the Seventh Day.

also, we all form part of the Body of Christ.

Christ declared that His Father was yet working, and so must He.

The labor of saving souls will not stop before Christ's return, therefore we labor, be it teh SAbbath of God or not because
our Father has not ceased His labor.

All who are already reasing, mind what you are saying.

You never exalt yourself only try to teach as you are taught by he Messiah.

James 4

7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
11Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. 12There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?


Is this not true? Does this not summarise what we are doing?

Glory to the Almighty GOD.
 

graceNpeace

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By what you are saying here Paul lived in unbelief because Paul made it clear that he kept the law friend (Acts 24 - 28). I understand what you are saying but I do believe that somewhere you will have to stop quoting Paul because what you are saying here is contradicting his words.

I know you are not trying to trick me :) never said that. I believe we all love Christ and these are important things we are discussing (our end destination might depend on it :) ). If we can use it to build God's Kingdom there is nothing wrong with discussing God's word. We also see the believers in Acts discussing God's word. They even went their separate ways because of their differences. :)

God bless
Anyone who gets the impression from Acts 24-28 that Paul practised as a Jew AFTER his conversion to Christianity is someone with an ulterior motive!
Yes, Paul owned up to being a Jew!
And then he got saved and everything changed...
And, it certainly cannot be concluded when Paul's actual writings are studied!

Paul neither kept the law once he was saved and never instructed others to do that either.
As per usual you have to take verses out of context to try to "prove" your point!
 

JaumeJ

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Pleaase hear and understand that my understandign concerning the Seventh Day is only based on what God has taught us by the Word, Jesus christ and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

If all will look and examine the arguments that the Seventh Day is only a lw, you will find they do not refer to the gospel of Jesus Christ not to His words, except for mis-uniting His teaching on giving us res, for He is referring to the hypocritical teachings of tehe hypocrites. He say we should learn from Him for His yoke is easy and Hi burden is light.

Now, you against the Seventh day understand you are using the Epistles to justify something that is angti-jjkWord, for Jesus does not teach us tochange the order of Creasion.

Having shared this understand you who so value the Epistles over the Gospel as from Christ, if you claim to believe Paul, what is your problem with others not observing the First Day as teh Sabbath of the Lord? Does not Paul tell you one esteems one day while anoter does not? Both are correct if they do thhis in good conscience in the sight of God.

Stop the hypocrisy of fingering others whose only desire is to please God. The do not finger you....remember this when you come saying the Seventh Day hallowed by the Father musst be sinful because it is a law, it was hallowed by the Father long before the law was given.........read the Word, and worship theWords. The Word is our Savior, Jesus Christ.
 

JaumeJ

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Hving said all the below, I bid all a Good Sabbath, be it Satruday or Sunday....... You do not put me over the edge, so get back on solid ground also.

Pleaase hear and understand that my understandign concerning the Seventh Day is only based on what God has taught us by the Word, Jesus christ and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

If all will look and examine the arguments that the Seventh Day is only a lw, you will find they do not refer to the gospel of Jesus Christ not to His words, except for mis-uniting His teaching on giving us res, for He is referring to the hypocritical teachings of tehe hypocrites. He say we should learn from Him for His yoke is easy and Hi burden is light.

Now, you against the Seventh day understand you are using the Epistles to justify something that is angti-jjkWord, for Jesus does not teach us tochange the order of Creasion.

Having shared this understand you who so value the Epistles over the Gospel as from Christ, if you claim to believe Paul, what is your problem with others not observing the First Day as teh Sabbath of the Lord? Does not Paul tell you one esteems one day while anoter does not? Both are correct if they do thhis in good conscience in the sight of God.

Stop the hypocrisy of fingering others whose only desire is to please God. The do not finger you....remember this when you come saying the Seventh Day hallowed by the Father musst be sinful because it is a law, it was hallowed by the Father long before the law was given.........read the Word, and worship theWords. The Word is our Savior, Jesus Christ.
 

loveme1

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Anyone who gets the impression from Acts 24-28 that Paul practised as a Jew AFTER his conversion to Christianity is someone with an ulterior motive!
Yes, Paul owned up to being a Jew!
And then he got saved and everything changed...
And, it certainly cannot be concluded when Paul's actual writings are studied!

Paul neither kept the law once he was saved and never instructed others to do that either.
As per usual you have to take verses out of context to try to "prove" your point!
If you know Heavenly Father and the Messiah and they be your foundation you would not stumble at what Paul shared... if you do not adhere to the Messiah's Testimony you will fall.. If the Messiah said even to the least Commandment then you hear and do... then read what Paul wrote and stand fast.. it is one thing to not keep Sabbath in your liberty but quite another to use Paul's writings to justify this... Paul himself declared not to make him your idol for he himself beseeched of such practice...