Samson did not commit suicide.

[tourist]

*I say your wrong. You say you betcha, well that's not true. God allowed Samson's eyes to be gouged out, and him be the ox mowing the field, for a reason. He went with strange women that was forbidden him, and God wasn't going to destroy the people. Samson prayed and asked God for*strength, the only reason the Lord *allowed the pillars to go down, was because in those years, he was*remorseful, and*sorrowful, and repented before the Lord God. It was then his prayer was granted, not any other reason. If he did not pray, he would of died like the rest of them. The lord wouldn't take innocent people because of his sin, just as Jonah didn't want to go to Ninevah, the Lord told him, he loved them just as well. It was Samson's choice he said, he asked God to avenge them, and his hair was getting longer, so the anointing was there, but not in full*strength, so he prayed. Suicide has no place in this story. Just as Jesus laid down his life for us, freely, some could think that was a self destructive act. In those days, Samson slew a whole army with a donkeys jaw, it was war, and yes he was given the gift of strength, it was his anointing. He was betrayed because he was in the comfort of his flesh, with his head on his mistress lap, spiritually he lost his*strength*then, the flesh was winning, and it did.*HOw do you know how God was going to react, the bible says, no man knows the mind of God. *Samson did have a vision of what was going to happen, he had a plan, a prayer, and knew exactly what was going to happen if the Lord increased his*strength*back. Suicide is a pit of darkness where the light of God does not enter. If God saw in Samson's heart that he felt defeated, and wanted to die, out of defeat, and not victory, he would of not answered his prayer, as God does not partake of death, nor*imparts*it into people's minds. It is from Satan, Life is from God. He prayed to avenge them, not that he would lay there under the stones in defeat. Therefore he did conquer the Philistines once again, and was a victor, not a*victim*of what you think he had in his thoughts, of self destruction. What you said at the start you*believe*he did not , is correct he did not. If someone is thinking Suicide God is not going to put a weapon in their hands, regardless this was in the Old Testament, the Spirit of the LOrd always was present , and it was there that the Old Testament, and the New were inspired by the Holy Spirit. God is not an accomplice, and we don not know what he would of done, or not done, it says, Samson prayed, and asked. HIs anointing was there, as his hair was growing. The same today, if we sin, God is faithful to restore us.*

I am going with your interpretation as it makes the most sense. Your insight is fantastic. God is indeed faithful, and one day he will restore us. Glory to God.

 

[tribesman]

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[TD="class: alt1, bgcolor: #F6F6F6"]I believe the Scriptures teach that Samson did not commit suicide. Unless of course you believe Samson's strength was his own. Was Samson's strength a gift from God? Did God have to grant his prayer? Could not have God destroyed the temple and protect Samson against Samson's wishes? you betcha. So God granting Samson the strength to destroy the temple was God's choice and power. Not Samson's choice. Samson could not destroy the temple on his own power. It was only by the power of God that Samson could do so. Samson still did not really know how God was going to react if he destroyed the temple. Samson did not have a vision or guarantee that he could kill himself. God does not condone people to commit sin. God took Samson's life by the power of God working in Samson. In order for Samson to commit suicide of his own power, he would have to have absolutely zero help from God in his desire to die. In other words, Samson could have found another way to kill himself and the Philistines. But he trusted and relied upon God instead to see if God was going to answer his prayer or not. And God. NOT Samson was the one who ultimately took Samson's life because God gave him the strength to destroy the Temple and also allow him to be die within it.

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I don't get what you're shooting at...here and in many other of your posts. At best it looks like splitting of hairs. Otherwise....risk of errors or worse. Unique "interpretations" of scripture and lengthy reasoning why the classical understandings of same aren't really reliable. Like the text doesn't really say what it says. And now this one. Anything happens that is outside of God's hands? Samson died in battle...he had already gone wrong in some ways and wanted God to give him help to avenge the enemy. And how it happened we all know...no need to read something more or less into the text.

 

[tribesman]

Samson went down fighting like the true warrior that he is. It is like a soldier in the field of battle knowing that he is going to die. He puts his weapon on rock n roll and haves at 'em. It is a death with honor and distinction and worthy of a medal of valor. Posthumously. A coward dies many times but a man that is brave need only fear death once.

Exactly. The discussion of suicide fits not very well into the context of these scriptures.

 

[Ukorin]

Judges 16:30 gives a pretty clear suicide note.

He killed himself, the very definition of suicide.

Two issues:
where does it say that Sampson is gonna be in Heaven?
where does it say that suicide is an unforgivable sin?

The only reason to take your view, is if you hold these two above the Scriptures.

Rather than forcing the Scriptures to submit to you,
submit yourself to the Scriptures.

 

[Jason0047]

It is also important to note that Samson was mentioned in the heroes of faith chapter in Hebrews. So how exactly could he be mentioned within that chapter and yet also commit suicide? It doesn't make any sense.

 

[Ukorin]

It is also important to note that Samson was mentioned in the heroes of faith chapter in Hebrews. So how exactly could he be mentioned within that chapter and yet also commit suicide? It doesn't make any sense.

So then, you have proven that suicide itself is not an unforgivable sin.
If it is done due to faithlessness, then it is still not the suicide that is unforgivable, but the faithlessness.

 

[posthuman]

*Samson did have a vision of what was going to happen, he had a plan, a prayer, and knew exactly what was going to happen if the Lord increased his*strength*back. Suicide is a pit of darkness where the light of God does not enter.

thank you for pointing out that suicide and sacrifice are not quite the same

because Jesus also willingly gave Himself to die, to destroy all our enemies, praise God!

 

[Jason0047]

So then, you have proven that suicide itself is not an unforgivable sin.
If it is done due to faithlessness, then it is still not the suicide that is unforgivable, but the faithlessness.

First, you can't repent of suicide. Second, Samson was not exactly a shining example of faithfulness. Yes, he took action by faith. But he was not always faitfhul to God. He strayed away a lot. So then how was he saved? How was he mentioned among the heroes of faith?

 

[Jason0047]

Suicide is when you take your own life selfishly. Sacrifice is when you lay down your life for another. One is a sin (that you can't repent of) and the other one is done out of love.

 

[Jason0047]

First, you can't repent of suicide. Second, Samson was not exactly a shining example of faithfulness. Yes, he took action by faith. But he was not always faitfhul to God. He strayed away a lot. So then how was he saved? How was he mentioned among the heroes of faith?

Samson was saved because he didn't take his own life. God answered his prayer and gave him his strength back and Samson was trusting God if he was going to die or not. Samson would have no way of really knowing what God was going to do with his life. He could ask, but it is quite another matter for God to answer and give him exactly what he wanted.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

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[TD="class: alt1, bgcolor: #F6F6F6"]I believe the Scriptures teach that Samson did not commit suicide. Unless of course you believe Samson's strength was his own. Was Samson's strength a gift from God? Did God have to grant his prayer? Could not have God destroyed the temple and protect Samson against Samson's wishes? you betcha. So God granting Samson the strength to destroy the temple was God's choice and power. Not Samson's choice. Samson could not destroy the temple on his own power. It was only by the power of God that Samson could do so. Samson still did not really know how God was going to react if he destroyed the temple. Samson did not have a vision or guarantee that he could kill himself. God does not condone people to commit sin. God took Samson's life by the power of God working in Samson. In order for Samson to commit suicide of his own power, he would have to have absolutely zero help from God in his desire to die. In other words, Samson could have found another way to kill himself and the Philistines. But he trusted and relied upon God instead to see if God was going to answer his prayer or not. And God. NOT Samson was the one who ultimately took Samson's life because God gave him the strength to destroy the Temple and also allow him to be die within it.

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Aye, I agree to this. Furthermore to note, look at Samson's last prayer too.

 

[phil112]

First, you can't repent of suicide. ..................

You don't know that. You have a bad habit of standing in for the word of God. I'll trust my bible, thank you very much.
If a person commits suicide and doesn't die immediately, who are you to say God can't have mercy on that soul?

I had a neighbor that shot herself. She didn't die immediately. From the bed to the door, she left a trail of blood. Blood all over the door knob where she was obviously trying to get out. Get out why? For help. She regretted what she did, that much was obvious. In the many minutes she lived, after that fatal shot, you are expressing the utmost arrogance to assume that God wouldn't/didn't/couldn't, have granted her salvation. That is between her and God and God is the judge of that.

 

[prove-all]

so if a person commits suicide, he is dead, can not repent he is dead


now if he tries to commit suicide and not die , God can have mercy on them


but if you kill the temple of God, what else is there,

but hope that God have mercy

You don't know that. You have a bad habit of standing in for the word of God. I'll trust my bible, thank you very much.
If a person commits suicide and doesn't die immediately, who are you to say God can't have mercy on that soul?

I had a neighbor that shot herself. She didn't die immediately. From the bed to the door, she left a trail of blood. Blood all over the door knob where she was obviously trying to get out. Get out why? For help. She regretted what she did, that much was obvious. In the many minutes she lived, after that fatal shot, you are expressing the utmost arrogance to assume that God wouldn't/didn't/couldn't, have granted her salvation. That is between her and God and God is the judge of that.

 

[JimmieD]

Suicide is when you take your own life selfishly.

And Samson took his life because the Philistines gouged out his eyes. It was out of revenge. Isn't this selfish?

Jg 16:28 Samson called to the Lord, “O Master, Lord, remember me! Strengthen me just one more time, O God, so I can get swift revenge against the Philistines for my two eyes!”​

 

[JimmieD]

This statement is ridiculous.

I think it's that you just don't like the way I phrased it. But he did take is own life in the process of, and with the objective of, killing as many Philistines as possible.

 

[thecreationtutor]

can someone say - early kamikazee

 

[posthuman]

can someone say - early kamikazee

the first "suicide bomber" was a Jew, what??

 

[thecreationtutor]

Sampson was a prick - and a brute - but in his brutishness, he still believed God, even if it was for his own means

 

[phil112]

so if a person commits suicide, he is dead, can not repent he is dead


now if he tries to commit suicide and not die , God can have mercy on them


but if you kill the temple of God, what else is there,

but hope that God have mercy

You're not the brightest bulb in the box, are you? If a person, (such as the my neighbor lady), dies as a result of them attempting to kill themselves it is suicide. Period.

No wonder we're having so much trouble getting thru to you around here: You don't understand basic word definitions.
She wasn't murdered, she wasn't in a car wreck, she didn't die of a disease, she didn't die of old age. Cause of death: suicide.

 

[Jason0047]

You don't know that. You have a bad habit of standing in for the word of God. I'll trust my bible, thank you very much.
If a person commits suicide and doesn't die immediately, who are you to say God can't have mercy on that soul?

I had a neighbor that shot herself. She didn't die immediately. From the bed to the door, she left a trail of blood. Blood all over the door knob where she was obviously trying to get out. Get out why? For help. She regretted what she did, that much was obvious. In the many minutes she lived, after that fatal shot, you are expressing the utmost arrogance to assume that God wouldn't/didn't/couldn't, have granted her salvation. That is between her and God and God is the judge of that.

Repentance is a theme of salvation thru out the entire Bible. The Jews were cut off because of their sin of unbelief. And we are told to continue in his goodness or we shall also be cut off. Nowhere does the Bible ever say that you can sin and still be saved. That is a teaching from the very pits of Hell itself. To teach that a person can kill themselves and yet be saved is wrong. What is God exactly saving you from if you have not changed or are putting on the new man every day? For Peter identifies those false prophets who cannot cease from sin in 2 Peter 2:1, 14. In Jude 1:4 NIV, we are told that there are those who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality. That is what you are doing when you saying that a person can kill themself and yet still be saved. It is wrong on so many levels.