Failing to understand the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world and that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself, who is the propitiation of our sins, but not ours only, but for the sins of the world (1Jn 2:2), is why you are a respecter of persons and do not understand the mercy and grace of God. You are in great error in this matter of the sacrifice of Christ and the blood that He shed as the Lamb of God. This error is contrary to the doctrine of Christ.
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Joh 5:28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Mat 25:32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd dividethhissheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Will it not be Christ present at the resurrection? Will He not be the Judge? Does it take much imagination to say that the Son will be acknowledged as the Messiah by those He deemed righteous, seeing that He saved them from eternal damnation by their deeds? Wouldn't you proclaim Him as your Savior at that point?
We, the present living, call Him our Savior and are therefore saved, because in His hands is eternal life. Will they who are resurrected not also be living at time? Will the righteous who never heard of the Savior be given the opportunity to accept Him, the Judge before them, as their Savior?
But, do not be naive, they who have heard of Christ during their life and yet still deny Him, He also will deny them before His Father. (Mat 10:33)
Joh 5:29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Mat 25:32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd dividethhissheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Will it not be Christ present at the resurrection? Will He not be the Judge? Does it take much imagination to say that the Son will be acknowledged as the Messiah by those He deemed righteous, seeing that He saved them from eternal damnation by their deeds? Wouldn't you proclaim Him as your Savior at that point?
We, the present living, call Him our Savior and are therefore saved, because in His hands is eternal life. Will they who are resurrected not also be living at time? Will the righteous who never heard of the Savior be given the opportunity to accept Him, the Judge before them, as their Savior?
But, do not be naive, they who have heard of Christ during their life and yet still deny Him, He also will deny them before His Father. (Mat 10:33)
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Hi Enochson,
What part do I not understand? Please enlighten me.
Lol, here I was thinking I was alone in my room. Sorry about that, did not know you were looking over my shoulders? ----Joking
But seriously, sure I did. Is it not talking about the Judgment of God and that He alone will be the Discerner of men's deeds (v3)? And that it is certain that His Judgement during that time will be based on truth (v2). so, who are we to condemn other, when we ourselves sin likewise (v1)?
What part do I not understand? Please enlighten me.
Lol, here I was thinking I was alone in my room. Sorry about that, did not know you were looking over my shoulders? ----Joking
But seriously, sure I did. Is it not talking about the Judgment of God and that He alone will be the Discerner of men's deeds (v3)? And that it is certain that His Judgement during that time will be based on truth (v2). so, who are we to condemn other, when we ourselves sin likewise (v1)?
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Can't we all, as believers in Christ, come on here and do posts that do not include flavoring words that point accusation and show us up as an example of pride ?
Why must we not just let the scripture of Christ, of the apostles, and others that God breathed words through to write the books of the bible or the gentleness of the Holy
Spirit to pen the words that reach these pages for the world (literally) to see
The 'by the ways' and other flavoring words are useless and meaningless in a forum of thought that is MEANT to solely glorify our Saviour.
Approve, disprove, or, even reprove, that is fine, from God, He says all scripture is meant for correction, He also says we are to 'judge righteously,' but can we not understand that unless someone is deliberately doing/saying things that are against God to not ATTACK our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ ?
Intelligent or even unintelligent discussion is fine, just respect the other person's say and say your say and, may both says be from Him, I pray
Peace, Christ bros. and sis' , may His Love and His Truth overflow in you as you speak His Word,
Why must we not just let the scripture of Christ, of the apostles, and others that God breathed words through to write the books of the bible or the gentleness of the Holy
Spirit to pen the words that reach these pages for the world (literally) to see
The 'by the ways' and other flavoring words are useless and meaningless in a forum of thought that is MEANT to solely glorify our Saviour.
Approve, disprove, or, even reprove, that is fine, from God, He says all scripture is meant for correction, He also says we are to 'judge righteously,' but can we not understand that unless someone is deliberately doing/saying things that are against God to not ATTACK our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ ?
Intelligent or even unintelligent discussion is fine, just respect the other person's say and say your say and, may both says be from Him, I pray
Peace, Christ bros. and sis' , may His Love and His Truth overflow in you as you speak His Word,
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Can't we all, as believers in Christ, come on here and do posts that do not include flavoring words that point accusation and show us up as an example of pride ?
Why must we not just let the scripture of Christ, of the apostles, and others that God breathed words through to write the books of the bible or the gentleness of the Holy
Spirit to pen the words that reach these pages for the world (literally) to see
The 'by the ways' and other flavoring words are useless and meaningless in a forum of thought that is MEANT to solely glorify our Saviour.
Approve, disprove, or, even reprove, that is fine, from God, He says all scripture is meant for correction, He also says we are to 'judge righteously,' but can we not understand that unless someone is deliberately doing/saying things that are against God to not ATTACK our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ ?
Intelligent or even unintelligent discussion is fine, just respect the other person's say and say your say and, may both says be from Him, I pray
Peace, Christ bros. and sis' , may His Love and His Truth overflow in you as you speak His Word,
Why must we not just let the scripture of Christ, of the apostles, and others that God breathed words through to write the books of the bible or the gentleness of the Holy
Spirit to pen the words that reach these pages for the world (literally) to see
The 'by the ways' and other flavoring words are useless and meaningless in a forum of thought that is MEANT to solely glorify our Saviour.
Approve, disprove, or, even reprove, that is fine, from God, He says all scripture is meant for correction, He also says we are to 'judge righteously,' but can we not understand that unless someone is deliberately doing/saying things that are against God to not ATTACK our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ ?
Intelligent or even unintelligent discussion is fine, just respect the other person's say and say your say and, may both says be from Him, I pray
Peace, Christ bros. and sis' , may His Love and His Truth overflow in you as you speak His Word,
C
Would you rephrase this please?
Thank you for showing me where to look.
He took the judgment away from those who look for His second return. To these many, shall He return to give salvation without the required judgment of their sins. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin (Psa 32:1-2, Rom 4:8)
Thank you for showing me where to look.
He took the judgment away from those who look for His second return. To these many, shall He return to give salvation without the required judgment of their sins. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin (Psa 32:1-2, Rom 4:8)
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Thank you for all responses - I have lots of reading and studying to do to be able to help my friend with this. I was directed to these verses too... Any additional thoughts?
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
The quote is from Romans 1. The context is about people who had more than natural revelatory knowledge (that there is a God, since creation itself testifies of it) because it says they knew God and the truth but exchanged it for the lie and idolatry (v.21, 23,25). They did not like to retain God in their knowledge, therefore God gave them up to reprobation (v.28).
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But, it is only they who are of faith in which sin is not imputed, those who believe (Rom 4:11). But those who do not believe, shall die in their sins (Joh 8:24). And they believe not because they are not of His sheep (Joh 10:26).
The sheep shall be set on His right hand, and the goats on the left. (Mat 25:33)
Those on His right shall inherit the Kingdom (Mat 25:24), but the ones on the left are cursed and are commanded to depart from Him into the everlasting fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels (Mat 25:41)
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Can't we all, as believers in Christ, come on here and do posts that do not include flavoring words that point accusation and show us up as an example of pride ?
Why must we not just let the scripture of Christ, of the apostles, and others that God breathed words through to write the books of the bible or the gentleness of the Holy
Spirit to pen the words that reach these pages for the world (literally) to see
The 'by the ways' and other flavoring words are useless and meaningless in a forum of thought that is MEANT to solely glorify our Saviour.
Approve, disprove, or, even reprove, that is fine, from God, He says all scripture is meant for correction, He also says we are to 'judge righteously,' but can we not understand that unless someone is deliberately doing/saying things that are against God to not ATTACK our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ ?
Intelligent or even unintelligent discussion is fine, just respect the other person's say and say your say and, may both says be from Him, I pray
Peace, Christ bros. and sis' , may His Love and His Truth overflow in you as you speak His Word,
Why must we not just let the scripture of Christ, of the apostles, and others that God breathed words through to write the books of the bible or the gentleness of the Holy
Spirit to pen the words that reach these pages for the world (literally) to see
The 'by the ways' and other flavoring words are useless and meaningless in a forum of thought that is MEANT to solely glorify our Saviour.
Approve, disprove, or, even reprove, that is fine, from God, He says all scripture is meant for correction, He also says we are to 'judge righteously,' but can we not understand that unless someone is deliberately doing/saying things that are against God to not ATTACK our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ ?
Intelligent or even unintelligent discussion is fine, just respect the other person's say and say your say and, may both says be from Him, I pray
Peace, Christ bros. and sis' , may His Love and His Truth overflow in you as you speak His Word,
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Here are just a couple verses that clarify this. You can't take scripture out of context, since there are too many verses that stated that He died for many, the verses you gave are clearly talking about Him dying for all that are His. Because since scripture is clear that all will not be saved and enter into Heaven, it is clear that He didn't die for all.
Yeshua tells us that if the just shall scarcely enter into the kingdom of Heaven, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear.
He also says wide is the road to distruction and many shall take it, narrow is the path to heaven and few will enter in. (paraphrasing)
I would be a little careful declaring Yeshua failed on the cross. Because He didn't save all, He saved those who are His. For not all will be saved as the Bible clearly states.
As He also said, not all that say LORD,LORD shall enter the kingdom of Heaven.
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Here are just a couple verses that clarify this. You can't take scripture out of context, since there are too many verses that stated that He died for many, the verses you gave are clearly talking about Him dying for all that are His. Because since scripture is clear that all will not be saved and enter into Heaven, it is clear that He didn't die for all.
Yeshua tells us that if the just shall scarcely enter into the kingdom of Heaven, where shall the ungodly and sinner appear.
He also says wide is the road to distruction and many shall take it, narrow is the path to heaven and few will enter in. (paraphrasing)
I would be a little careful declaring Yeshua failed on the cross. Because He didn't save all, He saved those who are His. For not all will be saved as the Bible clearly states.
As He also said, not all that say LORD,LORD shall enter the kingdom of Heaven.
The shedding of blood on the cross did not save all men but provided redemption for all men through an unlimited atonement. It is the desire of God that all men might be saved (1Tim 2:3-5), who is not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance (2Pt 3:9). The desire of God and God's willingness to save all men could not take place without an unlimited atonement. Do we make God, the cross and the blood of Christ a respecter of person's in forgiving and cleansing the sins of men? Is not reconciliation to God available to all sinners by faith in Christ? Was not God in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself by not imputing their sins unto them (2Cor 5:18-20). To preach a limited atonement is to preach a gospel that lacks integrity and one that shows partiality and that is thinking and judging the cross as an evil thing and not as an act of mercy provided by the Son for all men.
The word 'many' is inclusive and not exclusive and means 'once and for all' and not as some understand it. To understand this word and relate it to a limited atonement provided by the death and blood of Christ is gross negligence on the students part, who has not considered the whole counsel of God and the foundation of the Lamb being slain and taking away the sins of the world (1Jn 1:29).
The word 'many' is inclusive and not exclusive and means 'once and for all' and not as some understand it. To understand this word and relate it to a limited atonement provided by the death and blood of Christ is gross negligence on the students part, who has not considered the whole counsel of God and the foundation of the Lamb being slain and taking away the sins of the world (1Jn 1:29).