salvation

[eternally-gratefull]

Again you may believe what you want, but for me:



Isaiah 45:4-7

4*For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

5*I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

6*That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

7*I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Now I'm a simple man and I've been around a few years. Lol, I've been around long enough to understand that two males cannot make a son.

Jesus said that wisdom is justified of HER children. So if WISDOM has children then she must be a MOTHER.

Jesus is both the power (male) and the wisdom (female) of God.

"Today I have begotten thee." When He was brought into the world to die.

lol.. you still have not explained why in the same book, The same person said he was sent by the father AND his spirit..

Who is the father and spirit if they are one and the same?

The author of that is comparing himself with the gods of the world. He is the only God, not baal, not any of the other Babylonian Gods..

 

[Bowman]

You are correct I know nothing about a trinity. But I DO KNOW that you do not understand it as well.

That's an oxymoron.

If you don't even understand the premise; you cannot possibly judge right from wrong.

Salvation has nothing to do with believing this.

It has EVERYTHING to do with a Triune God.

Genesis 33:1-10

33 And Jacob lifted up his eyes, and looked, and, behold, Esau came, and with him four hundred men. And he divided the children unto Leah, and unto Rachel, and unto the two handmaids.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he put the handmaids and their children foremost, and Leah and her children after, and Rachel and Joseph hindermost.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he passed over before them, and bowed himself to the ground seven times, until he came near to his brother.
[SUP]4[/SUP]And Esau ran to meet him, and embraced him, and fell on his neck, and kissed him: and they wept.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And he lifted up his eyes, and saw the women and the children; and said, Who are those with thee? And he said, The children which God hath graciously given thy servant.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Then the handmaidens came near, they and their children, and they bowed themselves.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And Leah also with her children came near, and bowed themselves: and after came Joseph near and Rachel, and they bowed themselves.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And he said, What meanest thou by all this drove which I met? And he said, These are to find grace in the sight of my lord.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And Esau said, I have enough, my brother; keep that thou hast unto thyself.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And Jacob said, Nay, I pray thee, if now I have found grace in thy sight, then receive my present at my hand: for therefore I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God, and thou wast pleased with me.

Is Esau part of the trinity too?

Is he your Savior?

 

[Bowman]

The Father which is Spirit and invisible spoke the WORD, which is the physical image of that same Spirit. Christ being that image which was made flesh.

No.

God is Spirit.

The Father is NOT The Spirit.

 

[justamazed]

That's an oxymoron.

If you don't even understand the premise; you cannot possibly judge right from wrong.








It has EVERYTHING to do with a Triune God.







Is he your Savior?

Don't twist things around.
I do not believe in the trinity. It has nothing to do with salvation. will I rejoice in victory with you or do you see me burning for eternity because of this?

 

[justamazed]

No.

God is Spirit.

The Father is NOT The Spirit.

So the Father is just a spirit but THE Spirit is the Son? LOL

 

[Bowman]

Don't twist things around.
I do not believe in the trinity. It has nothing to do with salvation. will I rejoice in victory with you or do you see me burning for eternity because of this?

You reject Jesus as God.

For this, you will die twice.

Simple.

 

[Bowman]

So the Father is just a spirit but THE Spirit is the Son? LOL

The Father is God.

See....you are totally clueless as to what the Trinity even is....or, for that matter, what your version of God even is...

You are one lost soul...

 

[justamazed]

You reject Jesus as God.

For this, you will die twice.

Simple.

You're the judge.

The Father is God.

See....you are totally clueless as to what the Trinity even is....or, for that matter, what your version of God even is...

You are one lost soul...

I told you before I am indeed confused over trying to understand confusion. You cannot even explain fully how three SEPERATE beings make up the ONE God who said there was NO ONE ELSE BESIDE HIM.

 

[Bowman]

You're the judge.

The Triune God judges mankind.

I told you before I am indeed confused over trying to understand confusion. You cannot even explain fully how three SEPERATE beings make up the ONE God who said there was NO ONE ELSE BESIDE HIM.

Look at my avatar...

 

[justamazed]

The Triune God judges mankind.





Look at my avatar...

The "triune god" didn't pass judgement on me. You did.

And the diagram is only a visual image of confusion. How can they be the same and NOT the same at the same time???

 

[Bowman]

The "triune god" didn't pass judgement on me. You did.

As long as you deny Jesus as God, you can kiss your life goodbye...

And the diagram is only a visual image of confusion.

What part escapes your intellect...?

How can they be the same and NOT the same at the same time???

Simple logic.

1 = 1

Same exact value on both sides, yes?

However, the value on the left is still NOT the one on the right.

They are NOT each other, even though they have the same exact value.

Simple.

 

[Ugly]

How can they be the same and NOT the same at the same time???

How can God exist before time? How can God be eternal, never ending, AND never Beginning. Doesn't make much sense to me, either, doesn't make it not true. Isn't God outside our confines of understanding and ability? Isn't He a being that acts and lives outside our imagination and comprehension? Many of Gods attributes can be confusing to us. Does that mean we dismiss them if it doesn't fit our idea of logical or able?

 

[justamazed]

How can God exist before time? How can God be eternal, never ending, AND never Beginning. Doesn't make much sense to me, either, doesn't make it not true. Isn't God outside our confines of understanding and ability? Isn't He a being that acts and lives outside our imagination and comprehension? Many of Gods attributes can be confusing to us. Does that mean we dismiss them if it doesn't fit our idea of logical or able?

I'm not confused at all about who and what God is. We confuse Him when images are added.

 

[justamazed]

As long as you deny Jesus as God, you can kiss your life goodbye...




What part escapes your intellect...?







Simple logic.

1 = 1

Same exact value on both sides, yes?

However, the value on the left is still NOT the one on the right.

They are NOT each other, even though they have the same exact value.

Simple.

Again you are free to believe how you want. But I see us one day together in perfect knowledge knowledge of our God and you see me burning in flames.

I thought we have the power to forgive?

 

[Bowman]

Again you are free to believe how you want. But I see us one day together in perfect knowledge knowledge of our God and you see me burning in flames.

I thought we have the power to forgive?

Nope.

You are already dead according to scripture.

 

[justamazed]

Nope.

You are already dead according to scripture.

Luke 7:36-43

36*And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat.

37*And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

38*And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

39*Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

40*And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.

41*There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.

42*And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?

43*Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

If I owe the most, may He forgive me debts as I forgive you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Nope.

You are already dead according to scripture.

and who made you God? You think you are going to change his mind by condemning him to hell??

 

[Bowman]

and who made you God? You think you are going to change his mind by condemning him to hell??

He has read scripture and he still rejects Jesus as God.

The opposite of life is death.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He has read scripture and he still rejects Jesus as God.

The opposite of life is death.

where is this in scripture.

For god so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him, and believes he is God. will never die..

I can't find that in my bible. is mine flawed?

or how about this.

for it is by grace we have been saved through faith and believing Jesus is God, not of works. lest any one should
boast?

or this

whoever calls out on the name of the lord., and says yes Lord, i believe you are God,, will be saved.

 

[stek]

I told you before I am indeed confused over trying to understand confusion. You cannot even explain fully how three SEPERATE beings make up the ONE God who said there was NO ONE ELSE BESIDE HIM.

I always learned the trinity to be much like an egg. We can all accept and visualize an egg. Inside the an oval shape possible brown or white. The egg has three seperate parts. A shell which contains a egg yolk and egg white. Depending on what you useing the egg for each has its own charteristics. The yolk is only used in Brule's one one my favorite desserts and the white is only used making meringues for pie and the shell which contains whole the package together. Of course you can have eggs at breakfast which are typically the white and yolk cooked together. have them scrambled, boiled, poached, fried with some hashbrowns and toast and I am going to breakfast now. Made myself hungry

Maybe that will help with some confusion or thought process