Scriptural support for Free Will
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See this is the problem with a theology that restricts God.
Jesus blood is wholly sufficient to make atonement for the sins of every soul that ever sinned. Limited atonement is incorrect and makes false assumptions not found in the bible. The universalist is also incorrect in that not every sinner will be saved but it's not God who causes some to be saved and some to be condemned.
Did God love Esau? Did God love Pharaoh? Does God love all of His creation? Adam chose to rebel against God.
Man cannot save himself but God requires man to choose whom he will serve. To deny personal responsibility for sin is capricious.
The whosoever wills become the elect because they have received.
Man was changed in the fall. Man must be changed again to be restored.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Jesus blood is wholly sufficient to make atonement for the sins of every soul that ever sinned. Limited atonement is incorrect and makes false assumptions not found in the bible. The universalist is also incorrect in that not every sinner will be saved but it's not God who causes some to be saved and some to be condemned.
Did God love Esau? Did God love Pharaoh? Does God love all of His creation? Adam chose to rebel against God.
Man cannot save himself but God requires man to choose whom he will serve. To deny personal responsibility for sin is capricious.
The whosoever wills become the elect because they have received.
Man was changed in the fall. Man must be changed again to be restored.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You may cease your baseless attack as I have never related mans ability to choose as a mystical element of salvation.
You're misunderstanding and misappropriation of the concepts Calvin was endeavoring to teach places you outside of biblical theology. God is God and is quite able to provide for the salvation of every soul that has ever been brought into existence. God is also able to make the need to be saved known to every soul that has ever been created. God created every soul and loves every soul with a love that only He can love.
Man is responsible to God for his sin. God does not make man sin and God does not make man get saved against mans will. Gods sovereignty is absolute and Gods mercy is the blood red line that keeps all of mankind from absolute and immediate eternal destruction.
We need to view God as He is and cease from imputing to Him our flaws and fears. That which seems impossible to man is possible with God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You're misunderstanding and misappropriation of the concepts Calvin was endeavoring to teach places you outside of biblical theology. God is God and is quite able to provide for the salvation of every soul that has ever been brought into existence. God is also able to make the need to be saved known to every soul that has ever been created. God created every soul and loves every soul with a love that only He can love.
Man is responsible to God for his sin. God does not make man sin and God does not make man get saved against mans will. Gods sovereignty is absolute and Gods mercy is the blood red line that keeps all of mankind from absolute and immediate eternal destruction.
We need to view God as He is and cease from imputing to Him our flaws and fears. That which seems impossible to man is possible with God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I just wanted to throw this verse into the fray...... 
"Yet, the LORD, the God of Israel, chose me from all the house of my father to be king over Israel forever. For He has chosen Judah to be a leader; and in the house of Judah, my father's house, and among the sons of my father He took pleasure in me to make me king over all Israel. "Of all my sons (for the LORD has given me many sons), He has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel. "He said to me, 'Your son Solomon is the one who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him.
"Yet, the LORD, the God of Israel, chose me from all the house of my father to be king over Israel forever. For He has chosen Judah to be a leader; and in the house of Judah, my father's house, and among the sons of my father He took pleasure in me to make me king over all Israel. "Of all my sons (for the LORD has given me many sons), He has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel. "He said to me, 'Your son Solomon is the one who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him.
I just wanted to throw this verse into the fray......
"Yet, the LORD, the God of Israel, chose me from all the house of my father to be king over Israel forever. For He has chosen Judah to be a leader; and in the house of Judah, my father's house, and among the sons of my father He took pleasure in me to make me king over all Israel. "Of all my sons (for the LORD has given me many sons), He has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel. "He said to me, 'Your son Solomon is the one who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him.
"Yet, the LORD, the God of Israel, chose me from all the house of my father to be king over Israel forever. For He has chosen Judah to be a leader; and in the house of Judah, my father's house, and among the sons of my father He took pleasure in me to make me king over all Israel. "Of all my sons (for the LORD has given me many sons), He has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel. "He said to me, 'Your son Solomon is the one who shall build My house and My courts; for I have chosen him to be a son to Me, and I will be a father to him.
There is a God chosen purpose for every soul god ever created.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
In the days of the apostles souls were saved upon hearing the word of God from men who could testify of the saving grace of God in Christ.
The real question is how does God get His word to those who need to hear it? God does what only He is able to do. I cannot see into the hearts of men to know their thoughts and intents. I do not discount that God can and does for His pleasure and brings into the fold those who believe.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The real question is how does God get His word to those who need to hear it? God does what only He is able to do. I cannot see into the hearts of men to know their thoughts and intents. I do not discount that God can and does for His pleasure and brings into the fold those who believe.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
No one denies God can do whatever He pleases. The question is not that, but how does He save ppl? The Bible is replete with ppl being saved by preaching, reading a bible, or being being witnessed to.
1 Cor. 1:21 states God was pleased to save ppl by the foolishness of preaching.
Romans 1:16 says the same thing.
Ephesians 1:13 says after hearing the gospel of your salvation and believing it, then you are sealed with the Spirit.
There is no salvation given to ppl outside of the gospel.
Its as plain as the nose on your face.
You’re teetering on mysticism.
1 Cor. 1:21 states God was pleased to save ppl by the foolishness of preaching.
Romans 1:16 says the same thing.
Ephesians 1:13 says after hearing the gospel of your salvation and believing it, then you are sealed with the Spirit.
There is no salvation given to ppl outside of the gospel.
Its as plain as the nose on your face.
You’re teetering on mysticism.
Of course God chose Solomon just as God chose David his father.
Just whom did God not have mercy upon? Does God cause the rain to fall on the evil as well as the good?
Surely you are able to do a better job of tying this together if you want to actually teach something from here.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Just whom did God not have mercy upon? Does God cause the rain to fall on the evil as well as the good?
Surely you are able to do a better job of tying this together if you want to actually teach something from here.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
wasnt there a free will offering?
Cast your bread upon the waters
[h=1]Leviticus 7:16 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h][FONT="]16 But if the sacrifice connected with his offering is for a vow or is a voluntary offering, then, while it is to be eaten on the day he offers his sacrifice, what remains of it may be eaten the next day.[/FONT]
[h=1]Ezra 1:4-6 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)[/h][FONT="]4 Let every survivor, no matter where he lives, be helped by his neighbors with silver, gold, goods and animals, in addition to the voluntary offering for the house of God in Yerushalayim.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 The heads of fathers’ clans in Y’hudah and Binyamin, along with the cohanim, the L’vi’im, and indeed all whose spirit God had stirred, set out to go up and rebuild the house of Adonai in Yerushalayim. 6 All their neighbors supported them by giving them articles of silver, gold, goods, animals, and valuables, besides all their voluntary offerings.
They continued faithfully in the teaching of the emissaries, in fellowship, in breaking bread and in the prayers. 43 Everyone was filled with awe, and many miracles and signs took place through the emissaries. 44 All those trusting in Yeshua stayed together and had everything in common; 45 in fact, they sold their property and possessions and distributed the proceeds to all who were in need. 46 Continuing faithfully and with singleness of purpose to meet in the Temple courts daily, and breaking bread in their several homes, they shared their food in joy and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having the respect of all the people. And day after day the Lord kept adding to them those who were being saved.
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Satan did not take control of Eve's mind and turn her in to a zombie automation... Eve by her own free will made her decision to go for what satan was enticing her with.. She co-operated with satan by her own free will.. She opposed the will of God by her free willed action..
So free will certainly exists but of course the end result of free will,, no matter what way a person decides to go,, will have consequences.. Good and bad consequences in this life. And when it comes to acceptance or rejection of the will of God in regard to the Way He has made for us the be saved, Good and bad consequences in the Eternal life..
So free will certainly exists but of course the end result of free will,, no matter what way a person decides to go,, will have consequences.. Good and bad consequences in this life. And when it comes to acceptance or rejection of the will of God in regard to the Way He has made for us the be saved, Good and bad consequences in the Eternal life..
The ability for one to make an attempt to influence another to make a certain decision or go a certain was is Not Control over that person.. That person still has the free will to go over the others attempt and with their own free will decide if they are going to take the bait or reject the attempt..
In the case of Eve Both God and satan pitched their advice as to what to do.. Eve was the one with her free will who decided which way to jump... She jumped the wrong way..
In the case of Eve Both God and satan pitched their advice as to what to do.. Eve was the one with her free will who decided which way to jump... She jumped the wrong way..