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What did Christ say about it? Not what did the Saint Apostle Paul say, but what did Christ say. As a Christian I listen to my Lord and He did not say the ten commands are invalid.
Live as you wish. When you live your life as if the spiritual ten commands of God no longer have weight for a Christian, that is your decision.
Please don't think you have leave to lead others to follow .
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The ten commandment are valid. The one called the Sabbath (rest) which is not a time sensitive word is represented as ceremonial law is valid in ceremonies as shadows used in parable. This can be seen by the two different rendering Exodus and Deuteronomy. Both having different reasoning. No need for shadows in moral laws .

We simply cannot judge one another in respect to shadows of the unseen eternal rest. It will come when heaven and earth pass away.

Until then we walk by faith the unseen eternal and not after the temporal shadows .

Colossians 2:16-18 King James Version (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
 
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I don't know who you are referring to, but I am referring to the Ten Commandments and I made that clear in my previous post. I agree that till heaven an earth pass, one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED, in other word, things have to continue to be fulfilled, Yeshua fulfilled many things and there are other things that has to be fulfilled. The sacrificing of animals was fulfill in Yeshua, once and for all and TILL ALL IS FULFILLED NOT ONE JOT OR TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW.
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You are correct, but they are too stubborn to construe grammatically what you are saying. Read Luke 24:44, Yeshua sometime after the resurrection went to the disciples and spoke past tense and future in that verse, another way of putting it he said, remember what I told you in the past that all must be fulfill. The problem is that they are mixing ordinances, laws, charges, statutes with the Ten Commandments.

The Scriptures tells us that Abraham kept all God's commandments, laws, ordinances, charges and statue. What were the commandments Abraham held and what was the laws he held? God gave them verbally, they have forgotten his ways, then he gave them on stone, now he stored them in the minds and written them in the hearts. Abraham have the law lived by faith. I agree with you that animal sacrifice is not needed, Yeshua did it once and for all. How I know that it was given verbally... Noah knew about the clean and unclean animals and Abraham too the butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat. How did Noah know about the clean and unclean? How did Abraham know not to mix butter and milk when preparing the calf? They knew because God verbally told them and that is common sense, but many think that the law was first given on tablets of stones.

Heaven and earth would past away, but the word of God stands forever!
 
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I don't know who you are referring to, but I am referring to the Ten Commandments and I made that clear in my previous post. I agree that till heaven an earth pass, one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED, in other word, things have to continue to be fulfilled, Yeshua fulfilled many things and there are other things that has to be fulfilled. The sacrificing of animals was fulfill in Yeshua, once and for all and TILL ALL IS FULFILLED NOT ONE JOT OR TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW.
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You are correct, but they are too stubborn to construe grammatically what you are saying. Read Luke 24:44, Yeshua sometime after the resurrection went to the disciples and spoke past tense and future in that verse, another way of putting it he said, remember what I told you in the past that all must be fulfilled. The problem is that they are mixing ordinances, laws, charges, statutes with the Ten Commandments.

The Scriptures tell us that Abraham kept all God's commandments, laws, ordinances, charges and statutes. What were the commandments did Abraham hold and what was the laws he held? God gave them verbally, but his people have forgotten his ways, so he gave it to them on tablets of stone and the new covenant (not an amended one) he stored them in the minds and written them in the hearts with the two houses, the old covenant he made not with two houses, but with their fathers. Abraham had the law, but lived by faith. Another thing, how would have Noah known about the clean and unclean animals and how would Abraham have known not to mix the butter, and milk, when dressing the calf?

I agree with you that animal sacrifices are not needed, Yeshua did it once and for all, he was the Lamb of God.

I think I could have posted the above twice, but this is the correct respond, I was proof reading the other one and I think I posted it by mistake.
 
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You are correct, but they are too stubborn to construe grammatically what you are saying. Read Luke 24:44, Yeshua sometime after the resurrection went to the disciples and spoke past tense and future in that verse, another way of putting it he said, remember what I told you in the past that all must be fulfill. The problem is that they are mixing ordinances, laws, charges, statutes with the Ten Commandments.

The Scriptures tells us that Abraham kept all God's commandments, laws, ordinances, charges and statue. What were the commandments Abraham held and what was the laws he held? God gave them verbally, they have forgotten his ways, then he gave them on stone, now he stored them in the minds and written them in the hearts. Abraham have the law lived by faith. I agree with you that animal sacrifice is not needed, Yeshua did it once and for all. How I know that it was given verbally... Noah knew about the clean and unclean animals and Abraham too the butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat. How did Noah know about the clean and unclean? How did Abraham know not to mix butter and milk when preparing the calf? They knew because God verbally told them and that is common sense, but many think that the law was first given on tablets of stones.

Heaven and earth would past away, but the word of God stands forever!
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They were typified as stored in the minds and written in the hearts as to the letter of the law that kills . But a man without the written law as it is written will perish without knowing one word of God.

The ten commandment was set aside as holy to show God is not served by human hands, (flesh and blood), in any way shape or form .

Neither does he live in temples made with human hands. He who has no needs satisfies all. He who is not a man as us is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases. he perform that which he appoints to us working with us to both will and do His good pleasure. He makes our hearts soft by his finger

Exodus 8:19Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.

That verse establishes the foundation of the written law of God .It would seem to reflect the writing in stone shown by Pharaoh's hard heart. No rest that comes from hearing God.

leading toward Mount Sinai the demonstration.

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

God himself hewn out the stone and with his finger wrote the words. To emphasize it when the first were destroyed. The next time he moved Moses a holy man of old to hew out the stone tablets carry them up the mountain and again. . He with his finger wrote the same words.

Exodus 34;1- King James Version (KJV) And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount. And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount. And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the Lord had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.

This shows us the meaning of a apostle "sent one". Sent with words not coming from the mind of the apostles like Moses but written by the finger of God . The handwriting is on the wall.

Daniel 5:5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote
 
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You are correct, but they are too stubborn to construe grammatically what you are saying. Read Luke 24:44, Yeshua sometime after the resurrection went to the disciples and spoke past tense and future in that verse, another way of putting it he said, remember what I told you in the past that all must be fulfilled. The problem is that they are mixing ordinances, laws, charges, statutes with the Ten Commandments.

The Scriptures tell us that Abraham kept all God's commandments, laws, ordinances, charges and statutes. What were the commandments did Abraham hold and what was the laws he held? God gave them verbally, but his people have forgotten his ways, so he gave it to them on tablets of stone and the new covenant (not an amended one) he stored them in the minds and written them in the hearts with the two houses, the old covenant he made not with two houses, but with their fathers. Abraham had the law, but lived by faith. Another thing, how would have Noah known about the clean and unclean animals and how would Abraham have known not to mix the butter, and milk, when dressing the calf?

I agree with you that animal sacrifices are not needed, Yeshua did it once and for all, he was the Lamb of God.

I think I could have posted the above twice, but this is the correct respond, I was proof reading the other one and I think I posted it by mistake.
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I would offer its a good idea to remember the word sabbath is not a time sensitive word in any way shape or form . Many have added the time element and destroyed it purpose used as a shadow of time .

We walk or understanding by the hearing of faith the eternal not seen,

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Abraham would not of known not to mix the butter, and milk, when dressing the calf if it was not revealed to Him from heaven .We have the written witness of God as to how to mix faith in what we hear called the gospel. (Hebrew 4)

Butter and milk are two metaphors that represent the living abiding Word of God .They do not apply to dead sacrifices like that of a calf. No mixing the dead with the living. The dead show life was given .Tts why the blood must be poured out to show spirt life was given. No dead sacrifices. God cannot die.
 
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They were typified as stored in the minds and written in the hearts as to the letter of the law that kills . But a man without the written law as it is written will perish without knowing one word of God.

The ten commandment was set aside as holy to show God is not served by human hands, (flesh and blood), in any way shape or form .

Neither does he live in temples made with human hands. He who has no needs satisfies all. He who is not a man as us is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases. he perform that which he appoints to us working with us to both will and do His good pleasure. He makes our hearts soft by his finger

Exodus 8:19Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.

That verse establishes the foundation of the written law of God .It would seem to reflect the writing in stone shown by Pharaoh's hard heart. No rest that comes from hearing God.

leading toward Mount Sinai the demonstration.

Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

God himself hewn out the stone and with his finger wrote the words. To emphasize it when the first were destroyed. The next time he moved Moses a holy man of old to hew out the stone tablets carry them up the mountain and again. . He with his finger wrote the same words.

Exodus 34;1- King James Version (KJV) And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount. And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount. And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the Lord had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.

This shows us the meaning of a apostle "sent one". Sent with words not coming from the mind of the apostles like Moses but written by the finger of God . The handwriting is on the wall.

Daniel 5:5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote
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I agree that the Ten Commandments are not done away with and I wrote a paper on it and have it in a PDF form to show that the Scriptures substantiates what God made clear when he first spoke. The Psalmist says... The law of the LORD are perfect converting the soul. If the law of God are perfect why would God want to do away with that which he called perfect? He won't, not to mention, Yeshua just took the curse of the law to the cross not the law.

In the past, I wrote that when Yeshua was writing on the ground, he probably was writing the Ten Commandment to show that he gave the law.
 
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I would offer its a good idea to remember the word sabbath is not a time sensitive word in any way shape or form . Many have added the time element and destroyed it purpose used as a shadow of time .

We walk or understanding by the hearing of faith the eternal not seen,

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Abraham would not of known not to mix the butter, and milk, when dressing the calf if it was not revealed to Him from heaven .We have the written witness of God as to how to mix faith in what we hear called the gospel. (Hebrew 4)

Butter and milk are two metaphors that represent the living abiding Word of God .They do not apply to dead sacrifices like that of a calf. No mixing the dead with the living. The dead show life was given .Tts why the blood must be poured out to show spirt life was given. No dead sacrifices. God cannot die.
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Yeshua was correct to say that the Sabbath was made for me, because in Exodus 20, the Ten Commandment it clearly states that the Sabbath is of the LORD. The one-day God gave man to hold, man deliberately removed it going against the word of God.

But as I stated, Abraham who lived by faith had the law and abide by it according to the LORD and Genesis 26:5 confirms this statement... Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
 
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I agree that the Ten Commandments are not done away with and I wrote a paper on it and have it in a PDF form to show that the Scriptures substantiates what God made clear when he first spoke. The Psalmist says... The law of the LORD are perfect converting the soul. If the law of God are perfect why would God want to do away with that which he called perfect? He won't, not to mention, Yeshua just took the curse of the law to the cross not the law.

In the past, I wrote that when Yeshua was writing on the ground, he probably was writing the Ten Commandment to show that he gave the law.
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Or, the Law of God is NOT the 10 commandments. And you confuse the two.

Moses Law is the 10 commandments.

Gods Law is the CAUSE of obedience. Commandments can never be the cause of obedience. Commandments are not the cause of conversion of the soul.

People who worship the Law instead of the Lawgiver cannot understand.

Romans 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


This was explained, and prophesied, in Ezekiel;

Ezekiel 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Being caused to walk in Gods Statutes is NOT working at the 10 commandments in your own understanding and strength. Being caused to walk in Gods Statutes is Resting in Christ and having the Fruit of the Spirit grown by God. Not by our works, lest any boast.
 
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I am not confusing anything and if I did not elaborate it is because I am responding to a post, so learn to ask a question before you ignorantly make a conclusion.

The Laws that Moses forward to the people was written by the finger of God, coming out of the mouth of God. In addition, if you refrain from idol worshiping, adultery, stealing, lying, if you keep the Sabbath, if you honor your parents, if you do not covet you are obedient to God who established the law, and if you are obedient to God your soul is converted, you are a changed man.

I agree with you that people worship the law instead of the Lawgiver, but people also conclude that if one say the law is not done away it means that they are worshiping the law and you appear to be one of those you concluded that. I never said anything about worshiping the law and you should have asked me the question before concluding in an in direct way that I am worshiping the law, and that is exactly what you intended to state.

Not to mention, all we have to do is seek first the kingdom of God because as we walk after the Spirit the Spirit will fulfill the righteousness of the law.

Question, and all I need is a yes or know... is the Ten commandment part of you life, if so, how?
 
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Or, the Law of God is NOT the 10 commandments. And you confuse the two.

Moses Law is the 10 commandments.

Gods Law is the CAUSE of obedience. Commandments can never be the cause of obedience. Commandments are not the cause of conversion of the soul.

People who worship the Law instead of the Lawgiver cannot understand.

Romans 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


This was explained, and prophesied, in Ezekiel;

Ezekiel 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Being caused to walk in Gods Statutes is NOT working at the 10 commandments in your own understanding and strength. Being caused to walk in Gods Statutes is Resting in Christ and having the Fruit of the Spirit grown by God. Not by our works, lest any boast.
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We know that no one is justified by the law and that the law cannot make one God's righteousness and that no man is saved by the law. Let see how perfect and powerful is the law of God... If a man says that he believes in Yeshua and say that he is saved, is he saved if he hates his brother, we know that hating a brother is like murdering and murderers do not enter the kingdom of God?
 
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We know that no one is justified by the law and that the law cannot make one God's righteousness and that no man is saved by the law. Let see how perfect and powerful is the law of God... If a man says that he believes in Yeshua and say that he is saved, is he saved if he hates his brother, we know that hating a brother is like murdering and murderers do not enter the kingdom of God?
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Which of the Fruit of the Spirit, that are grown when a person rests in Christ, would be the cause of hating a brother?


If the law cannot make you righteous then how can your "obedience" to it cause you to enter the Kingdom of God?
 
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Which of the Fruit of the Spirit, that are grown when a person rests in Christ, would be the cause of hating a brother?


If the law cannot make you righteous then how can your "obedience" to it cause you to enter the Kingdom of God?
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Just answer the question... If a man says that he believes in Yeshua and say that he is saved, is he saved if he hates his brother, we know that hating a brother is like murdering and murderers do not enter the kingdom of God? So, is he saved, yes or no what is all I am asking you to respond to. Then I will respond to your questions, but you are fabricating in your mind a lie, convincing yourself that I said the law makes one God's righteousness which I never said, in addition, you appear to falsely accuse me of saying that I did not say. Just answer my question and I will respond to yours.
 
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The ten commandment are valid. The one called the Sabbath (rest) which is not a time sensitive word is represented as ceremonial law is valid in ceremonies as shadows used in parable. This can be seen by the two different rendering Exodus and Deuteronomy. Both having different reasoning. No need for shadows in moral laws .

We simply cannot judge one another in respect to shadows of the unseen eternal rest. It will come when heaven and earth pass away.

Until then we walk by faith the unseen eternal and not after the temporal shadows .

Colossians 2:16-18 King James Version (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
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What is your take on two Sabbaths?
 
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Just answer the question... If a man says that he believes in Yeshua and say that he is saved, is he saved if he hates his brother, we know that hating a brother is like murdering and murderers do not enter the kingdom of God? So, is he saved, yes or no what is all I am asking you to respond to. Then I will respond to your questions, but you are fabricating in your mind a lie, convincing yourself that I said the law makes one God's righteousness which I never said, in addition, you appear to falsely accuse me of saying that I did not say. Just answer my question and I will respond to yours.
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Its not my place to judge who is saved and who is not.

But if he is truly saved then he can't out sin Gods Mercy. He doesn't waffle back and forth between being saved and not saved because of his sin.
 
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Its not my place to judge who is saved and who is not.

But if he is truly saved then he can't out sin Gods Mercy. He doesn't waffle back and forth between being saved and not saved because of his sin.
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It is not about judging, but about taking God at his word. I believe that one can betray his faith and that is scriptural and if a believer waffles back and forth most like he will turn away from God.
 
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What is your take on two Sabbaths?
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One time sensitive as ceremonial a shadow. One of the ten laws given in Exodus and Deuteronomy .

Because it is given as a parable two different reasoning are given to guard it or keep it. No one can keep what does not belong to us. Guard is the key . The ceremony is used on a day when regular work is set aside for bringing the gospel, the true fast the good work . And the other reckoned by today non time sensitive. Any time we hear his voice working in us to both will and do his god pleasure .A work of him making our heart soft.

The second come by mixing the unseen faith in what we do hear or see. . .called the gospel .Hebrew 4.
 
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One time sensitive as ceremonial a shadow. One of the ten laws given in Exodus and Deuteronomy .

Because it is given as a parable two different reasoning are given to guard it or keep it. No one can keep what does not belong to us. Guard is the key . The ceremony is used on a day when regular work is set aside for bringing the gospel, the true fast the good work . And the other reckoned by today non time sensitive. Any time we hear his voice working in us to both will and do his god pleasure .A work of him making our heart soft.

The second come by mixing the unseen faith in what we do hear or see. . .called the gospel .Hebrew 4.
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According to God's word what he made clear when he first spoke, he said "remember the sabbath and KEEP it holy." If God knew that man could not keep it, why would God give the sabbath, to take pleasure in having those who violate it stoned? If some got stoned, did those who did not violate the sabbath did they keep it? If yes, then it concludes that the sabbath can be kept, right?

Give me Scriptures that tell us that the sabbath is done away with.
 
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According to God's word what he made clear when he first spoke, he said "remember the sabbath and KEEP it holy." If God knew that man could not keep it, why would God give the sabbath, to take pleasure in having those who violate it stoned? If some got stoned, did those who did not violate the sabbath did they keep it? If yes, then it concludes that the sabbath can be kept, right?

Give me Scriptures that tell us that the sabbath is done away with.
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According to God's word what he made clear when he first spoke, he said "remember the sabbath and KEEP it holy." If God knew that man could not keep it, why would God give the sabbath, to take pleasure in having those who violate it stoned? If some got stoned, did those who did not violate the sabbath did they keep it? If yes, then it concludes that the sabbath can be kept, right?

Give me Scriptures that tell us that the sabbath is done away with.
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I decided to do a little writing and post it because when I read you post I was enlighten with something
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One time sensitive as ceremonial a shadow. One of the ten laws given in Exodus and Deuteronomy .

Because it is given as a parable two different reasoning are given to guard it or keep it. No one can keep what does not belong to us. Guard is the key . The ceremony is used on a day when regular work is set aside for bringing the gospel, the true fast the good work . And the other reckoned by today non time sensitive. Any time we hear his voice working in us to both will and do his god pleasure .A work of him making our heart soft.

The second come by mixing the unseen faith in what we do hear or see. . .called the gospel .Hebrew 4.
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As I was reading you post it took me back to the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath and my mind was enlighten with a truth which I wrote on today. If you like to read it here is the link... https://info349479.wixsite.com/mysite/the-ten-commandment
 
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I decided to do a little writing and post it because when I read you post I was enlighten with something

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As I was reading you post it took me back to the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath and my mind was enlighten with a truth which I wrote on today. If you like to read it here is the link... https://info349479.wixsite.com/mysite/the-ten-commandment
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Thanks for that.

I see it a little differently as to how we are to keep, as to what we are to keep or guard closely with all our heart soul and mind.

I would understand the two commandments working together as one. Which is again mentioned in the new testaments the golden rule. love the Lord our God and ones neighbor as oneself . So that in obeying God he works it out in us so that we can love our neighbor by bringing the good news .

The gospel or what is called the "true fast" is two fold in that way. We share our physical bread and other human needs along with the spiritual the word of God , or called manna. The bread of new life.

The two listing (Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5) of the same sabbath commandment that pertain with rest they have different reasonings' are ceremonial shadows . One the seventh day the other the departure from Egypt using the Jew as a parable for that time period 40 years. The time of testing or trial,. God does not give reasons for moral law (the remaining 9 commandments )

The word Sabbath is a non time sensitive word. The last day of the week was celebrated with a fast used to represent the true fast . (Isaiah 58 )The Holy Spirit would bring no manna on the first day . Twice as much was to be gathered so that the next day they could eat . It was common the manna was split into three kosher meals.

One day set aside from the normal work of maintaining these bodies of death by which a person could have the time to love his neighbor. The manna ceased when they enter the temporal Jerusalem signified as the heavenly unseen .A shadow of the true unseen city as the bride of Christ.

Entering the promised land would reflect children of light .The first day when God said let their be light. It represented the new era of Sabbaths that we are in

.But any day we do not have regular work needed is a good day to exercise the true fast. . . the gospel . The kind of fast that does with prayer drive out lying spirts called demons. Which the disciples at first could not. They knew not of that kind of food, not understanding the parable they remined faithless, confused .

The Youngs translation seems to fit the new era of Sabbaths .(fist day of the week) Changing the word rest into week . Would seem to mean people are still wandering around in the wilderness . And not representing the new Kingdom of priest that do offer the hidden manna. Men and women from all tribes all the nations of the world .

Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

But even the Youngs Literal Translation it seems mistranslate by replacing the word sabbath a non time senititive word with the word week .

When the bible was inspired the Greek had no word for week

Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all things -- as many as I possess.

It should read I fast twice in the Sabbath , I give tithes of all things -- as many as I possess.

Three meals were allowed. This leaves his bragging rights empty, void of any spiritual understanding. .
 
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According to God's word what he made clear when he first spoke, he said "remember the sabbath and KEEP it holy." If God knew that man could not keep it, why would God give the sabbath, to take pleasure in having those who violate it stoned? If some got stoned, did those who did not violate the sabbath did they keep it? If yes, then it concludes that the sabbath can be kept, right?

Give me Scriptures that tell us that the sabbath is done away with.
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Hebrews 7:12-19
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.


Rest is not done away. What is done away is the understanding that there are carnal rules associated with how and what particular day this rest is accomplished. "There is made of necessity a change of the law"

This change is that Rest is given by Christ and that means we no longer work at our understanding of the law. Righteousness is given to us as a gift. Salvation is given to us as a gift. Wisdom is give to us as a gift.


Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
 
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