Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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nope. He never had it.
He was given the coin (symbolic of the gospel) But he was scared, and instead of allowing that coin (gospel) to have power and build on it. He did nothing with it.
One who does nothing with the gospel other than be scared of it, is not going to be saved, in this age or the next.
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How can it be righteous works?
What work can I do to save myself? I am in a sea of death, Drowning. I have no hope. God is offering to save me. If I trust him to save me/ What work can I possibly to to help him? I am dead and can go no further. No amount of work I could do would help God save me, He must do it all himself.
Don;t you think he has the power to do so?
What work can I do to save myself? I am in a sea of death, Drowning. I have no hope. God is offering to save me. If I trust him to save me/ What work can I possibly to to help him? I am dead and can go no further. No amount of work I could do would help God save me, He must do it all himself.
Don;t you think he has the power to do so?
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Nope.
He was scared of it. He did not trust it. And what it could give him.
Thats why he did no work. Not because he had to do work to be saved, biut because it did not have faith in what it represented.
Again. A person with true faith WILL do work. It is a natural byproduct. It is not a question of if they must do it. That would be a false assumption
He was scared of it. He did not trust it. And what it could give him.
Thats why he did no work. Not because he had to do work to be saved, biut because it did not have faith in what it represented.
Again. A person with true faith WILL do work. It is a natural byproduct. It is not a question of if they must do it. That would be a false assumption
This sounds exactly like those who heard Peter preach the gospel the first time :
Acts 2:37 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
to which Peter told them the works they must do :
Acts 2:38 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
God will not do this for you, he by his grace offered it to you, it is up to you to do the righteous works of accepting his grace.
Acts 2:37 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
to which Peter told them the works they must do :
Acts 2:38 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
God will not do this for you, he by his grace offered it to you, it is up to you to do the righteous works of accepting his grace.
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1. Peter did nto say repent AND be baptized. that is an error in translation. He told those who were already saved to be baptized, which is correct. We should work after we are saved. If we do not. Was our faith real?? Repent is not a work. It is a change of heart.
2. Jesus does not agree with your interpretation of this passage either (which proves it is a mistranslated passage)
John 6: 28-29 - Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
notice whose work it is?? He was telling them to repent. Which must happen for one to believe, and this is the work of God. Not our work.
I bet they even sing Amazing Grace.....ummmm cough cough I mean
AMAZING WORKS
Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that with works saved a good working wretch like me..
I Once was lost but now am found because of my blind works I now (don't) see
Twas works that taught my heart to brag, And works my fears relieved...
How precious did my works appear, the hour I first worked to read instead of believe...
When I haven't been there 10000 years and I ain't bright shining as the sun...
I will have no days to sing God's praise, because I trusted in works when I first begun!
A new version for works for salvation believers....
AMAZING WORKS
Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that with works saved a good working wretch like me..
I Once was lost but now am found because of my blind works I now (don't) see
Twas works that taught my heart to brag, And works my fears relieved...
How precious did my works appear, the hour I first worked to read instead of believe...
When I haven't been there 10000 years and I ain't bright shining as the sun...
I will have no days to sing God's praise, because I trusted in works when I first begun!
A new version for works for salvation believers....
Sorry, but "μετανοησατε" means "repent"... its not miss translated... and as far as John 6:28-29,
John 6:29 (NKJV)
Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."
So, what do you think "believe in Him" means? :
John 14:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
He said keep all his commandments and he will love you,
John 14:23-24 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
If you don't keep His commands (all of them) then He will not love you, do you believe Him?
John 6:29 (NKJV)
Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."
So, what do you think "believe in Him" means? :
John 14:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
He said keep all his commandments and he will love you,
John 14:23-24 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
If you don't keep His commands (all of them) then He will not love you, do you believe Him?
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Sorry, I never said that was the mistake. It is obvious you did not read what I said. would you like to try again??
It means what he says it means. It is THE WORK OF GOD.
Yep and who does this?
people who are born of him through faith, and these things are a byproduct of his faith?
or people who do not trust him.
No, He said he loves those who keep his commands, Who are they? Again answer my last question
lol.. Now your going to law. And your asking an impossible thing.
don't you know the law judges you because yuo can not keep ALL his commands?
Galatians 3:10 [ The Law Brings a Curse ] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
It means what he says it means. It is THE WORK OF GOD.
Yep and who does this?
people who are born of him through faith, and these things are a byproduct of his faith?
or people who do not trust him.
No, He said he loves those who keep his commands, Who are they? Again answer my last question
lol.. Now your going to law. And your asking an impossible thing.
don't you know the law judges you because yuo can not keep ALL his commands?
Galatians 3:10 [ The Law Brings a Curse ] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has
reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above
reproach in His sight. (Col 1:21-22 NKJV)
This isn't a one time deal, upon acceptance you are clean and then you dirty yourself down as you live life. No, you are forever in his sight, holy, blameless, and above reproach. You are the righteousness of God, in Christ. You'll notice before works separated you from God, even our righteous works were considered as filthy rags. In Christ, works(or the lack there of) don't affect the status of you being holy, blameless, and above reproach in His sight. Matter of fact, God loves you as much as He loves Jesus. You want to know what God said to Jesus, before Jesus even started his ministry and miracle working?
Matthew 3:17
English Standard Version (ESV)
17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son,[a] with whom I am well pleased.”
Your ministry is important, and your good works are important(for a number of reasons) but none of these things define Gods love for you. His love is not dependent upon your obedience. Do you think He took pleasure in punishing the Jewish people when they disobeyed? Of course not, but He had to uphold his part of the covenant! He is faithful! However, you must realize that we are under a new covenant. One of which does not depend upon on our obedience, but Christs. Our obedience is important in the process of living out our life, and for His glory, but our obedience isn't what saved us or will maintain our salvation. Its in Christ, its in His blood, and in His finished work.
God relates to us, no longer upon what we do, but what His Son has done on our behalf. He doesn't hold our sins against us, for He remembers them no more. Why? Because of Jesus' blood, and it continually cleansing us. We are redeemed! We have been reconciled! God isn't out to punish you, your sin will do a good enough job of that on its own. His desire is to correct you, for your own benefit. What loving father ignores his son's conduct if it will lead to his ruin or to unnecessary pain? It isn't like "You're sinning, you are against my will. *Whips*" No, we grieve him as he is our Heavenly Father, caring for our well-being and happiness.
Do not think that the amount of good works you do will somehow win over God. He already loved you when you were a sinner, and in Christ, you are reconciled to him. Do you know what the Word says of those reconciled?
[h=3]Romans 5:10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above
reproach in His sight. (Col 1:21-22 NKJV)
This isn't a one time deal, upon acceptance you are clean and then you dirty yourself down as you live life. No, you are forever in his sight, holy, blameless, and above reproach. You are the righteousness of God, in Christ. You'll notice before works separated you from God, even our righteous works were considered as filthy rags. In Christ, works(or the lack there of) don't affect the status of you being holy, blameless, and above reproach in His sight. Matter of fact, God loves you as much as He loves Jesus. You want to know what God said to Jesus, before Jesus even started his ministry and miracle working?
Matthew 3:17
English Standard Version (ESV)
17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son,[a] with whom I am well pleased.”
Your ministry is important, and your good works are important(for a number of reasons) but none of these things define Gods love for you. His love is not dependent upon your obedience. Do you think He took pleasure in punishing the Jewish people when they disobeyed? Of course not, but He had to uphold his part of the covenant! He is faithful! However, you must realize that we are under a new covenant. One of which does not depend upon on our obedience, but Christs. Our obedience is important in the process of living out our life, and for His glory, but our obedience isn't what saved us or will maintain our salvation. Its in Christ, its in His blood, and in His finished work.
God relates to us, no longer upon what we do, but what His Son has done on our behalf. He doesn't hold our sins against us, for He remembers them no more. Why? Because of Jesus' blood, and it continually cleansing us. We are redeemed! We have been reconciled! God isn't out to punish you, your sin will do a good enough job of that on its own. His desire is to correct you, for your own benefit. What loving father ignores his son's conduct if it will lead to his ruin or to unnecessary pain? It isn't like "You're sinning, you are against my will. *Whips*" No, we grieve him as he is our Heavenly Father, caring for our well-being and happiness.
Do not think that the amount of good works you do will somehow win over God. He already loved you when you were a sinner, and in Christ, you are reconciled to him. Do you know what the Word says of those reconciled?
[h=3]Romans 5:10[/h]King James Version (KJV)
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
John 6:27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28 .) Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 .) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30 .) They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 .) Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 .) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 .) For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 .) Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 .) And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 .) But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 .) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 .) For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 .) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 .) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Great passage of Scripture, sadly though, some will see this as saying "believing/faith" is a WORK........sigh.........when Jesus clearly says different...............He "gives" it to us................GIVES it to us..............we are GIVEN eternal life........
We can't EARN it.
32 .) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 .) For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 .) Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 .) And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 .) But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 .) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 .) For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 .) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 .) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Great passage of Scripture, sadly though, some will see this as saying "believing/faith" is a WORK........sigh.........when Jesus clearly says different...............He "gives" it to us................GIVES it to us..............we are GIVEN eternal life........
We can't EARN it.
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John 6:27) Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28 .) Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 .) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30 .) They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 .) Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 .) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 .) For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 .) Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 .) And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 .) But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 .) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 .) For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 .) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 .) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Great passage of Scripture, sadly though, some will see this as saying "believing/faith" is a WORK........sigh.........when Jesus clearly says different...............He "gives" it to us................GIVES it to us..............we are GIVEN eternal life........ We can't EARN it.
32 .) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 .) For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 .) Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 .) And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 .) But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 .) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 .) For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 .) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 .) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Great passage of Scripture, sadly though, some will see this as saying "believing/faith" is a WORK........sigh.........when Jesus clearly says different...............He "gives" it to us................GIVES it to us..............we are GIVEN eternal life........
We can't EARN it.
John 15:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
do you think He will GIVE you anything if you're not His friend?