Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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M
That isn't what I'm saying. Did you stop reading right after I quoted 1 John 3:5-9? lol
I like what you quoted of 1 John 2:1. You'll notice that when we sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous who will point to what He has done on our behalf. We are the righteousness of God, in Christ. He is our eternal High Priest in the order of Melchiedek, completely able to save us, as he lives to always intercede for us.
I like what you quoted of 1 John 2:1. You'll notice that when we sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous who will point to what He has done on our behalf. We are the righteousness of God, in Christ. He is our eternal High Priest in the order of Melchiedek, completely able to save us, as he lives to always intercede for us.
That isn't what I'm saying. Did you stop reading right after I quoted 1 John 3:5-9? lol
I like what you quoted of 1 John 2:1. You'll notice that when we sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous who will point to what He has done on our behalf. We are the righteousness of God, in Christ. He is our eternal High Priest in the order of Melchizedek, completely able to save us, as he lives to always intercede for us.
I like what you quoted of 1 John 2:1. You'll notice that when we sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous who will point to what He has done on our behalf. We are the righteousness of God, in Christ. He is our eternal High Priest in the order of Melchizedek, completely able to save us, as he lives to always intercede for us.
I took Jesus at his word and...
1. Repented of my sins
2. Acknowledged him by faith into HIS PERFECT ETERNAL FAITH
3. Testified to my inward conversion by the first act of obedience (biblical water immersion)
Anything beyond that adds to God's plan and makes it null and void...Gospel of a different kind-->double cursed by Paul--->no ability to save!
Ecclesiastes 3:14..WHATSOEVER GOD DOES IS ETERNAL--->nothing added, nothing taken away PERIOD!
I will add that John 3:16 and the aorist tense verb tells me all I need to know about the eternal aspect of salvation..
was saved, am saved and continuing to be saved into the future
Present continuing results from a PAST COMPLETED ACTION!
1. Repented of my sins
2. Acknowledged him by faith into HIS PERFECT ETERNAL FAITH
3. Testified to my inward conversion by the first act of obedience (biblical water immersion)
Anything beyond that adds to God's plan and makes it null and void...Gospel of a different kind-->double cursed by Paul--->no ability to save!
Ecclesiastes 3:14..WHATSOEVER GOD DOES IS ETERNAL--->nothing added, nothing taken away PERIOD!
I will add that John 3:16 and the aorist tense verb tells me all I need to know about the eternal aspect of salvation..
was saved, am saved and continuing to be saved into the future
Present continuing results from a PAST COMPLETED ACTION!
M
Everything you said until "double cursed by Paul without providing scripture means nothing."
You are in the OT:
I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. Eccl 3:14 (KJV)
I know that whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever—לעולם [FONT="Gentium" !important][I][SIZE=4]leolam[/SIZE][/I][/FONT], for eternity; in reference to that grand consummation of men and things intimated in [URL="http://www.crossbooks.com/verse.asp?ref=Ecc+3%3A11"]verse 11[/URL]. God has produced no being that he intends ultimately to destroy. He made every thing in reference to eternity; and, however matter may be changed and refined, animal and intellectual beings shall not be deprived of their existence. The brute creation shall be restored, and all human spirits shall live for ever; the pure in a state of supreme and endless blessedness, the impure in a state of indestructible misery.
Nothing can be put to it—No new order of beings, whether animate or inanimate, can be produced. God will not create more; man cannot add.
Nor any thing taken from it—
You are in the OT:
I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him. Eccl 3:14 (KJV)
I know that whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever—לעולם [FONT="Gentium" !important][I][SIZE=4]leolam[/SIZE][/I][/FONT], for eternity; in reference to that grand consummation of men and things intimated in [URL="http://www.crossbooks.com/verse.asp?ref=Ecc+3%3A11"]verse 11[/URL]. God has produced no being that he intends ultimately to destroy. He made every thing in reference to eternity; and, however matter may be changed and refined, animal and intellectual beings shall not be deprived of their existence. The brute creation shall be restored, and all human spirits shall live for ever; the pure in a state of supreme and endless blessedness, the impure in a state of indestructible misery.
Nothing can be put to it—No new order of beings, whether animate or inanimate, can be produced. God will not create more; man cannot add.
Nor any thing taken from it—
[h=3]Hebrews 7:18-26[/h]New International Version (NIV)
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”[a]
22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.
23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[b] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
In the KJV for verse 21, it mentioned Melchizedek 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Where did I "LOL" at anyone? I may have found comments to be humorous, but my laughing isn't what refutes you. Its the Word that does. Hence why I quote verses. MsLimpet, have I offended you? Oh, and I do nothing for my salvation, I rest in His (Jesus') finished work. Rest.
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”[a]
22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.
23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[b] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
In the KJV for verse 21, it mentioned Melchizedek 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Where did I "LOL" at anyone? I may have found comments to be humorous, but my laughing isn't what refutes you. Its the Word that does. Hence why I quote verses. MsLimpet, have I offended you? Oh, and I do nothing for my salvation, I rest in His (Jesus') finished work. Rest.
M
Hebrews 7:18-26
New International Version (NIV)
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”[a]
22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.
23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[b] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
In the KJV for verse 21, it mentioned Melchizedek 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Where did I "LOL" at anyone? I may have found comments to be humorous, but my laughing isn't what refutes you. Its the Word that does. Hence why I quote verses. MsLimpet, have I offended you? Oh, and I do nothing for my salvation, I rest in His (Jesus') finished work. Rest.
New International Version (NIV)
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”[a]
22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.
23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[b] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
In the KJV for verse 21, it mentioned Melchizedek 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Where did I "LOL" at anyone? I may have found comments to be humorous, but my laughing isn't what refutes you. Its the Word that does. Hence why I quote verses. MsLimpet, have I offended you? Oh, and I do nothing for my salvation, I rest in His (Jesus') finished work. Rest.
You quote from the NIV, will not debate with you on that...it is an abomination of God's Word.
E
Well first I realized just how sinful and hopeless I was.
Then I tried to stop my sin and tried this christian religion with all their works. But was still empty. and still sinned
Then I realized I could go to God as the pharisee with all my works. or I could Go to God as the sinner, On my knees, Realize how unworthy I am, and beg God to save a sinner such as myself.
I found freedom. I was made alive, I was given a joy I never experienced.
SInce them, Although I have had my ups and downs, And once left for 5 years. I have strived to show my appreciation and gratitude for Gods love for a wretched soul as myself. By doing what ever needs me to do. Although I still admit. I am not perfect.
No me in there, IT IS ALL GOD!! as it should be.
Then I tried to stop my sin and tried this christian religion with all their works. But was still empty. and still sinned
Then I realized I could go to God as the pharisee with all my works. or I could Go to God as the sinner, On my knees, Realize how unworthy I am, and beg God to save a sinner such as myself.
I found freedom. I was made alive, I was given a joy I never experienced.
SInce them, Although I have had my ups and downs, And once left for 5 years. I have strived to show my appreciation and gratitude for Gods love for a wretched soul as myself. By doing what ever needs me to do. Although I still admit. I am not perfect.
No me in there, IT IS ALL GOD!! as it should be.
If you are so knowledgeable you would know I was speaking of Galatians chapter one and three....I can tell you for sure...no peddler of works for salvation will ever change my mind! Some heretical teacher tried cramming that down the church's (throat) in 1st century A.D. and that heresy was corrected by God through numerous writers of the N.T.
Hebrews 7:18-26
New International Version (NIV)
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”[a]
22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.
23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[b] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
In the KJV for verse 21, it mentioned Melchizedek 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Where did I "LOL" at anyone? I may have found comments to be humorous, but my laughing isn't what refutes you. Its the Word that does. Hence why I quote verses. MsLimpet, have I offended you? Oh, and I do nothing for my salvation, I rest in His (Jesus') finished work. Rest.
New International Version (NIV)
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:
“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”[a]
22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.
23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[b] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
In the KJV for verse 21, it mentioned Melchizedek 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Where did I "LOL" at anyone? I may have found comments to be humorous, but my laughing isn't what refutes you. Its the Word that does. Hence why I quote verses. MsLimpet, have I offended you? Oh, and I do nothing for my salvation, I rest in His (Jesus') finished work. Rest.
Hebrews 4:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
[h=3]Hebrews 7:18-25[/h]King James Version (KJV)
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Better? I like KJV and NKJV too. I just liked to use the NIV for this verse because "save completely" instead of "to the uttermost" even though they mean the same thing.
As for your first comment, why the hostility? Also, Ad Hominem.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Better? I like KJV and NKJV too. I just liked to use the NIV for this verse because "save completely" instead of "to the uttermost" even though they mean the same thing.
As for your first comment, why the hostility? Also, Ad Hominem.
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.
In this case, you used my use of NIV to discredit anything I said, when you could've easily just converted it to KJV.
In this case, you used my use of NIV to discredit anything I said, when you could've easily just converted it to KJV.