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[SUNDOWNSAM]

You have no idea what my emotional state is; you're only projecting your own. I will reply when and to whom I choose. I see no need to post Scripture to support a point for which Scripture is a secondary issue, and only generally at that. All you have explained is the difference in the way you understand "translation" and "interpretation". You're entitled to your opinion, devoid as it may be of any practical experience.

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Read again, I made it clear that we were not talking the Scriptures, but interpretation and translation. To my recollection, you wrote as if you will avoid conversing with me, didn't you? Don't reply.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Prophecy is the revealed mind of God . How could you stay away from if it reveals the way the truth the life? How would you believe without it?

God who is eternal Spirit cannot literally die. His death was a sleep. Like that of the example of Lazarus . When Jesus said Lazarus was dead and then had to explain the hidden spiritual understanding. .The father did not allow his body to see corruption as he poured out His Spirit life on it.

Jesus as the Son of God is the lamb slain from the foundation that six days he did work .And finished it by resting. The rest we do have as salvation.

He is the first born from the dead shown by the ceremonial law of circummsion .As a shadow it represented the suffering of Christ our bloody husband beforehand hand and the glory that did follow. All of the old testament saints that were looking ahead their graves were opened. The resurrection or rapture..

The Lord threatened to kill Moses for not honoring the ceremonial law to represent the suffering of Christ as our bloody husband beforehand . The gospel is preached through the ceremony as shadow of Christ our husband .

And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn. And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.Exodus 4: 22-26

They simply looked ahead bt the same spirit of Christ faith working in them by which we look back receiving the end from the beginning. Same bloody husband that Moses was almost killed for if not the for act of his gentile wife moved the Holy Spirit .


Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified "beforehand" the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1:9-11

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I will reply to you tomorrow, but I did not say I will stay away from prophecy read again. I read it but do not discuss it, until it is fulfill that is all I said. Talk tomorrow.

 

[Grandpa]

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If am understood what you are saying, I will respond with the following... When God gave the Sabbath day he said, remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. In Exodus 31, he tells Moses to speak to the children of Israel that the Sabbath they shall keep, for it is a sign between him and Israel, to keep it, to observe it throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant, it is a sign between him and the children of Israel forever, that they may know that the LORD doeth sanctify them and whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. The question that has to be answered, should the Gentile believers keep the Sabbath? If you move from a state that believes in the Second Amendment to a state that does not allow firearms, you will need to abide by the new state laws. With this being said, when a Gentile believes in Yeshua he becomes part of the commonwealth of Israel, therefore, he should abide by the Law of the LORD. To not write a book, I recommend reading Isaiah 56.

I will also add that those who were not stoned was because they kept the Sabbath day, showing that the sabbath day can be kept
To my recollection, the Scriptures tell us that King Solomon rested in the LORD, and he still kept the law, therefore, Resting in Yeshua does not mean that the law of God should be avoided. We rest in the LORD every day, but God gave a specific day to keep holy.
Matthew 11:28, has nothing to do with the Sabbath day, but that he will give rest to the soul. If we are perfecting in Yeshua which we are that means we will be able to keep the Sabbath.

Sorry, I didn't elaborate more and did not answer most of the questions, I only had 5 hours sleep yesterday, so I am extremely tire. Hopefully tomorrow I will respond to the rest of what you posted.

Hebrews 8:6-7
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


The first covenant was broken. It is over. Its a broken covenant.


Galatians 3:9-14
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


There is no further point in working at a law that is under a broken covenant.

The New Covenant is much better.


The Real Question should be should any believer in Christ place themselves voluntarily under the old covenant?

And, which parts should the believer choose to be under and which should they not? Just their favorites or all of Moses Law?

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

[Dino246]

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Read again, I made it clear that we were not talking the Scriptures, but interpretation and translation. To my recollection, you wrote as if you will avoid conversing with me, didn't you? Don't reply.

It must bother you that you can't control other people. Jesus can set you free from that.

 

[garee]

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I will reply to you tomorrow, but I did not say I will stay away from prophecy read again. I read it but do not discuss it, until it is fulfill that is all I said. Talk tomorrow.

It would seem you restrict prophecy to the future. Prophecy is simply the word of God or tongue . The things that were the things that are and the things to come.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

It would seem you restrict prophecy to the future. Prophecy is simply the word of God or tongue . The things that were the things that are and the things to come.

It would seem you restrict prophecy to the future. Prophecy is simply the word of God or tongue . The things that were the things that are and the things to come.

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I understand what you are saying, but in the context that I wrote you should know that I am talking about prophecies like the Armageddon; I read on it, know about it and will warn others about that day, but will not get into a discussion as to what country is the Scriptures talking about, when the Scriptures are not clear. Everyone says it is Russia, but that is an assumption, if you look at the map to see who is on the north of Israel, it appears that Russia is not really on the North. I do not get into the guessing game, so why discuss who it is.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

It must bother you that you can't control other people. Jesus can set you free from that.

With your preposterous remark, now I know that you have to be a young mind, it is people like you that gets bothered when they are pointed out.

 

[garee]

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I understand what you are saying, but in the context that I wrote you should know that I am talking about prophecies like the Armageddon; I read on it, know about it and will warn others about that day, but will not get into a discussion as to what country is the Scriptures talking about, when the Scriptures are not clear. Everyone says it is Russia, but that is an assumption, if you look at the map to see who is on the north of Israel, it appears that Russia is not really on the North. I do not get into the guessing game, so why discuss who it is.

I would agree in one sense .The prophecy is not in respect to the political kingdoms of this world.

 

[Wall]

Or, the Law of God is NOT the 10 commandments. And you confuse the two.

Moses Law is the 10 commandments.

Gods Law is the CAUSE of obedience. Commandments can never be the cause of obedience. Commandments are not the cause of conversion of the soul.

People who worship the Law instead of the Lawgiver cannot understand.

Romans 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

This was explained, and prophesied, in Ezekiel;

Ezekiel 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

So your saying the prophecy found in Ezek36 has already come to pass.

Ezekiel 36:24-28 (KJV)
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Clearly not so. Gods people have not yet been gathered and we are not living in Jerusalem {the land God gave to the fathers}

 

[garee]

So your saying the prophecy found in Ezek36 has already come to pass.

Ezekiel 36:24-28 (KJV)
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Clearly not so. Gods people have not yet been gathered and we are not living in Jerusalem {the land God gave to the fathers}

As new creatures our citizenship in not reckoned after the things the eyes see. . the temporal . We walk by faith the eternal not seen.

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Its the eternal land Zion not of here the bride of Christ the new Jerusalem .Not the shadow the earthly .
Esau a first born, used to recognize the new creature did not buy the gospel truth hid seeing no value in the things not seen the eternal. He followed the example of Cain. We are to buy the gospel truth and not sell it


Hebrews 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Sometimes you see in your notifications that a person has posted in a thread and you don't even check it because you know already what they have said. Some people are so static and unwilling to learn and grow.
It kind of makes me sad.

 

[Grandpa]

So your saying the prophecy found in Ezek36 has already come to pass.

Ezekiel 36:24-28 (KJV)
24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

Clearly not so. Gods people have not yet been gathered and we are not living in Jerusalem {the land God gave to the fathers}

Galatians 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Well, you are confused on who Gods People are first of all. As you have been with most of the prophecy you have handled.

Galatians 4:26-28
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.


Perhaps the land that God is talking about isn't where or what you think it is. Perhaps it is the Kingdom that God gathers His People into.

Or we can continue to think that every Christian that has existed and will exist is going to inherit land in the middle east... Along with all the Israelites that were true Children of God.


What I can tell you for absolute certainty is that I have been cleansed from all my filthiness and all my idols. I have been given a New Heart. The heart of stone was taken away and a Heart of Flesh was given. Gods put His Spirit inside me and CAUSES me to walk in His Statutes and His Way.

If all that has happened why would I then NOT believe the parts about the land? Because I don't see it with my flesh eyes?

I didn't see any of the other things with my flesh eyes either but I still believe them.


Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

 

[stillness]

why is the sabbath not been kept by all Christians? I need guidance please

In our country we are off work Friday evening, to Monday morning. We can rest the whole time. But now that we are not saved by works we can also enter into rest permanently. I will retire in the coming year, but I already work from a place of rest and avoid dictators, as they tend to make us run in the opposite direction aniway, even tho dictatorship is better than kaos. We are to learn of Jesus in Humility, taimed as friends of God, that we may have rest from our labour. What country do you live in where people have no rest.

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Galatians 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Well, you are confused on who Gods People are first of all. As you have been with most of the prophecy you have handled.

Galatians 4:26-28
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.


Perhaps the land that God is talking about isn't where or what you think it is. Perhaps it is the Kingdom that God gathers His People into.

Or we can continue to think that every Christian that has existed and will exist is going to inherit land in the middle east... Along with all the Israelites that were true Children of God.


What I can tell you for absolute certainty is that I have been cleansed from all my filthiness and all my idols. I have been given a New Heart. The heart of stone was taken away and a Heart of Flesh was given. Gods put His Spirit inside me and CAUSES me to walk in His Statutes and His Way.

If all that has happened why would I then NOT believe the parts about the land? Because I don't see it with my flesh eyes?

I didn't see any of the other things with my flesh eyes either but I still believe them.


Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

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Just curious and please tell me in a short paragraph, no verses for now just need to know where you truly stand...

1) Are the Jews God's people or only those who believe in Yeshua, who are forgiven and cleanse?
2) Did God do away with the Jews?
3) Do you believe in replacement theology?

I this you can respond in a short praragraph.

 

[Wall]

Perhaps the land that God is talking about isn't where or what you think it is. Perhaps it is the Kingdom that God gathers His People into.

Or we can continue to think that every Christian that has existed and will exist is going to inherit land in the middle east... Along with all the Israelites that were true Children of God.

Yes Grandpa. It is the kingdom to where we will be gathered {not raptured to heaven}. The kingdom will be on this earth. And every TRUE Christian and all the Israelites will inherit that land.

 

[Wall]

What I can tell you for absolute certainty is that I have been cleansed from all my filthiness and all my idols.

Your idols? Are ya sure?

LEVITICUS 19 [3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the Lord your God. [4] TURN YE NOT UNTO IDOLS, NOR MAKE TO YOURSELVES MOLTEN GODS: I am the Lord your God.

LEVITICUS 26 [1]Ye shall MAKE YOU NO IDOLS NOR GRAVEN IMAGE, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. [2] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

EZEKIEL 20 [16]Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, BUT POLLUTED MY SABBATHS: FOR THEIR HEART WENT AFTER THEIR IDOLS.

 

[Grandpa]

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Just curious and please tell me in a short paragraph, no verses for now just need to know where you truly stand...

1) Are the Jews God's people or only those who believe in Yeshua, who are forgiven and cleanse?
2) Did God do away with the Jews?
3) Do you believe in replacement theology?

I this you can respond in a short praragraph.

1) "The Jews" are not Gods people but Gods People are from every people group. Including the Jewish people group. God doesn't discriminate based on race.

2) God didn't do away with the Jews only the way they practiced their religion.

3) The New Covenant has replaced the Old Covenant. Christianity has replaced Judaism as the Way to God and His Kingdom.

Christianity is heresy to Judaism as Judaism is heresy to Christianity. The two are diametrically opposed for those who truly understand.

 

[Grandpa]

Your idols? Are ya sure?

LEVITICUS 19 [3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the Lord your God. [4] TURN YE NOT UNTO IDOLS, NOR MAKE TO YOURSELVES MOLTEN GODS: I am the Lord your God.

LEVITICUS 26 [1]Ye shall MAKE YOU NO IDOLS NOR GRAVEN IMAGE, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. [2] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.

EZEKIEL 20 [16]Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, BUT POLLUTED MY SABBATHS: FOR THEIR HEART WENT AFTER THEIR IDOLS.

Yes, I'm sure.

Hebrews 4:9-10
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


Its not possible to Abide in Christ and His Rest and then the heart go after its own idols as well. The heart belongs to the One who has cleansed it and given it new life.


1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

 

[oldethennew]

let's see; God said= the first day-the second day-etc., He never 'named each and every 'day'
His CHOICE for us, the called, elect, chosen to observe, and that would of course be, what He named
the 'Sabbath DAY', HIS CHOICE, HIS NAMing' -
ya'll go ahead and create or follow 'mankind's ways' - in our house, we choose to follow in His foot-steps'...

 

[SUNDOWNSAM]

Yes Grandpa. It is the kingdom to where we will be gathered {not raptured to heaven}. The kingdom will be on this earth. And every TRUE Christian and all the Israelites will inherit that land.

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