Salvation and Sanctification.

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Sanctifying peace allows the Holy Spirit to deliver the Believer into the death of Christ so Christ life is manifested through the Believer (2 Cor. 4:11, Gal. 2:20-21, Romans 8:2,13, John 14:21). I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me (Who Jesus Is), and gave himself for me (What Jesus Has Done on the Cross for us where the victory was won). Gal. 2:20

If The Believer doesn't enter into the LORD's rest, they die in the wilderness...only a few enter into His rest!

JSM
Many Christians are committing or attempting suicide, why? Because they have not entered into the rest of God (Hebrews 4). Psalm 138:8 says, "The Lord will [a]perfect that which concerns me;" (What a promise!)

The Believer can only enter into God's rest by placing their Faith and maintaining it exclusively in Christ and the Cross. This law can not be violated (Romans 8:2) or you enter into the law of sin and death. There is no other way you can live for God!!!!!!!
 
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Many Christians are committing or attempting suicide, why? Because they have not entered into the rest of God (Hebrews 4). Psalm 138:8 says, "The Lord will [a]perfect that which concerns me;" (What a promise!)

The Believer can only enter into God's rest by placing their Faith and maintaining it exclusively in Christ and the Cross. This law can not be violated (Romans 8:2) or you enter into the law of sin and death. There is no other way you can live for God!!!!!!!
When you say maintaining your faith are you talking about life after salvation/progressive sanctification JESUS Is the vine and we are the branches receiving sustenance from the vine,so then how do WE maintain our faith?
 
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When you say maintaining your faith are you talking about life after salvation/progressive sanctification JESUS Is the vine and we are the branches receiving sustenance from the vine,so then how do WE maintain our faith?
After we are born again we enter into progressive sanctification.

Psalm 37

Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shall you dwell in the land, and verily you shall be fed (in other words, don’t look to the wicked or at the wicked, but rather “the Lord,” and in Him put your “trust”).

Delight yourself also in the LORD: and He shall give you the desires of your heart (what a Promise!).

Commit your way unto the LORD; trust also in Him; and He shall bring it to pass.

And He shall bring forth your righteousness as the light, and your judgment as the noonday (these things will ultimately be rewarded).

Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for Him: fret not yourself because of him who prospers in his way, because of the man who brings wicked devices to pass (in Verses 3-7 we have the four keys to a victorious life: “Trust,” “Delight,” “Commit,” and “Rest”).

This can only be done if the Believer place and maintain there Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work at Calvary, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus (Romans 8:2). This allows the Holy Spirit who works strictly in the parameters of Christ and the Finished Work to accomplish this for us (Romans 8:2). Believe only!
 

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The same GOD that spoke In the old testament Is the same GOD that speaks In the new testament and since the WORD of GOD does not change,does a person have to try and keep the ten commandments before they can be saved or do they only have to believe In the WORD of GOD to receive salvation and what In your opinion Is sanctification?
It's true, God doesn't change. However, throughout scriptural "Dispensation's". God deals with mankind differently: Noah, Abraham, (pre-law) Moses & Israel (under the law) & the Body of Christ (post Christ's sin redemptive atonement - Under GRACE)

Dispensation Vine's Dictionary of New Testament Words:
"dispensation" is not a period or epoch (a common, but erroneous, use of the word), but a mode of dealing, an arrangement, or administration of affairs

The stewardship/administration/stewardship committed to Paul, "to fulfill the Word of God. To unfold the completion of the Divinely arranged TIME CYCLES OF TRUTH.

SEE: Eph 1: 9-10 - Eph 3:2-6, Col 1:25-27 & Cor 9-17

Sanctification:

KJV Dictionary SANCTIFICA'TION definition: The act of making holy, the act of consecrating or of setting apart for a sacred purpose; consecration.

So, to sanctify, something is to set it apart for special use. The moment we believe/trust place our faith in Christ's Sin atoning death, burial & resurrection. God saves (judicially justifies), seal's (with His Holy spirit) & sanctifies (sets us apart, for a work/mission Eph 2:10)

At the moment we truly make the decision to trust Christ we are justified/saved (DONE DEAL). Our salvation is forever secure. We are also sanctified at the same time.

Sanctification is a process, that continues, """which we must work through""" (Phil 2:12) until our final redemption. When we meet the Lord & receive a new incorruptible/heavenly body.

Final point:

The unsaved will at the White Throne Judgment Rev 20 (No Believers here) pay for every sin they committed under the law's rules.

The saved will stand at the judgment seat (Greek-bema) of Christ (Rom 14:10-12, 1 Cor 3:10-4:5 & 2 Corinthians 5:1-10.) No sin is discussed here. Christ's sin redemptive payment paid/washed ALL the believers sins away.

The work done during the SANCTIFICA'TION process is discussed here. And rewards are given (even a drink of water Matt 10:42 Mk 9:41 given in Christ's name receives a reward. Also see 1 Cor 3:12-23
 

Dino246

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Many Christians are committing or attempting suicide, why? Because they have not entered into the rest of God (Hebrews 4). Psalm 138:8 says, "The Lord will [a]perfect that which concerns me;" (What a promise!)

The Believer can only enter into God's rest by placing their Faith and maintaining it exclusively in Christ and the Cross. This law can not be violated (Romans 8:2) or you enter into the law of sin and death. There is no other way you can live for God!!!!!!!
Have you ever talked about this with someone who has attempted suicide, or with someone who works in the mental health field? While your comments are probably true for some people, they are rather simplistic and naive as a general principle. The causes of suicide attempts are sufficiently complex as to resist pigeonholing.
 
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Have you ever talked about this with someone who has attempted suicide, or with someone who works in the mental health field? While your comments are probably true for some people, they are rather simplistic and naive as a general principle. The causes of suicide attempts are sufficiently complex as to resist pigeonholing.
Jesus Christ and Him Crucified alone is the only answer for mankind...not human reasoning (enemies of the Cross).
 

Dino246

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Jesus Christ and Him Crucified alone is the only answer for mankind
Ultimately, yes. However, that isn't the only thing you say to a person who is contemplating suicide, or who has already attempted it. You will probably need to put it into the person's context, which requires learning what that context is. Dictating to them what their problem is, as your earlier post implied, will more likely inhibit the meaningful connection needed in such a situation.

...not human reasoning (enemies of the Cross).
Is that supposed to be a coherent thought?

Also, you haven't answered my question. Are your thoughts on this matter based on personal interaction with suicidal people or those who work with them, or is it theoretical?
 
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It's true, God doesn't change. However, throughout scriptural "Dispensation's". God deals with mankind differently: Noah, Abraham, (pre-law) Moses & Israel (under the law) & the Body of Christ (post Christ's sin redemptive atonement - Under GRACE)

Dispensation Vine's Dictionary of New Testament Words:
"dispensation" is not a period or epoch (a common, but erroneous, use of the word), but a mode of dealing, an arrangement, or administration of affairs

The stewardship/administration/stewardship committed to Paul, "to fulfill the Word of God. To unfold the completion of the Divinely arranged TIME CYCLES OF TRUTH.

SEE: Eph 1: 9-10 - Eph 3:2-6, Col 1:25-27 & Cor 9-17

Sanctification:

KJV Dictionary SANCTIFICA'TION definition: The act of making holy, the act of consecrating or of setting apart for a sacred purpose; consecration.

So, to sanctify, something is to set it apart for special use. The moment we believe/trust place our faith in Christ's Sin atoning death, burial & resurrection. God saves (judicially justifies), seal's (with His Holy spirit) & sanctifies (sets us apart, for a work/mission Eph 2:10)

At the moment we truly make the decision to trust Christ we are justified/saved (DONE DEAL). Our salvation is forever secure. We are also sanctified at the same time.

Sanctification is a process, that continues, """which we must work through""" (Phil 2:12) until our final redemption. When we meet the Lord & receive a new incorruptible/heavenly body.

Final point:

The unsaved will at the White Throne Judgment Rev 20 (No Believers here) pay for every sin they committed under the law's rules.

The saved will stand at the judgment seat (Greek-bema) of Christ (Rom 14:10-12, 1 Cor 3:10-4:5 & 2 Corinthians 5:1-10.) No sin is discussed here. Christ's sin redemptive payment paid/washed ALL the believers sins away.

The work done during the SANCTIFICA'TION process is discussed here. And rewards are given (even a drink of water Matt 10:42 Mk 9:41 given in Christ's name receives a reward. Also see 1 Cor 3:12-23
Good presentation.☺️
 
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It's true, God doesn't change. However, throughout scriptural "Dispensation's". God deals with mankind differently: Noah, Abraham, (pre-law) Moses & Israel (under the law) & the Body of Christ (post Christ's sin redemptive atonement - Under GRACE)

Dispensation Vine's Dictionary of New Testament Words:
"dispensation" is not a period or epoch (a common, but erroneous, use of the word), but a mode of dealing, an arrangement, or administration of affairs

The stewardship/administration/stewardship committed to Paul, "to fulfill the Word of God. To unfold the completion of the Divinely arranged TIME CYCLES OF TRUTH.

SEE: Eph 1: 9-10 - Eph 3:2-6, Col 1:25-27 & Cor 9-17

Sanctification:

KJV Dictionary SANCTIFICA'TION definition: The act of making holy, the act of consecrating or of setting apart for a sacred purpose; consecration.

So, to sanctify, something is to set it apart for special use. The moment we believe/trust place our faith in Christ's Sin atoning death, burial & resurrection. God saves (judicially justifies), seal's (with His Holy spirit) & sanctifies (sets us apart, for a work/mission Eph 2:10)

At the moment we truly make the decision to trust Christ we are justified/saved (DONE DEAL). Our salvation is forever secure. We are also sanctified at the same time.

Sanctification is a process, that continues, """which we must work through""" (Phil 2:12) until our final redemption. When we meet the Lord & receive a new incorruptible/heavenly body.

Final point:

The unsaved will at the White Throne Judgment Rev 20 (No Believers here) pay for every sin they committed under the law's rules.

The saved will stand at the judgment seat (Greek-bema) of Christ (Rom 14:10-12, 1 Cor 3:10-4:5 & 2 Corinthians 5:1-10.) No sin is discussed here. Christ's sin redemptive payment paid/washed ALL the believers sins away.

The work done during the SANCTIFICA'TION process is discussed here. And rewards are given (even a drink of water Matt 10:42 Mk 9:41 given in Christ's name receives a reward. Also see 1 Cor 3:12-23
What would you say about those of us under Grace,which commandments that JESUS gave should we keep?
 

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What would you say about those of us under Grace, which commandments that JESUS gave should we keep?
A couple of questions come to mind, and I'd like to start with this one first: If the NT commandments must be kept, to what end do you believe that we must keep them? IOW, what is the purpose/what are the purposes in having us do so?

Thanks!

~Deut
 
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A couple of questions come to mind, and I'd like to start with this one first: If the NT commandments must be kept, to what end do you believe that we must keep them? IOW, what is the purpose/what are the purposes in having us do so?

Thanks!

~Deut
They must be kept In this sense,a person has to be reborn and then GOD equips them to keep them.
Every one that has this hope In them seeks to purify themselves even as they are pure for we are HIS workmanship created In CHRIST,JESUS!unto good works.
 

FlyingDove

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What would you say about those of us under Grace,which commandments that JESUS gave should we keep?
Galatians 4:4 when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
(NOTE: God's Son made of a woman, sent & made under the law)

Matt 10:5 Messiah sent forth the 12 & commanded them. To not go the Gentiles or into any city of the Samaritans
(NOTE: Don't go to Samaritans or GENTILES!)

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(NOTE: Messiah is sent, & sends his disciples to, the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"")

Matt 15:24 Messiah answered & said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(NOTE: Messiah say's; He has been sent, ONLY, to the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"")

Rom 15:8 I say that Messiah was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(NOTE: Messiah sent as a minister of the circumcision (Jews only) to fulfil promises made to the circumcision's fathers, NOT GENTILES)

Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean
(NOTE: Peter tells the gentile centurion Cornelius, "IT'S UNLAWFUL" for a Jew to keep company with gentiles)

Ok, Jews were given the Priestly Levitical sacrificial system to cover their sins.

After Jesus redemptive, sacrificial sin atoning payment. Whereby Christ becomes a God appointed; Great High Priest after the Order of Melchizedek Heb 4:4 & 5:10, Ps 110:4 & 7:12.

Changing the priesthood also changed the way God deals with man's sin via the law & now by Grace.

In short I'll restate the end of my earlier post.

The unsaved (non-Christ believers) will at the White Throne Judgment Rev 20 pay for every sin they committed under the law's rules. (No Believers in Christ's redemptive sin payment are here)

The saved (Believers in Christ's redemptive sin payment) will stand at the judgment seat (Greek-bema) of Christ (Rom 14:10-12, 1 Cor 3:10-4:5 & 2 Corinthians 5:1-10.) No sin is discussed here. Christ's sin redemptive payment paid/washed ALL the believers sins away.