Sabbath

[posthuman]

I think your bias against the God of the Bible has clouded your vision.

i think you should stop bearing false witness against your neighbour.


Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

 

[posthuman]

Romans 3:20
by the law is the knowledge of sin

Hebrews 8:12
I will remember their sins no more

 

[Dan_473]

SO then how do you believe there is any Covenant with any Gentile? Hebrew makes it clear the Covenant spoken of in Jer 31 is the Covenant in Messiah;s blood, yet you exclude "NT" believers...

Jeremiah 31:31-40,31 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a renewed covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah, (Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-17) "32 not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I strengthened their hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares יהוה. 33 “For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people."34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”"35 Thus said יהוה, who gives the sun for a light by day, and the laws of the moon and the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea, and its waves roar – יהוה of hosts is His Name:"36 “If these laws vanish from before Me,” declares יהוה, “then the seed of Yisra’ĕl shall also cease from being a nation before Me forever.”"37 Thus said יהוה, “If the heavens above could be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I would also cast off all the seed of Yisra’ĕl for all that they have done,” declares יהוה."38 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “that the city shall be built for יהוה from the Tower of Ḥanan’ĕl to the Corner Gate."39 “And the measuring line shall again extend straight ahead to the hill Garĕḇ, then it shall turn toward Go‛ah."40 “And all the valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the wadi Qiḏron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, is to be set-apart to יהוה. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down any more forever.”

Hebrews 10:14-19,, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are being set apart. And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them, (Jer 31:33)” and, “Their sins and their lawlessness I shall remember no more. (Jer 31:34)” Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer a slaughter offering for sin. So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע.”

So even though it's quoted word for word and explained in the following verses of Hebrews (10:18-19) as the Covenant in the blood of Messiah, you say no? SO according to you Gentiles would have no part in the Covenant in Messiah;s blood if you say this... If you look to ROmans 9 you will also see in Psalm 105 the COvenant with Israyl is the same covenant made with Abraham...



In ancient Israyl Gentiles who kept the Passover to YHWH were a part of the Covenant and as the nativeborn:

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

How does one enter the Covenant spoken of in Hebrews 10 and Jer 31? By accepting the Messiah, who is the true Passover Lamb:

1 Peter/Kepha 1:18, “knowing that you were redeemed from your futile way of life inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless.”



Very vauge statement, you would have to give an exact passage so the greek can be consulted. But since I know Paul's writings well, I can easily look at this:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Paul is saying one does not have to be blood Israyl to be ab Israylite... just like

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

and if we consoder his statement about "Abraham's seed" we can look to the word and see the Covenant made with Abraham is the same one made to Israyl, and Hebrews 10 shows us this is indeed the covenant in Messiah;s blood.

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

There can be covenants with Gentiles unrelated to Israel. I believe God makes a covenant with all humans at the time of Noah about never again destroying the Earth by flood.

 

[Dan_473]

SO then how do you believe there is any Covenant with any Gentile? Hebrew makes it clear the Covenant spoken of in Jer 31 is the Covenant in Messiah;s blood, yet you exclude "NT" believers...

Jeremiah 31:31-40,31 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a renewed covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah, (Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-17) "32 not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I strengthened their hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares יהוה. 33 “For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people."34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”"35 Thus said יהוה, who gives the sun for a light by day, and the laws of the moon and the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea, and its waves roar – יהוה of hosts is His Name:"36 “If these laws vanish from before Me,” declares יהוה, “then the seed of Yisra’ĕl shall also cease from being a nation before Me forever.”"37 Thus said יהוה, “If the heavens above could be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I would also cast off all the seed of Yisra’ĕl for all that they have done,” declares יהוה."38 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “that the city shall be built for יהוה from the Tower of Ḥanan’ĕl to the Corner Gate."39 “And the measuring line shall again extend straight ahead to the hill Garĕḇ, then it shall turn toward Go‛ah."40 “And all the valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the wadi Qiḏron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, is to be set-apart to יהוה. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down any more forever.”

Hebrews 10:14-19,, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are being set apart. And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them, (Jer 31:33)” and, “Their sins and their lawlessness I shall remember no more. (Jer 31:34)” Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer a slaughter offering for sin. So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע.”

So even though it's quoted word for word and explained in the following verses of Hebrews (10:18-19) as the Covenant in the blood of Messiah, you say no? SO according to you Gentiles would have no part in the Covenant in Messiah;s blood if you say this... If you look to ROmans 9 you will also see in Psalm 105 the COvenant with Israyl is the same covenant made with Abraham...



In ancient Israyl Gentiles who kept the Passover to YHWH were a part of the Covenant and as the nativeborn:

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

How does one enter the Covenant spoken of in Hebrews 10 and Jer 31? By accepting the Messiah, who is the true Passover Lamb:

1 Peter/Kepha 1:18, “knowing that you were redeemed from your futile way of life inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless.”



Very vauge statement, you would have to give an exact passage so the greek can be consulted. But since I know Paul's writings well, I can easily look at this:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Paul is saying one does not have to be blood Israyl to be ab Israylite... just like

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

and if we consoder his statement about "Abraham's seed" we can look to the word and see the Covenant made with Abraham is the same one made to Israyl, and Hebrews 10 shows us this is indeed the covenant in Messiah;s blood.

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

I don't think I said New Testament Believers are excluded from the Covenant talked about in Jeremiah 31. I think I said they probably were included, that it probably is the New Covenant in Jesus blood. Though I do see that there are covenants plural of promise.

 

[posthuman]

There can be covenants with Gentiles unrelated to Israel. I believe God makes a covenant with all humans at the time of Noah about never again destroying the Earth by flood.

with every creature, even. not just mankind.

Genesis 9:9-10
Behold, I establish My covenant with you and your offspring after you, and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the livestock, and every beast of the earth with you, as many as came out of the ark; it is for every beast of the earth.

 

[Dan_473]

SO then how do you believe there is any Covenant with any Gentile? Hebrew makes it clear the Covenant spoken of in Jer 31 is the Covenant in Messiah;s blood, yet you exclude "NT" believers...

Jeremiah 31:31-40,31 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a renewed covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah, (Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-17) "32 not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I strengthened their hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares יהוה. 33 “For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people."34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”"35 Thus said יהוה, who gives the sun for a light by day, and the laws of the moon and the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea, and its waves roar – יהוה of hosts is His Name:"36 “If these laws vanish from before Me,” declares יהוה, “then the seed of Yisra’ĕl shall also cease from being a nation before Me forever.”"37 Thus said יהוה, “If the heavens above could be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I would also cast off all the seed of Yisra’ĕl for all that they have done,” declares יהוה."38 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “that the city shall be built for יהוה from the Tower of Ḥanan’ĕl to the Corner Gate."39 “And the measuring line shall again extend straight ahead to the hill Garĕḇ, then it shall turn toward Go‛ah."40 “And all the valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the wadi Qiḏron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, is to be set-apart to יהוה. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down any more forever.”

Hebrews 10:14-19,, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are being set apart. And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them, (Jer 31:33)” and, “Their sins and their lawlessness I shall remember no more. (Jer 31:34)” Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer a slaughter offering for sin. So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע.”

So even though it's quoted word for word and explained in the following verses of Hebrews (10:18-19) as the Covenant in the blood of Messiah, you say no? SO according to you Gentiles would have no part in the Covenant in Messiah;s blood if you say this... If you look to ROmans 9 you will also see in Psalm 105 the COvenant with Israyl is the same covenant made with Abraham...



In ancient Israyl Gentiles who kept the Passover to YHWH were a part of the Covenant and as the nativeborn:

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

How does one enter the Covenant spoken of in Hebrews 10 and Jer 31? By accepting the Messiah, who is the true Passover Lamb:

1 Peter/Kepha 1:18, “knowing that you were redeemed from your futile way of life inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless.”



Very vauge statement, you would have to give an exact passage so the greek can be consulted. But since I know Paul's writings well, I can easily look at this:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Paul is saying one does not have to be blood Israyl to be ab Israylite... just like

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

and if we consoder his statement about "Abraham's seed" we can look to the word and see the Covenant made with Abraham is the same one made to Israyl, and Hebrews 10 shows us this is indeed the covenant in Messiah;s blood.

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

I don't follow your explanation about Jesus, accepting Jesus is the same as keeping the Passover. Or is that what you mean, that accepting Jesus is the same as keeping the Passover? Or did you mean the keeping the Passover physically is the same as accepting Jesus?

 

[Dan_473]

SO then how do you believe there is any Covenant with any Gentile? Hebrew makes it clear the Covenant spoken of in Jer 31 is the Covenant in Messiah;s blood, yet you exclude "NT" believers...

Jeremiah 31:31-40,31 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a renewed covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah, (Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-17) "32 not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I strengthened their hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares יהוה. 33 “For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people."34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”"35 Thus said יהוה, who gives the sun for a light by day, and the laws of the moon and the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea, and its waves roar – יהוה of hosts is His Name:"36 “If these laws vanish from before Me,” declares יהוה, “then the seed of Yisra’ĕl shall also cease from being a nation before Me forever.”"37 Thus said יהוה, “If the heavens above could be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I would also cast off all the seed of Yisra’ĕl for all that they have done,” declares יהוה."38 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “that the city shall be built for יהוה from the Tower of Ḥanan’ĕl to the Corner Gate."39 “And the measuring line shall again extend straight ahead to the hill Garĕḇ, then it shall turn toward Go‛ah."40 “And all the valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the wadi Qiḏron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, is to be set-apart to יהוה. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down any more forever.”

Hebrews 10:14-19,, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are being set apart. And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them, (Jer 31:33)” and, “Their sins and their lawlessness I shall remember no more. (Jer 31:34)” Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer a slaughter offering for sin. So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע.”

So even though it's quoted word for word and explained in the following verses of Hebrews (10:18-19) as the Covenant in the blood of Messiah, you say no? SO according to you Gentiles would have no part in the Covenant in Messiah;s blood if you say this... If you look to ROmans 9 you will also see in Psalm 105 the COvenant with Israyl is the same covenant made with Abraham...



In ancient Israyl Gentiles who kept the Passover to YHWH were a part of the Covenant and as the nativeborn:

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

How does one enter the Covenant spoken of in Hebrews 10 and Jer 31? By accepting the Messiah, who is the true Passover Lamb:

1 Peter/Kepha 1:18, “knowing that you were redeemed from your futile way of life inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless.”



Very vauge statement, you would have to give an exact passage so the greek can be consulted. But since I know Paul's writings well, I can easily look at this:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Paul is saying one does not have to be blood Israyl to be ab Israylite... just like

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

and if we consoder his statement about "Abraham's seed" we can look to the word and see the Covenant made with Abraham is the same one made to Israyl, and Hebrews 10 shows us this is indeed the covenant in Messiah;s blood.

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Here's where Paul talks about the covenants of promise

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/ephesians/2-12.htm

 

[Dan_473]

SO then how do you believe there is any Covenant with any Gentile? Hebrew makes it clear the Covenant spoken of in Jer 31 is the Covenant in Messiah;s blood, yet you exclude "NT" believers...

Jeremiah 31:31-40,31 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a renewed covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah, (Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-17) "32 not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I strengthened their hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares יהוה. 33 “For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people."34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”"35 Thus said יהוה, who gives the sun for a light by day, and the laws of the moon and the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea, and its waves roar – יהוה of hosts is His Name:"36 “If these laws vanish from before Me,” declares יהוה, “then the seed of Yisra’ĕl shall also cease from being a nation before Me forever.”"37 Thus said יהוה, “If the heavens above could be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I would also cast off all the seed of Yisra’ĕl for all that they have done,” declares יהוה."38 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “that the city shall be built for יהוה from the Tower of Ḥanan’ĕl to the Corner Gate."39 “And the measuring line shall again extend straight ahead to the hill Garĕḇ, then it shall turn toward Go‛ah."40 “And all the valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the wadi Qiḏron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, is to be set-apart to יהוה. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down any more forever.”

Hebrews 10:14-19,, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are being set apart. And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them, (Jer 31:33)” and, “Their sins and their lawlessness I shall remember no more. (Jer 31:34)” Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer a slaughter offering for sin. So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע.”

So even though it's quoted word for word and explained in the following verses of Hebrews (10:18-19) as the Covenant in the blood of Messiah, you say no? SO according to you Gentiles would have no part in the Covenant in Messiah;s blood if you say this... If you look to ROmans 9 you will also see in Psalm 105 the COvenant with Israyl is the same covenant made with Abraham...



In ancient Israyl Gentiles who kept the Passover to YHWH were a part of the Covenant and as the nativeborn:

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

How does one enter the Covenant spoken of in Hebrews 10 and Jer 31? By accepting the Messiah, who is the true Passover Lamb:

1 Peter/Kepha 1:18, “knowing that you were redeemed from your futile way of life inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless.”



Very vauge statement, you would have to give an exact passage so the greek can be consulted. But since I know Paul's writings well, I can easily look at this:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Paul is saying one does not have to be blood Israyl to be ab Israylite... just like

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

and if we consoder his statement about "Abraham's seed" we can look to the word and see the Covenant made with Abraham is the same one made to Israyl, and Hebrews 10 shows us this is indeed the covenant in Messiah;s blood.

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

I agree that we are now joined with Israel. But I don't think that means everywhere the Bible says the word Israel it includes New Testament believers.

 

[Dan_473]

SO then how do you believe there is any Covenant with any Gentile? Hebrew makes it clear the Covenant spoken of in Jer 31 is the Covenant in Messiah;s blood, yet you exclude "NT" believers...

Jeremiah 31:31-40,31 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall make a renewed covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah, (Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-17) "32 not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I strengthened their hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares יהוה. 33 “For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares יהוה: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people."34 “And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares יהוה. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”"35 Thus said יהוה, who gives the sun for a light by day, and the laws of the moon and the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea, and its waves roar – יהוה of hosts is His Name:"36 “If these laws vanish from before Me,” declares יהוה, “then the seed of Yisra’ĕl shall also cease from being a nation before Me forever.”"37 Thus said יהוה, “If the heavens above could be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I would also cast off all the seed of Yisra’ĕl for all that they have done,” declares יהוה."38 “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “that the city shall be built for יהוה from the Tower of Ḥanan’ĕl to the Corner Gate."39 “And the measuring line shall again extend straight ahead to the hill Garĕḇ, then it shall turn toward Go‛ah."40 “And all the valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the wadi Qiḏron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, is to be set-apart to יהוה. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down any more forever.”

Hebrews 10:14-19,, “For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are being set apart. And the Set-apart Spirit also witnesses to us, for after having said before, This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them, (Jer 31:33)” and, “Their sins and their lawlessness I shall remember no more. (Jer 31:34)” Now where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer a slaughter offering for sin. So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע.”

So even though it's quoted word for word and explained in the following verses of Hebrews (10:18-19) as the Covenant in the blood of Messiah, you say no? SO according to you Gentiles would have no part in the Covenant in Messiah;s blood if you say this... If you look to ROmans 9 you will also see in Psalm 105 the COvenant with Israyl is the same covenant made with Abraham...



In ancient Israyl Gentiles who kept the Passover to YHWH were a part of the Covenant and as the nativeborn:

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

How does one enter the Covenant spoken of in Hebrews 10 and Jer 31? By accepting the Messiah, who is the true Passover Lamb:

1 Peter/Kepha 1:18, “knowing that you were redeemed from your futile way of life inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless.”



Very vauge statement, you would have to give an exact passage so the greek can be consulted. But since I know Paul's writings well, I can easily look at this:

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Paul is saying one does not have to be blood Israyl to be ab Israylite... just like

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

and if we consoder his statement about "Abraham's seed" we can look to the word and see the Covenant made with Abraham is the same one made to Israyl, and Hebrews 10 shows us this is indeed the covenant in Messiah;s blood.

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Also did you want to talk about how the Covenant in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 is made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Are believers also separated into those houses?

 

[Studyman]

i think you should stop bearing false witness against your neighbour.


Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

It wasn't God's entire Commandment structure which is being discussed here. It is the "Levitical Priesthood".

It is deceptive how you post this one sentence and imply through it that all of God's instructions are "Weak" so they were "Removed" as you teach.

Heb. 7 is speaking specifically to the Priesthood as the chapter clearly shows. Other scriptures tell us the Levite Priests corrupted God's Word. I have already posted these scriptures as well. It is because of THEM that the Priesthood was "changed".

Heb. 8:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, (Carnal Priests) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

No more Levite Priests to perform "Works of the Law" for remission of sins.

We have a High Priest now who will not corrupt the instructions of God.

 

[Yahshua]

we are saved by this- belief and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. not by keeping the Law and Sabbath, which gentiles were never under.

I will proclaim the Gospel while you guys proclaim the Law.

Paul proclaimed the law. The gospel of The Kingdom is Yah's law ruling & reigning within each of His citizens. The gospel of Christ is being cleansed & forgiven so that one can become a citizen.

A question comes to mind that may be worth starting in another thread, but I think it's interesting and related to the Sabbath discussion here:

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True, gentiles were never "given" (i.e. "entrusted with") Yah's Law/Torah. That was the old covenant purpose of Yah's nation of priests; to spread the knowledge of Yah to the nations of the world. Ancient Israel was entrusted with His law to teach it to the nations.

But...

If gentiles were never under the law/Torah as you say...

[...Again, I'm noting a difference between "being given" the law and "being under" the law...]

If gentiles were never under the law/Torah as you've been saying, then what is their faith in Christ saving gentiles from? From Sins? What sins? From Yah's Judgment? What judgment?


- We all know that Christ came to save people from their sins. This is the basis of the faith.

- And we all agree that sin = breaking Yah's law. Again, these are elementary principles.

- And anyone who breaks any of Yah's law is under His judgment.

...but how could gentiles have any sin or be placed under Yah's judgment to even need a savior, based on what you've been saying?


You argue that gentiles never were under the law. But if we go with this understanding, gentiles likewise can't be charged with breaking the Torah that was never over them, right? They can't be guilty of ANY sin against Yah to even need Christ, right? If gentiles never were under the law then they equally never need to be saved.


It's also been argued that "Christ is the 'Sabbath rest' from the work of the law", but again gentiles were never given that "work of the law". So what "work" are gentiles resting from? Equally, they don't need Christ as their Sabbath rest either.

We know that faith in Christ also provides the Holy Spirit to move believers to obey the spirit of Yah's law. Perfectly true. But again what is Christ saving the gentile from if gentiles were never under the law/Torah, either as pagans or now as those grafted into the faith? Do you see what I mean? Again there has to be understood the difference between being "given" (i.e. entrusted with or to know) the law vs being "under" (i.e. in violation of) the law.

Again, the foundation is "faith in Christ = salvation", but...

Salvation from what, for the gentile?

- If it's "salvation from sin's judgment", then gentiles MUST have been under Yah's law too.

- But if gentiles were never under Yah's law then it can't be "salvation from sin's judgment" because gentiles lawfully don't have any sins against Yah.

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My point is this: we (jew and gentile) can't speak of salvation from sins without speaking about ALL of us once being "under [judgment of] the law", because that's what we ALL (Jew and Gentile) are saved from; judgment for breaking it. Sin. Gentiles simply weren't entrusted with it like Israel was because they weren't in the Sinai covenant with Yah to receive it.


Galatians 3:22
"...the scriptures have concluded that all are under sin..."

Romans 2:11-12-15 [brackets mine]
"For God does not show favoritism. When the Gentiles sin, they will be destroyed, even though they never had God's written law. And the Jews, who do have God's law, will be judged by that law when they fail to obey it.

For merely listening to the law doesn't make us right with God. It is obeying the law that makes us righteous in his sight.

Indeed, when Gentiles, who [were never entrusted with the Law], do by nature things the Law requires, [the things they do] are a Law to [those gentiles], even though they [were not entrusted with] the Law,

They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts [NEW COVENANT promise], for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right."


^Paul's words here literally should settle the matter. This passage explains what sin is, what righteousness is and what Yah's fair judgment is; the very things the Holy Spirit came to reprove/correct the world in.

This is why we must understand the nuances by separate things like "covenants" vs "the law", and the law "being given" to one group vs "not being given" to another. We incorrectly conflate these concepts and miss that Paul is explaining that the gospel is, "Christ has delivered us from judgment and has given us the power to finally obey Yah's law unadulterated; without any leaven. So then now DO IT believer, because the mystery of godliness has now be revealed to where you now can: Christ himself in you".

Philippians 4:13
"I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength."

 

[posthuman]

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

It wasn't God's entire Commandment structure which is being discussed here. It is the "Levitical Priesthood".

It is deceptive how you post this one sentence and imply through it that all of God's instructions are "Weak" so they were "Removed" as you teach.

Heb. 7 is speaking specifically to the Priesthood as the chapter clearly shows. Other scriptures tell us the Levite Priests corrupted God's Word. I have already posted these scriptures as well. It is because of THEM that the Priesthood was "changed".

Heb. 8:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, (Carnal Priests) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah

No more Levite Priests to perform "Works of the Law" for remission of sins.

We have a High Priest now who will not corrupt the instructions of God.

does any of that justify your lies and slander concerning my character? nope. you just pretending you don't sin with your mouth, moving on, hoping we forget?

i forgive you.

nevertheless:
what happened to the Law, the commandment of God, that made Levi priest, and demanded the sacrifices?
where is it?
was it blotted out?

hmm.

 

[Studyman]

does any of that justify your lies and slander concerning my character? nope. you just pretending you don't so with your mouth, moving on, hoping we forget?

i forgive you.

nevertheless:
what happened to the Law, the commandment of God, that made Levi priest, and demanded the sacrifices?
where is it?
was it blotted out?

hmm.

Well what does the Bible say? Was there a sacrifice like the "Law" required? I believe there was.

Is there still a Priesthood? According to the Bible there still is. Isn't the Messiah our High Priest? How can we have a High Priest with no Priesthood? Is He not performing Priesthood duties in heaven for us even now? I believe the scriptures say He is.

Has the Priesthood changed? Yes, I believe it has. There was a Priesthood in which we must find a Levite Priest for the atonement of sins. As far as I know, this is no longer the case.

Did Messiah nail the Priesthood to the Cross? I hope not, if there is no Priest, there is no mediator between God and man?

Did His sacrifice get "Blotted out"? Maybe in some religions, but not according to the Bible. His Blood is for the atonement of ALL past sins, even those committed today.

 

[Shamah]

Whats up with this mult-post thing? You are not even touching on the things I am saying or asking you are just reply to each with one line in another direction. Fine to go in another direction but shouold also acknowledge or reply to what Im actually saying...

There can be covenants with Gentiles unrelated to Israel. I believe God makes a covenant with all humans at the time of Noah about never again destroying the Earth by flood.

SO are you saying Gentiles are under the Noahide covenant? If that were true the Gentiles would have nothing to do wit hthe Messiah, Hebrews is clear the blood of Messiah ratified the Covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31.

I don't think I said New Testament Believers are excluded from the Covenant talked about in Jeremiah 31. I think I said they probably were included, that it probably is the New Covenant in Jesus blood. Though I do see that there are covenants plural of promise.

But you can;t have it both ways and be Scriptually true. If Gentiles are not in Jer 31 and in Noah COvenant then they have no part with the Messiah, if they are a part of Jer 31 then the Law is in the heart... Grafted into Israyl... as a native born...

I don't follow your explanation about Jesus, accepting Jesus is the same as keeping the Passover. Or is that what you mean, that accepting Jesus is the same as keeping the Passover? Or did you mean the keeping the Passover physically is the same as accepting Jesus?

I meant Yahshua/Jesus is the real Passover. The animal Passover sacrificewas a placeholder until the Messiah came and was the real Passover Lamb.

As Exodus 12 showed keeping the Passover is how a gentile was grafted in back them, in the same manner accepting Yahshua as the Passover Lamb not grafts a gentile in.

Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

1 Peter/Kepha 1:18, “knowing that you were redeemed from your futile way of life inherited from your fathers, not with what is corruptible, silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless.”

Here's where Paul talks about the covenants of promise

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/ephesians/2-12.htm

Everyone has their own intrepratation, to me, Eph 2 is proving everything im saying, about being a part of Israyl, and also, what is abolished?

Eph 2:16 "and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility/enmity."

added wored in italics in verse 14 will change the meaning... If the added words are correct then the Messiah is wrong in Mat 5 and Luke 16, I do not beleive the added words are correct.

I agree that we are now joined with Israel. But I don't think that means everywhere the Bible says the word Israel it includes New Testament believers.

I agree with this and never said it did. All Scripture must be considered in context and in it's spirit/intent. But every Scripture can be learned from 100%

Also did you want to talk about how the Covenant in Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8 is made with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Are believers also separated into those houses?

If you have any thoughts go ahead. I think it is written this way because the 12 tribes were divided into 2 territories. 2 tribes in the south: Judea, and 10 tribes to the north: Israyl... I do not see a doctrinal difference in the division that has effect on anything concerning following the Most High.

 

[Dan_473]

If you want to ignore what is written yes, if you want to accept what is written no. The passage startes with: "He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham" He made the Covenant WITH Abraham, Abraham was alive and died before the eoxdus from Egypt...

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”



Wow... just wow...

the bolded words taking about the Messiah:

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and His throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

Sounds like we agree then that the Covenant in Psalm 105 it's not the same as the Covenant in Jeremiah 31.

 

[Dan_473]

If you want to ignore what is written yes, if you want to accept what is written no. The passage startes with: "He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham" He made the Covenant WITH Abraham, Abraham was alive and died before the eoxdus from Egypt...

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”



Wow... just wow...

the bolded words taking about the Messiah:

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and His throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

I was asking about Psalm 105, and you quoted Psalm 89? I'm not following why you did that.

 

[Dan_473]

Again wow, so the prophets do not include the prophecies they make? LOL!

What did the prophets write? Is everything they wrote fulfilled? No there are hundreds of prophecies about the Messiah's return that have not yet been completed...

When Yahshua stood up in the synagogue and read from Isaiah, why did he stop where he did?

Because that was the part He fulfilled in His first coming:

Luke 4:17-21, “And the scroll of the prophet Yeshayahu was handed to Him. And having unrolled the scroll, He found the place where it was written: “The Spirit of יהוה is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to bring the Good News to the poor. He has sent Me to heal the broken-hearted, to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to send away crushed ones with a release, to proclaim the acceptable year of יהוה.” (Isa 61:1-3) And having rolled up the scroll, He gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the congregation were fixed upon Him. And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been filled in your hearing.”

Fulfilled already - To be fulfilled in the future

Isaiah 61:1-11, "61:1, “The Spirit of the Master יהוה is upon Me, because יהוה has anointed Me to bring good news to the meek. He has sent Me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim release to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound,"61:2, "to proclaim the acceptable year of יהוה, and the day of vengeance of our Mighty One, to comfort all who mourn,"61:3, "to appoint unto those who mourn in Tsiyon: to give them embellishment for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness. And they shall be called trees of righteousness, a planting of יהוה, to be adorned."61:4, "And they shall rebuild the old ruins, raise up the former wastes. And they shall restore the ruined cities, the wastes of many generations."61:5, "And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the foreigner be your plowmen and your vine dressers."61:6, "But you shall be called, ‘Priests of יהוה,’ ‘Servants of our Mighty One’ shall be said of you. You shall consume the strength of the nations, and boast in their esteem."61:7, "Instead of your shame and reproach, they rejoice a second time in their portion. Therefore they take possession a second time in their land, everlasting joy is theirs."61:8, "“For I, יהוה, love right-ruling; I hate robbery for ascending offering. And I shall give their reward in truth, and make an everlasting covenant with them."61:9, "“And their seed shall be known among the nations, and their offspring in the midst of the peoples. All who see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed יהוה has blessed.”"61:10, "I greatly rejoice in יהוה, my being exults in my Mighty One. For He has put garments of deliverance on me, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels."61:11, "For as the earth brings forth its bud, as the garden causes the seed to shoot up, so the Master יהוה causes righteousness and praise to shoot up before all the nations!”

and to show you you prophets without their prophecies doctrine is false:

Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day.”

all.

There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already:
1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice(Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)
2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice
3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever

To be fulfilled in the future:
4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints
5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years
6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness
7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

That's correct, that saying the prophets is not the same as saying prophecies. Because Jesus already fulfilled the prophets, he said that's what he came to do. But of course there are still many prophecies.

Note that the law and the prophets is treating other people like you want them to treat you. But clearly, that is not all of the prophecies.

So yes, difference between law and Prophets and prophecies. I Think Jesus completed his fulfilling of the law and the prophets when he came.

 

[Dan_473]

You are isolating, bacause if you take that at face value you have a contradiction:

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Lawful does not mean profane. Yahshua was posing a uestiong to the prahisees from their own twisted logic.



The purpose of the Sabbath is to do YHWH will, doing His will in any form is not "breaking the Sabbath" it is the intent for one to cease from their own works Ex 20 and do Yah;s works Isa 56...

Now this can be used to do Yah;s will or as a cloak for evil... As Peter says let us not use our freedom for evil but lets be doulos to the Messiah...

It is lawful to do what is righteous on the Sabbath. Now does that mean that if you are doing a righteous Act, that whatever else you do is also lawful? Jesus said the priests break the Sabbath. Do you believe that he was simply parroting the Pharisees that he didn't actually think that the priest break the Sabbath? That would be an interesting way to interpret it.

 

[Dan_473]

You are isolating, bacause if you take that at face value you have a contradiction:

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Lawful does not mean profane. Yahshua was posing a uestiong to the prahisees from their own twisted logic.



The purpose of the Sabbath is to do YHWH will, doing His will in any form is not "breaking the Sabbath" it is the intent for one to cease from their own works Ex 20 and do Yah;s works Isa 56...

Now this can be used to do Yah;s will or as a cloak for evil... As Peter says let us not use our freedom for evil but lets be doulos to the Messiah...

Absolutely! Do the will of God, which I would take to me walk in the spirit, and you don't have to worry about what Commandments are in the law, you are not under the law.

 

[Studyman]

That's correct, that saying the prophets is not the same as saying prophecies. Because Jesus already fulfilled the prophets, he said that's what he came to do. But of course there are still many prophecies.

Note that the law and the prophets is treating other people like you want them to treat you. But clearly, that is not all of the prophecies.

So yes, difference between law and Prophets and prophecies. I Think Jesus completed his fulfilling of the law and the prophets when he came.

So when He was born, you preach that "ALL" was fulfilled? Or was the Promise of His Birth fulfilled? So when He was killed, you preach "ALL" was fulfilled, or was the prophesy of Him dying fulfilled?

Matt. 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Matt. 2:
17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

Matt. 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Matt. 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

My Master is still alive and is still my High Priest. He is still performing duties foretold of Him to this day and has yet to fulfill "ALL" that He has promised by the mouths of the Prophets to fulfill.

He said He "came to fulfill" ALL the Law and Prophets. I believe He will continue until ALL is fulfilled. That is my hope.