FreeGrace2 said:
What question and what verse does Paul ask a question ot the Ephesians that indicates a person does not automatially receive thr Holy Spirt when they believe? Paul makes clear HOW a person receives the Holy Spirit in Gal 3:28.
What group? And what epistle are you referring to?.
Not a legitimate question today. Paul solidified the issue in Gal 3:2,5. Everyone who believes receives the Holy Spirit THEN.
Not a legitimate issue today. Let's move on.
No, it's not. You are just assuming. You have NO IDEA when Acts 19 occurred.
How do you know that was Paul's 3rd journey?...
There are many publications that address bible chronology. I personally use the Jensen's Survey of the New Testament and refer to others as well for confirmation.
The following may help you understand the points I've made. It is lengthy but worth the read to understand the timeline:
The first journey begins when Paul, Barnabas, and Mark set out from Antioch (Acts 13:4). This journey started after 44 AD and ended a "long time" (Acts 14:28) before 50 AD.
They left Antioch for Seleucia and sailed to Cyprus, large island 100 miles off Syrian coast. There they went to Salamis and Paphos where Paul met Bar-Jesus the sorcerer. (Acts 13:4-6).
Then they sail to Perga in Pamphylia, which is now southern Turkey. From here, Mark returns to Jerusalem.
At Antioch in Pisidia (not to be confused with the one in Syria), Paul and Barnabas turn to the Gentiles (Acts 13:46).
Then it was on to Iconium, where they abode a "long time" (Acts 14:3), Lystra, where Paul stoned, but lives (Acts 14:19), and Derbe. Then they retraced their steps back through Lystra, Iconium, and Antioch (in Pisidia) (Acts 14:21).
Paul and Barnabas went throughout Pisidia, Pamphylia, then to Perga, Attalia, and sailed back to Antioch in Syria (Acts 14:24-26)
The first journey ends in Antioch, Syria, where Paul and Barnabas stay there a long time (Acts 14:28).
The dates for the events from 50-60 AD are found by counting backwards from the succession of Felix's reign as Procurator in Judea by Porcius Festus in 60 AD. Should one want to check these dates for accuracy, one should start at 60 AD and work backwards.
In about 50 AD, Paul and Barnabas go to the council in Jerusalem 14 years after Paul's conversion (Galatians 2:1-9 and Acts 15:2).
Judas and Silas return to Antioch (Syria) with Barnabas and Paul where they continued some days (Acts 15:35-36), possibly in the winter of 50-51 AD.
The second journey begins, possibly in the spring of 51 AD. Paul takes Silas through Syria and Cilicia (now southeastern Turkey).
They came to Derbe and Lystra, where they find Timothy, who goes with Paul and Silas throughout Phrygia and Galatia. But they are forbidden by the Spirit to go into Asia or Bithynia. They passed through Mysia to Troas, the island of Samothracia, and then to Neapolis in Macedonia (now northern Greece).
At Philippi, God opens the heart of Lydia and the Philippian jailer (Acts 16:14-34).
Passing through Amphipolis and Appolonia, they came to Thessalonica, where Paul taught for 3 weeks.
After teaching some in Berea, Paul departed ahead of Silas and Timothy, southward into Achaia (now southern Greece), to Athens, possibly for the winter of 51-52 AD (Acts 17:14-15).
Paul then makes his first visit to Corinth where he stays a year and a half (Acts 18:1, 5, 11). This may have been from the spring of 52 AD to the fall of 53 AD. Here, Paul met Aquila and Priscilla, who had just come from Rome, from which Claudius Caesar had banished all Jews. Silas and Timothy rejoin Paul. First Thessalonians was written from here in about 52 AD (1 Thessalonians 3:1-2, 6). We know that it was written from Corinth, and not from Athens, because Silas and Timothy had already rejoined Paul (1 Thessalonians 1:1 and Acts 18:5). Second Thessalonians was also written from Corinth. We know that it was soon after the first letter, because like the first letter, Silas was with Paul when second Thessalonians was written. After Paul leaves Corinth, there is no further mention of Silas traveling with Paul.
Paul left by boat with Aquila and Priscilla to Cenchrea and then across the Aegean Sea to Ephesus. Aquila and Priscilla stay there where they would later meet Apollos (Acts 18:19 and 26).
Paul sails on to Caesarea and then goes up to Antioch in Syria, where the second journey ends. Paul stayed a while (Acts 18:23). This may have been the winter of 53-54 AD.
The third journey begins with Galatia (central region of Turkey) possibly in the spring of 54 AD and then Phrygia (Acts 18:23).
Then Paul arrives at Ephesus where he stayed for 3 years (Acts 20:31) probably from the fall of 54 AD to the fall of 57 AD. Paul meets disciples of John the Baptist. He preached in the synagogue for 3 months (Acts 19:8). He disputed daily in the school of Tyrannus for 2 years (Acts 19:9-10), so that all that dwelt in Asia heard the word. Paul sent Timothy and Erastus ahead into Macedonia, but Paul stayed in Asia for a season (Acts 19:22). Paul wrote 1 Corinthians near the end of this stay in Ephesus (1 Corinthians 16:8,19), probably in 57 AD. It was not written with Timothy, who Paul had sent ahead into Macedonia (Acts 19:22). Paul foresaw his route of travel for the next four or so years in Acts 19:21-22. This agrees with his plans in 1 Corinthians 16:1, 3, 5, 8-10. Note how the "great door" opened to Paul and "many adversaries" in verse 9 compares with the events in the Ephesian amphitheater in Acts 19:23-41. In 1 Corinthians 3:6, Paul says "Apollos watered". This refers to Apollos teaching in Corinth when Paul was at Ephesus (Acts 19:1).
Paul had rejoined Timothy when Second Corinthians was written (2 Corinthians 1:1). Paul had come to Troas and continued to Macedonia (2 Corinthians 2:12-13 and 7:5), where he was joined by Titus (2 Corinthians 7:6 & 13), which seems to correspond to Acts 20:1. Paul also talks of a third visit to Corinth in 2 Corinthians 13:1 and 12:14. So Second Corinthians was most likely written in the fall of 57 AD from somewhere in Macedonia (northern Greece), possibly at Philippi.
In 2 Corinthians 12:1-4, Paul says 14 years ago I ascended into heaven. From 57, going back 14 years to 43 AD, this puts us back before Paul's first journey, probably when he was at Antioch in Syria.
After going through Macedonia (northern Greece), Paul came to Achaia (southern Greece) where he stayed 3 months (Acts 20:2-3), making third visit to Corinth. This is where he spent the winter of 57-58 AD (1 Corinthians 16:5-8). Romans was written at this time (Rom 15:23-26 and 1 Corinthians 16:1-3).
Going back to Macedonia (Acts 20:1), they were at Philippi (northeastern Greece) in spring of 58 AD in the "days of unleavened bread" (Acts 20:6).
Then they sailed to Troas, where a young man fell out of a window, and Paul raises him from the dead (Acts 20:7-12).
Then Paul went to Assos, Mitylene, Chios, Samos, Trogylium, and Miletus (now in southwestern Turkey). From here, Paul addresses Ephesian elders whom he had called to meet him (Acts 20:17-38) in the spring of 58 AD (Acts 20:16).
Sailing to Coos, Rhodes, Patara, and passing on the south side of Cyprus, they came to Tyre (which is now in Lebanon) where they stayed one week. Then they went south to Ptolemais and to Caesarea where they stayed many days (Acts 21:10). Then Paul goes to Jerusalem, where the third journey ends.
Here let us pause to look at the question: When was Galatians written? Galatians was written when Paul was not in prison and when neither Silas or Timothy were with him (Galatians 1:1). It was written after the council in Jerusalem (Acts 15:1-32 and Galatians 2:1-10) and after Paul's second visit to the region on his second journey in about 51 AD (Acts 16:1-6). Since they were "so soon removed" from grace (Galatians 1:6), it must have been before the prison years of 58-63 AD. So it could have been written when Paul was alone in Athens in the winter of 51-52 AD, which would make it Paul's first letter. But this is unlikely, since Paul was only in Athens a short time (Acts 17:15). Or it could have been written from Antioch between Paul's second and third journeys in the winter of 53-54 AD (Acts 18:22-23). But this is also unlikely because Paul would have probably mentioned that he would be coming to them soon on his third journey. It could have been written from Corinth in the winter of 57-58 where Paul wrote Romans. But most likely, it was written from Ephesus during Paul's 3 years there from 54-57. Paul had recently passed through the region of Galatia "... strengthening all the disciples ..." (Acts 18:23) and spent far more time in Ephesus where he could have gotten the unfavorable report about the churches in Galatia (Galatians 1:6) which was relatively nearby.
from Matthewmcgee.org/paultime.html
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