Science and the Bible

[posthuman]

Isn’t there 12 hours in a day and 4 watches.

the Jews used to use 3 four-hour watches, but the Romans used 4 three-hour watches, and the Jews after Roman occupation followed suit ((see Matthew 14:25)). the Psalmist would have been referring to a four-hour period of time, then.

from Smith's Bible Dictionary:

Watches of night : The Jews, like the Greeks and Romans, divided the night into military watches instead of hours, each watch representing the period for which sentinels or pickets remained on duty. The proper Jewish reckoning recognized only three such watches, entitled the first or "beginning of the watches," (Lamentations 2:19) the middle watch, (Judges 7:19) and the morning watch. (Exodus 14:24; 1 Samuel 11:11) These would last respectively from sunset to 10 P.M.; from 10 P.M. to 2 A.M.; and from 2 A.M. to sunrise. After the establishment of the Roman supremacy, the number of watches was increased to four, which were described either according to their numerical order, as in the case of the "fourth watch," (Matthew 14:25) or by the terms "even," "midnight," "cock-crowing" and "morning." (Mark 13:35) These terminated respectively at 9 P.M., midnight, 3 A.M. and 6 A.M. ​

 

[obedienttogod]

why does everyone completely ignore the second half of the sentence in Psalm 90:4 ?

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and as a watch in the night​

I don't, because it completes what we know as a cycle of one day. In this case, one thousand years.

 

[obedienttogod]

You have an amazing ability to read what simply is not in the text.


A watch in the night is three or four hours, not "a day". The comparison is made to two different lengths of time, so this verse doesn't actually support your opening statement.

There is nothing here about a thousand years.

Here you quote the only verse in the entire Bible that relates "a day" with "a thousand years" and you completely overlook the context... which is critical to understanding the verse and applying it properly.


Neither of these verses compare "a day" to "a thousand years" by any stretch.


This verse says nothing about a day being equal to a thousand years. It doesn't mention "a day" at all.


It's the same situation with this verse; no "a day".


Not here either.


Nor here.


Nope.


Nada.



Given that you have not actually supported your assertions, your conclusion (which for some reason you thought needed to be shouted instead of merely stated) is without foundation.

Like your rebuttal has any merit to what I can see in scripture, that you need it to be literally spelled out for like a child, is a far cry from me needing to pamper your reality like a charity case!!

 

[posthuman]

I don't, because it completes what we know as a cycle of one day. In this case, one thousand years.

you don't?

could you highlight for me where in your post do you make use of -- or even acknowledge -- that piece of relevant information?
because i don't see it, and it appears to me by saying '1,000yr = 1 day' to God, you're clearly ignoring it.
from the actual text of the scripture, honesty demands that if you're extrapolating an equation from it, you get

1,000yr = 4hr = 24hr​

or, converting everything to hours,

8,760,000 = 4 = 24​

but you clearly said,

one thousand years equals one day with God

so i'm a bit confused about your assertion now that you don't completely ignore the rest of the verse . . . ?

 

[KnowMe]

the Jews used to use 3 four-hour watches, but the Romans used 4 three-hour watches, and the Jews after Roman occupation followed suit ((see Matthew 14:25)). the Psalmist would have been referring to a four-hour period of time, then.

from Smith's Bible Dictionary:

Watches of night : The Jews, like the Greeks and Romans, divided the night into military watches instead of hours, each watch representing the period for which sentinels or pickets remained on duty. The proper Jewish reckoning recognized only three such watches, entitled the first or "beginning of the watches," (Lamentations 2:19) the middle watch, (Judges 7:19) and the morning watch. (Exodus 14:24; 1 Samuel 11:11) These would last respectively from sunset to 10 P.M.; from 10 P.M. to 2 A.M.; and from 2 A.M. to sunrise. After the establishment of the Roman supremacy, the number of watches was increased to four, which were described either according to their numerical order, as in the case of the "fourth watch," (Matthew 14:25) or by the terms "even," "midnight," "cock-crowing" and "morning." (Mark 13:35) These terminated respectively at 9 P.M., midnight, 3 A.M. and 6 A.M. ​

I’ve heard some say the mentioned 12 hours day so that means 12 hours night, but IMO just because the rest says, (stumbles at night) doesn’t have to point to the another 12 hours.

 

[Dino246]

Like your rebuttal has any merit to what I can see in scripture, that you need it to be literally spelled out for like a child, is a far cry from me needing to pamper your reality like a charity case!!

Your reply only reflects on you.

 

[KnowMe]

12 is set and the solstice experience is?

 

[obedienttogod]

you don't?

could you highlight for me where in your post do you make use of -- or even acknowledge -- that piece of relevant information?
because i don't see it, and it appears to me by saying '1,000yr = 1 day' to God, you're clearly ignoring it.
from the actual text of the scripture, honesty demands that if you're extrapolating an equation from it, you get

1,000yr = 4hr = 24hr​

or, converting everything to hours,

8,760,000 = 4 = 24​

but you clearly said,



so i'm a bit confused about your assertion now that you don't completely ignore the rest of the verse . . . ?

LOGIC, you do grasp that sort of CONCEPT, don't ya?

Well, it does state (LOGIC that is), that if a reference to one day speaks of the event of what constitutes a period defined to complete a day. In this case, time was given a reference definition to speak one thousand years. But we take it back to God. And it's logical to presume many one thousand year periods throughout scripture can give reference to a day's completion in God's personal time, not of ours.

And it's logical to presume, if God chose one week to complete creation and then rest, He could easily wait another week to end the entire experiment of His Creation!! Even though, He knew the results before the Beginning, He just wanted to watch it unfold before His own Reasoning!! God to me, seems rather critical, precise, technical, requiring logic and knowledge and Reason in everything He purposefully sets out to do. If we are to follow His path as a Lamp unto our feet, He has a road map designed and He wants it followed. And then gives us the free will to choose His direction or our own. Then He watches it unfold!!

Your reply only reflects on you.

I don't feel being reflected, better try again

 

[KnowMe]

Logical time on earth goes right out the window when leaving earth to another spot in space.

 

[Dino246]

LOGIC, you do grasp that sort of CONCEPT, don't ya?

Posthuman is one of the more logically-adept contributors to this site. Your snark is badly misplaced.

Well, it does state (LOGIC that is), ...

Fallacy: anthropomorphism. "Logic" doesn't actually "state" anything; humans do.

 

[calibob]

The word of God wasn't dictated to or for those who doubted his existence and since he isn't bound by time like us and he didn't need to explain himself to us, he didn't. You can't quantify spiritual matters they are beyond our comprehension. @Magenta ->
Job 38
1 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:


2 “Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.

4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?

8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’?

12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken. NIV; Biblegateway.com

 

[Hevosmies]

You guys are very smart I can see that.

Most of the stuff im reading is way over my head.

But I will continue reading, maybe i'll learn something .

 

[calibob]

Romans 1:21-23 New International Version (NIV)

"21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles." May I add; ET's, big bang, evolution & string theory?

 

[posthuman]

LOGIC, you do grasp that sort of CONCEPT, don't ya?

Well, it does state (LOGIC that is), that if a reference to one day speaks of the event of what constitutes a period defined to complete a day. In this case, time was given a reference definition to speak one thousand years.

AND four hours. ((a watch in the night))

why are you leaving that part out?

got logic . . ?

 

[Dino246]

AND four hours. ((a watch in the night))

why are you leaving that part out?

got logic . . ?

Inconvenient truth is irrelevant. It shall be assimilated.

 

[KnowMe]

You guys are very smart I can see that.

Most of the stuff im reading is way over my head.

But I will continue reading, maybe i'll learn something .

It’s all just fun, 500 yrs be all different, lol.

 

[KnowMe]

If man makes it to mars, it’s 24 hours 35 minutes days.

 

[posthuman]

Inconvenient truth is irrelevant. It shall be assimilated.

A mathematician, physicist, and engineer are taking a math test. One question asks "Are all odd numbers prime?"​

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The mathematician thinks, "3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is not prime -- nope, not all odd numbers are prime."​

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The physicist thinks, " 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is not prime -- that could be experimental error -- 11 is prime, 13 is prime, yes, they're all prime."​

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The engineer thinks, " 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is prime, 11 is prime, ..."​

 

[KnowMe]

A mathematician, physicist, and engineer are taking a math test. One question asks "Are all odd numbers prime?"​

​

The mathematician thinks, "3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is not prime -- nope, not all odd numbers are prime."​

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The physicist thinks, " 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is not prime -- that could be experimental error -- 11 is prime, 13 is prime, yes, they're all prime."​

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The engineer thinks, " 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is prime, 11 is prime, ..."​

the official definition of a second is 9,192,631,770 cycles of the radiation that gets an atom of the element called cesium to vibrate between two energy states.

 

[Hevosmies]

A mathematician, physicist, and engineer are taking a math test. One question asks "Are all odd numbers prime?"​

​

The mathematician thinks, "3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is not prime -- nope, not all odd numbers are prime."​

​

The physicist thinks, " 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is not prime -- that could be experimental error -- 11 is prime, 13 is prime, yes, they're all prime."​

​

The engineer thinks, " 3 is prime, 5 is prime, 7 is prime, 9 is prime, 11 is prime, ..."​

is that supposed to be a joke? Can someone translate that to me from Scientist to Gypsy?