Science and the Teachings of Jesus

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False set up/logic premise, which is quite similar to your first premise.

Lamp.


Not light bulb/candle/torch/headlight/etc.

Notice something about all the lamps. They aren't the light. They carry the light.

This is about where you go throughout the denunciation. You start with the assumption it's like other stuff, when it's not. If your headlight dies, do you grab a flashlight to replace it? Of course not, because they aren't the same things and don't function the same. If you're looking at a new home, is the first place you go to the outdoor's section of a store to look at tents? Of course not, because a tent isn't the same thing as "new home."

In like fashion, stop comparing "Christian" to Hindu, Islamic, and everything else out there.

When you're ready to see it as something specific -- someone specific -- feel free to ask.

As it stands, this sounds like a canned speech.
I'm a bit confused about what you are arguing here; it seems to me a straw man.

When did I suggest that lamps are themselves the light? Indeed they "carry" the light, but Jesus is telling you that "you" are that very light. So your body is carrying your own light; how is this in any way false logic/premise?

To clarify; your body is simply an accumulation you have gathered from the planet. If you eat something, it becomes human body within a few hours. Similarly, your mind is an accumulation based on whatever you have become identified with. These things, while you have collected them, can be "yours" ie. your body, but they can never be you ie. the "light" which is carried through them. Of course they are not the same.

A lamp is a vessel. Your body is a vessel. Light is your own perception (as it was used in those days). Your perception is the very light of the world. If your perception is "evil", the world will in kind become dark. If your perception is "good", the world will in kind become light.

This is a simple analogy is it not? How could one possibly confuse this?
 
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Yogic? Mmmm, I would say logic instead, and your logic fails right away, for our Light is not our own, but His Who created the universe and gave us life. He is the Light of this world, and those Who deny Him as the creator of all and the giver of life will have their names blotted from His book of life, and shall pass into the second death following the resurrection and judgment of all, for they are without excuse. John 8:12

When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
Sorry, but to me this is resulting from dogma. Jesus told you directly that "you" are the light of the world. Here you say your light is not your own. You may as well say your mind is not your own as well. Those who deny his teachings (ie. that you are the light of the world, thus what you perceive is relative to YOU) and the truth they contain, also deny him, thereby denying the father, thereby denying themselves. Did Jesus not make this clear to you when he said let any man deny himself and take his own cross? That's what he means; to deny Jesus is to deny yourself; and that you are indeed the light of the world. Not him! He was relative to his own experience, as you are relative to yours, which is why the "second coming" is an internal event, not an external one. Those awaiting a physical messiah would only do so if they fundamentally misinterpret (via dogma) what Jesus actually means when he says he is coming back. His return is an internal event; the moment you believe it is external, once again, you are being distracted away from your own self.
 

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Sorry, but to me this is resulting from dogma. Jesus told you directly that "you" are the light of the world. Here you say your light is not your own. You may as well say your mind is not your own as well. Those who deny his teachings (ie. that you are the light of the world, thus what you perceive is relative to YOU) and the truth they contain, also deny him, thereby denying the father, thereby denying themselves. Did Jesus not make this clear to you when he said let any man deny himself and take his own cross? That's what he means; to deny Jesus is to deny yourself; and that you are indeed the light of the world. Not him! He was relative to his own experience, as you are relative to yours, which is why the "second coming" is an internal event, not an external one. Those awaiting a physical messiah would only do so if they fundamentally misinterpret (via dogma) what Jesus actually means when he says he is coming back. His return is an internal event; the moment you believe it is external, once again, you are being distracted away from your own self.
We are the light of the world yes but not because of ourselves but rather because of he who lives in us. It was never about us it has always been about him, I have never heard of your interpretation of his return but what about when the apostles watched him ascend into heaven and an angel appeared them telling them he will return in the same manner?
 
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One thing I have learnt about justoneman is that he believes he's a genius because he believes in relativity, relativity was explained a long time ago in The Bible, they are slow these people who think of themselves as science lovers.
 

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True he never said he was God but he certainly implied it, I don't anything about being an authority Christian or anything but Jesus would often say your sins are forgiven and then the Pharisee who may have done so as an attack was not wrong in saying how only God can forgive sins
Jesus testifying by answering a question put t Him that He is God at His trial should be enough as directly saying so.

Matthew 26:[SUP]63 [/SUP]But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.[SUP] 64 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.[SUP]65 [/SUP]Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.[SUP]66 [/SUP]What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.

That is what being the Christ means; it is a title identifying Him with deity. That was why they had crucified Him for.
 
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I see... well Religious or not and before I ask this question I want to let you know I only ask out of curiosity what do you think will happen after you die? I am not trying to convert or condemn you and my responses so far have been for mere discussion nothing more like I said you have my interest lol
What I am going to describe will be outside of your experience; therefor I say don't believe it, but neither should you disbelieve it; just allow it to be a future possibility.

See your very life energies are in sync with the rest of creation as a whole. Truth is inevitable; it always surfaces prior to your physical "death" relative to your own experience.

A few hours before your "mortal" death, your perception of time will increase dramatically; faster and faster. This is not a psychological phenomena, it is a part of the life process itself. This is a natural consequence of the accumulation of all of that which you have collected: your tendencies, behaviors, prejudices etc.

As such (just like how the universe and the laws that govern it were determined in the initial conditions of the big bang) in whichever state you physically "die" in, for example what your tendencies are, you lose all control over any discretionary ability granted to you by your intellect; because your intellect is not you. As such, your experience after death is solely generated by your own internal "tendencies", which are no longer in your control anymore.

It is as such when one dies, the "state" in which they die determines how he/she will experience the period of time between death and finding another womb. If one is in a state of internal bliss, we can say he/she is in heaven. If one is in an internal state of turmoil, we can say he/she is in hell.

Death is like a sudden removal of the physical laws (gravity). If a planet is orbiting a star, death is like the collapse of gravity whereupon the planet will shoot off into whatever its last trajectory was. Whatever tendencies you die with will accompany you; but you will no longer have the ability to control them as you can consciously decide now.

That is why karma (literally means doing) is treated with so much importance in Eastern schools; your karma is essentially your own personal silo of everything you become identified with in life which is guiding your thoughts/feelings/emotions/life energies. The goal of liberation is to remove the effect of karma, thereby ending the cycle of birth and death itself, which is the same as NOT eating from the tree of good/evil.

It is as such inner-engineering is important; how to keep this piece of life is fundamental. This is why enhancing perception is imperative; to know your own self is to know the whole of creation. I am not saying I am at this point; but I certainly understand the importance of the words "know thy SELF".

But death is a liberation from what would otherwise be a perpetual birth/death cycle brought about by our own personal ignorance. If you understand this, and make liberation your ultimate goal by seeking unity with creation (it doesn't matter how you do it, unless you're a dogmatic Christian), then you will perceive God as a stepping stone only; the basis of creation (manifestation) is within you; as I alluded to in a previous post regarding dreams and the creative mechanism being wholly within yourself.

As such, death and life are two sides of the same coin; whatever you build up within yourself over time is what will unwind when you lose your discretionary ability (temporarily granted by your intellect).

When you understand that "time" is internal, it is thus relative to the observer. Time does not happen "out there", it happens within you. That's why the whole Biblical narrative happens concurrent to you, because the "second coming" happens within you; that is the only way it can be applied to every single human being. People are being pooled into various "beds" (as Revelation described) over long periods of "time". Your "death", and the "end of the world" happen at the same time; it is always meant to relative to each individual's experience.

Now here you may cry foul and suggest this is impossible because you see people die everywhere and the world still goes on. Now you tell me; have you ever seen a dead person? You may have witnessed someone die, shed the physical body, be in a coma etc. but have you actually seen a dead "person"? No, so what you refer to as "death" is only how you perceive while you yourself are still alive. Actual "death" is outside of your experience; you know not what it entails. Sure there are people who have near-death experiences and live to tell them; but that's just the problem, they are alive again.

That is precisely why Jesus said:

The father is in me, and I am in you.
Nobody gets to the father except through me.
I am the alpha and omega; the first and the last. The beginning and the end.

But the whole essence of the teaching of Jesus was that HE IS IN YOU. As such you are the first and last relative to your own experience; it all starts and ends with YOU. You, you, you, nobody else but you.

But this should not be cause for fear; knowing this, there is only one way to turn, which is into yourself, which is why Jesus is technically the only way; it's just that (as I expected) there is much dogma developed around this concept which does more harm than good, because it effectively takes the keys from their own hands and places it back into their authorities.
 
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We are the light of the world yes but not because of ourselves but rather because of he who lives in us. It was never about us it has always been about him, I have never heard of your interpretation of his return but what about when the apostles watched him ascend into heaven and an angel appeared them telling them he will return in the same manner?

If you take such accounts as true/literal, this is a matter of what you are willing to accept as "evidence". Personally, I don't treat the gospel account of Jesus as reliable. It is with great skepticism I read them. I don't know where you are getting the "because he who lives in us" part; the very source of creation (or God) is indeed within every person/living creature, but that's not what Jesus said. He said YOU are the light.
 
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One thing I have learnt about justoneman is that he believes he's a genius because he believes in relativity, relativity was explained a long time ago in The Bible, they are slow these people who think of themselves as science lovers.
And evolution was talked about over 15 000 years ago; what is your point?

It seems you only engage with trolling/ad hominem so I won't be replying to anything further unless you have something more meaningful to say.
 
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And evolution was talked about over 15 000 years ago; what is your point?

It seems you only engage with trolling/ad hominem so I won't be replying to anything further unless you have something more meaningful to say.
You're not bringing anything new here to me, just another version of over complicated nonsense and presenting it thinking you are special in some way.
 

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Sorry, but to me this is resulting from dogma. Jesus told you directly that "you" are the light of the world.
You contradict yourself to call what I say dogma but then you quote the same source as if it were not dogma. I understand that as an atheist (or however you classify yourself), it will be impossible for you to harmonize your views. Jesus identified HIMSELF as the Light of this world.
 
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will i be alive at 3,000? but my generation will remain....
 
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justoneman, one of the beautiful things about The Bible is that complicated things are explained in a simple way, no need for reading long scientific explanations. Having said that, there are many parts of The Bible which are complicated :D relatively depending on what God has revealed to a person and if a person is gullible and arrogant they will dismiss The Bible as dogma and unscientific, what a big mistake.
 

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Just one man, what is the basis of your post to Blain?

Is this based on gained knowledge or revelation?


I agree that as i age time seems faster.. and many elders would always warn me this would happen... and it is so. Hehe.

Are you in to some type of mystic belief?

I have given you a few questions but I'm just trying to grasp.

Thank you kindly.
 
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justoneman, another thing, some advice, real complicated knowledge learnt through the teachings of Jesus Christ can't be gained just by reading lots and lots of books and believing what you like the sound of. You need to follow the instructions of Jesus Christ, get the simple things right first before you can know greater things, God won't open great mysteries to a novice.
 
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loverofjesus27

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i like reading books, christian books.
 
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loverofjesus27

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Mr. Men books?
 
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loverofjesus27

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Seriously. No.
 
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