Sda's: If the Sabbath is an important law of God, then why...?

[john832]

I never said that people shouldn't keep the law, on the contrary....I encourage anybody reading to keep all 10 commandments to the best of their ability but if they choose not to, I judge them not.

God also happens to delight in showing mercy and compassion.....If it wasn't for that, we would all certainly be doomed. Sure the verse you posted says "all liars", but is there anyone here among us that is willing to claim they've never lied?

The difference being that there are those who have repented and then there are those who practice deceit.

That's why it's faith in God and Jesus is what saves, not our deeds according to the letter of the law. Does this mean we should lie with reckless abandon and continue to do anything we please and/or teach people to break commandments? God forbid, but if we do happen to sin.......we have a mediator. God judges righteously AND he abundantly pardons, he delights in mercy.

Nobody will be justified by how well they kept the law, because we've all broken the law at some point in our lives....we've all sinned.

OK, this makes about 14,237 times I have made this statement...

100 lifetimes of 100 years each of perfect obedience to the Law will not earn eternal life, it is the gift of God.

Now here is the point, eternal life is a wonderful, marvelous gift that actually cannot be comprehended by us...

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

God gives this gift freely, but to whom does He give it? To one who blatantly disregards His Laws? He already has a few myriads of those. We call them Satan and the demons. Does He expect a certain level of committment to His way of life? Or does He hand out eternal life to anybody, no matter what their character. Does He expect us to do something? Here is an example...

My father told me that if I never smoked a cigarette before the age of 21, he would give me a gold pocket watch that belonged to his dad, my granddad. Now, did not smoking earn the watch? No, my granddad worked in a cement plant and earned the money to buy it. He GAVE it to my dad. My dad offered it to me but with a condition. Now, does God offer us something we have not earned? Something that Christ purchased with His precious blood but has a condition? The condition is don't sin...

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

So, what is sin?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

This is why Christ said this...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

And why should we not sin? I mean really, why should we not sin, why should we obey? Because God wants us to jump through hoops? No, because God, as the Designer and Creator of humanity knows what is best for us...

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

For how long? Forever! This is why God instructed our first parents not to decide right and wrong for themselves. Are you old enough to remember the TV show "Father Knows Best"? Well, guess what, Father does know best and His Laws are what are best for mankind. There is however a lawless one who wanted to be in charge. Who thought to take for himself something that didn't belong to him, neither was he qualified for it...

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

And convinced 1/3 of the angels to throw their lot in with him...

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Now this guy is very slick...

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And has convinced people that God's Laws aren't the best way, that his way is best. He did that in the garden...

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Now who did our first parents believe? God? He said that if they ate of the tree they would die. they would return to dust...

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Do most people believe that today? How many people believe that we have an immortal soul today? How many people believe that God's Commandments are the best way? If most people did, we wouldn't be having this discussion today. there would be know question about the fourth Commandment.

 

[john832]

Do you even know there is a difference between an Israelite and Jew?

i know i was a gentile( unbeliever ) once but god saved me and made me a member of the body of christ so which one are you? some of you like to refer to yourself as a " spiritual jew "

Didn't think so.

 

[josh123]

The difference being that there are those who have repented and then there are those who practice deceit.



OK, this makes about 14,237 times I have made this statement...

100 lifetimes of 100 years each of perfect obedience to the Law will not earn eternal life, it is the gift of God.

Now here is the point, eternal life is a wonderful, marvelous gift that actually cannot be comprehended by us...

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

God gives this gift freely, but to whom does He give it? To one who blatantly disregards His Laws? He already has a few myriads of those. We call them Satan and the demons. Does He expect a certain level of committment to His way of life? Or does He hand out eternal life to anybody, no matter what their character. Does He expect us to do something? Here is an example...

My father told me that if I never smoked a cigarette before the age of 21, he would give me a gold pocket watch that belonged to his dad, my granddad. Now, did not smoking earn the watch? No, my granddad worked in a cement plant and earned the money to buy it. He GAVE it to my dad. My dad offered it to me but with a condition. Now, does God offer us something we have not earned? Something that Christ purchased with His precious blood but has a condition? The condition is don't sin...

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

So, what is sin?

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

This is why Christ said this...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

And why should we not sin? I mean really, why should we not sin, why should we obey? Because God wants us to jump through hoops? No, because God, as the Designer and Creator of humanity knows what is best for us...

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

For how long? Forever! This is why God instructed our first parents not to decide right and wrong for themselves. Are you old enough to remember the TV show "Father Knows Best"? Well, guess what, Father does know best and His Laws are what are best for mankind. There is however a lawless one who wanted to be in charge. Who thought to take for himself something that didn't belong to him, neither was he qualified for it...

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

And convinced 1/3 of the angels to throw their lot in with him...

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Now this guy is very slick...

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And has convinced people that God's Laws aren't the best way, that his way is best. He did that in the garden...

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Now who did our first parents believe? God? He said that if they ate of the tree they would die. they would return to dust...

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Do most people believe that today? How many people believe that we have an immortal soul today? How many people believe that God's Commandments are the best way? If most people did, we wouldn't be having this discussion today. there would be know question about the fourth Commandment.

you know what's happening here.. your living in the pass just can't get pass exodus... can you i believe it's because you grew up in an adventist home but seek the truth for yourself it is in the bible.. the believe in christ and love each other is the only commandment we need to follow brother.. your just trying to make things complicated and lets be honest.. or in fact you should be honest with yourself are you.. keeping the 10 commandments.. perfectly everysingle week so far for your life.. ask yourself that.. and it's impossible you cannot tell me yes because the law was there to tell us that we were sinning.. and we cannot follow it, if israel continued not in the law.. do you think your more religious than them to do it? common man you know it doesn't make sense..9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [h=3]Hebrews 8:9 that is why it was changed.. brother because they continued not.. just seek god for understanding and not yourself, if the first was found faultless would've been no need for a 2nd but it was found faultless so he made a second.. it's right there infront of your eyes in the scripture why won't you accept that..[/h]

 

[john832]

you know what's happening here.. your living in the pass just can't get pass exodus... can you i believe it's because you grew up in an adventist home but seek the truth for yourself it is in the bible.. the believe in christ and love each other is the only commandment we need to follow brother.. your just trying to make things complicated and lets be honest.. or in fact you should be honest with yourself are you.. keeping the 10 commandments.. perfectly everysingle week so far for your life.. ask yourself that.. and it's impossible you cannot tell me yes because the law was there to tell us that we were sinning.. and we cannot follow it, if israel continued not in the law.. do you think your more religious than them to do it? common man you know it doesn't make sense..9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. Hebrews 8:9 that is why it was changed.. brother because they continued not.. just seek god for understanding and not yourself, if the first was found faultless would've been no need for a 2nd but it was found faultless so he made a second.. it's right there infront of your eyes in the scripture why won't you accept that..

Answer me this, what Law was changed?

 

[SpiritofFire]

Answer me this, what Law was changed?

The law of Love!

 

[danschance]

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

God's moral laws are forever. They will not change or cease, forever. Sin today will be sin tomorrow, next year, next millennium, next eon and forever and ever. This does not included ceremonial or dietary laws of God given to the Jews only, as they are shadows of other things. Animal sacrifice is done. Circumcision is done and the sabbath as it was given to the Jews is done.

If you disagree then take another peek at Col. 2:16

Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

 

[john832]

Answer me this, what Law was changed?

The law of Love!

No, there is a specific Law this section is dealing with...

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

What was changed?

Num 18:1 And the LORD said unto Aaron, Thou and thy sons and thy father's house with thee shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary: and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
Num 18:2 And thy brethren also of the tribe of Levi, the tribe of thy father, bring thou with thee, that they may be joined unto thee, and minister unto thee: but thou and thy sons with thee shall minister before the tabernacle of witness.
Num 18:3 And they shall keep thy charge, and the charge of all the tabernacle: only they shall not come nigh the vessels of the sanctuary and the altar, that neither they, nor ye also, die.
Num 18:4 And they shall be joined unto thee, and keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, for all the service of the tabernacle: and a stranger shall not come nigh unto you.

The Levites, specifically the sons of Aaron were to be priests. No one else could. This was a matter of heredity and DNA. Only Aarons sons, who were of the tribe of Levi, could serve as priests.

Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

What tribe?

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Judah! This is the Law that was changed, the Law that stated only Levites could be Priest, yet Christ was of the tribe of Judah.

One very important rule in Bible study is "get the context". Read all around a verse you are looking at.

This is what prompted the question to josh123 about the difference between an Israelite and a Jew. Judah was one of actually thirteen tribes. To say that all Israelites are Jews is like saying all Americans are Pennsylvanians. It simply shows ones ignorance.

 

[josh123]

stop trying to be cainanites and just do what god only requires us to do... 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. [h=3]1 John 3:23 surrender to the first one and you will see/feel and do the will of god... just let god live the life he has intended for us in us and not the flesh... do the will of the spirit instead of the will of the flesh[/h]

 

[john832]

stop trying to be cainanites and just do what god only requires us to do... 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23 surrender to the first one and you will see/feel and do the will of god... just let god live the life he has intended for us in us and not the flesh... do the will of the spirit instead of the will of the flesh

More brilliant Biblical exegesis.

 

[josh123]

More brilliant Biblical exegesis.

too basic and simple for you isn't it?

 

[SpiritofFire]

No, there is a specific Law this section is dealing with...

Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

What was changed?

Num 18:1 And the LORD said unto Aaron, Thou and thy sons and thy father's house with thee shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary: and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
Num 18:2 And thy brethren also of the tribe of Levi, the tribe of thy father, bring thou with thee, that they may be joined unto thee, and minister unto thee: but thou and thy sons with thee shall minister before the tabernacle of witness.
Num 18:3 And they shall keep thy charge, and the charge of all the tabernacle: only they shall not come nigh the vessels of the sanctuary and the altar, that neither they, nor ye also, die.
Num 18:4 And they shall be joined unto thee, and keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, for all the service of the tabernacle: and a stranger shall not come nigh unto you.

The Levites, specifically the sons of Aaron were to be priests. No one else could. This was a matter of heredity and DNA. Only Aarons sons, who were of the tribe of Levi, could serve as priests.

Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

What tribe?

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Judah! This is the Law that was changed, the Law that stated only Levites could be Priest, yet Christ was of the tribe of Judah.

One very important rule in Bible study is "get the context". Read all around a verse you are looking at.

This is what prompted the question to josh123 about the difference between an Israelite and a Jew. Judah was one of actually thirteen tribes. To say that all Israelites are Jews is like saying all Americans are Pennsylvanians. It simply shows ones ignorance.

If this is about context, then please follow your own guidelines.

Hebrews 7

7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, (Is he a "dna" descendant of Levi?) who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. Abraham was blessed by another who was NOT birthed from his loins. What law was this?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
[SUP]21 [/SUP](For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
[SUP]22 [/SUP]By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

 

[Praus]

Josh, we have to keep the Sabbath to be saved! If we don't we must go to Christ for forgiveness to be saved. It is the law that we keep it and we cannot live with God eternally if we are law breakers. We MUST worship on this day. When we go to Christ it is with repentance, turning around from our not worshipping God as He says, and through Christ it is as if we were not law breakers.

Jesus sends people to hell for going outside on the Sabbath?

Exod 16:27 On the seventh day some of the people went out to gather, but they found none. 28 And the Lord said to Moses, “How long will you refuse to keep my commandments and my laws? 29 See! The Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

 

[danschance]

Red Tent, where in the bible does it say you must keep the sabbath to be saved?

 

[freeman4]

Red Tent, where in the bible does it say you must keep the sabbath to be saved?

The Sabbath, 7th. day is a sign of one being of God. Sunday is a sign of one being of something else. In time one will keep Gods Sabbath if they are in the Kingdom of God.

 

[john832]

If this is about context, then please follow your own guidelines.

Hebrews 7

7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, (Is he a "dna" descendant of Levi?) who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. Abraham was blessed by another who was NOT birthed from his loins. What law was this?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
[SUP]21 [/SUP](For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
[SUP]22 [/SUP]By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

You have highlighted the verse about Mechisidec. OK, that is the point of the passage, at the time of Moses God instituted a human Priesthood, the Levitical Priesthood. Every human Priest had to be of the tribe of Levi and a direct descendant of Aaron. Now, with Christ becoming the High Priest, the Law had to be changed concerning who could be a Priest. Since He was born of the tribe of Judah, for Him to be Priest the Law had to be changed. God will not violate or compromise with His Law in the slightest. In an area we may view as insignificant, God absolutely will not compromise in the slightest, all must be correct. For with Him...

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

When God says something, you can count on it to be exactly as He says, yesterday, today and forever. There is never the slightest doubt.

 

[john832]

The Sabbath, 7th. day is a sign of one being of God. Sunday is a sign of one being of something else. In time one will keep Gods Sabbath if they are in the Kingdom of God.

Of this you are 100% correct...

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

I have to wonder about the length of this thread. What day did God establish? The seventh day Sabbath...

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The fourth Commandments looks back at that creation week and reinforces the Sabbath...

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This shows that He blessed the Sabbath and made it Holy on that first Sabbath of creation week.

Down through history the Sabbath has never changed. Christ kept it. Paul kept it. The New Testament reinforces it and Isaiah shows that in the Millenium, the Sabbath will be kept.

Now, why is it there is so much controversy over the fourth Commandment? Have you ever seen a thread in which someone has went to great lengths to show that the sixth Commandment has been done away and it really is OK to violate it? Who has ever said that murder is quite acceptable and the sixth Commandment does not apply?

The Sabbath has been, is and will continue to be the test Commandment. It shows God who His people are.

 

[sparkman]

The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant
Exodus 34:28 “So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the word of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 31:18 “And he gave to Moses when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deut 4:13 “And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone”.
Deut 9:9 “When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you.”
Deut 9:11 “And at the end of forty days and forty nights the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and Israel, not God and Christians
Ex 31:12-17 And the Lord said to Moses, “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death. Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.”
The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for ANYONE
Heb 8:13-9:4 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. For a tent was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table, and the bread of the Presence. It is called the Holy Place. Behind the second curtain was a second section called the Most Holy Place, having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.
Gal 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterwards, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Gal 3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith
Gal 3:25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a guardian
2 Cor 3:4-18 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even much more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
The Sabbath, as part of the Old Covenant, is not in affect for ANYONE
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
Rom 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Col 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ
Jesus is our Sabbath or spiritual rest, and we enter into that spiritual rest by placing our faith in Him
Matt 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and lean from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Heb 4:1-8 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest. “ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.”. Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today”, saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted. “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had not given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from is works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
Christians are under the New Covenant, which has much higher demands and different commandments
Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.”
Heb 9:15 Therefore, he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Jn 15:12 This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Jn 15:17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
I am a former Sabbathkeeper due to my association as a new believer with Worldwide Church of God (now called Grace Communion International). Worldwide Church of God came to realize in 1995 that Christians are under the New Covenant, and not the Old Covenant, and the Sabbath does not apply to Christians under the New Covenant. It was a sign of the Old Covenant (like baptism and the Lord’s Supper are signs of the New Covenant), and is not a moral absolute like Sabbathkeepers claim. Sabbathkeeping doctrine invariably takes the focus off the true gospel, which is about Jesus Christ and salvation by grace through faith in Him (Eph 2:8-9). As a Sabbathkeeper, I rarely heard messages about God’s grace and love; the message of such organizations invariably focuses on the Sabbath. Jesus Christ was also placed on the backburner and was not the focus of their teaching. If you would like good sources of information in regards to the Sabbath check out Grace Communion International’s website at https://www.gci.org/law I now attend an Evangelical Free church that focuses on Jesus Christ and salvation through Him, which is the true gospel.