hi Forth
I do want to respond to all of your post, but let me just address this portion for now cause I do not have time for the proper answer on all the rest of it that your post deserves (and I truly do appreciate the time you are taking to respond)
I know and believe and actually love the fact that Jesus is my Lord. Where we differ is in believing that you are not saved unless you incorporate that fact into your salvation.
The mistake being made by LS is stating that unless we 'submit' to Christ as Lord we are not saved.
He becomes our Lord, because He IS Lord when we are saved. We cannot make Him what He already is.
One day, EVERY knee will bow and EVERY tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. that means EVERYONE.
so He IS Lord. however, He is a kind, gentle and loving Lord who understands our frailties and He does not whop us over the head when we sin ~ even deliberately. The day everyone calls Him Lord though, will be a different day. They will have no choice but to bow and admit that Jesus Christ is Lord
Jesus is Lord and He is MY Lord. He is also my Savior, my Friend and the Lamb of God and worthy of all my worship, trust, loyalty, love and just anything that I can give that is worth anything of my life.
since you asked and I have answered, I hope you can accept what I wrote.
will hopefully get back later.
thanks again
ps...doesn't Jesus say that if we deny Him He will deny us? I take that seriously
yes. Jesus IS Lord and He is my Lord. please do not confuse me with any other person in the boards even if I agree with them from time to time. my answer is my answer and I cannot help what anyone else writes or thinks
I do want to respond to all of your post, but let me just address this portion for now cause I do not have time for the proper answer on all the rest of it that your post deserves (and I truly do appreciate the time you are taking to respond)
I know and believe and actually love the fact that Jesus is my Lord. Where we differ is in believing that you are not saved unless you incorporate that fact into your salvation.
The mistake being made by LS is stating that unless we 'submit' to Christ as Lord we are not saved.
He becomes our Lord, because He IS Lord when we are saved. We cannot make Him what He already is.
One day, EVERY knee will bow and EVERY tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. that means EVERYONE.
so He IS Lord. however, He is a kind, gentle and loving Lord who understands our frailties and He does not whop us over the head when we sin ~ even deliberately. The day everyone calls Him Lord though, will be a different day. They will have no choice but to bow and admit that Jesus Christ is Lord
Jesus is Lord and He is MY Lord. He is also my Savior, my Friend and the Lamb of God and worthy of all my worship, trust, loyalty, love and just anything that I can give that is worth anything of my life.
since you asked and I have answered, I hope you can accept what I wrote.
will hopefully get back later.
thanks again
ps...doesn't Jesus say that if we deny Him He will deny us? I take that seriously
yes. Jesus IS Lord and He is my Lord. please do not confuse me with any other person in the boards even if I agree with them from time to time. my answer is my answer and I cannot help what anyone else writes or thinks
I just want to address one thing in this post in particular though.
so He IS Lord. however, He is a kind, gentle and loving Lord who understands our frailties and He does not whop us over the head when we sin ~ even deliberately
Matthew 10
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Luke 12
49 “I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! 50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! 51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. 52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
Matthew 23
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. 15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.
Matthew 23
27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Luke 12
49 “I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! 50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! 51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. 52 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
Matthew 23
13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. 15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell as yourselves.
Matthew 23
27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness. 28 So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Revelation 19
11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule[c] them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule[c] them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
Hebrews 12:4-16English Standard Version (ESV)
4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?
“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”
7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?
“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”
7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? 8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. 9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. 11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.