Seducing spirits and doctrines of devils

Grace777x70 · May 31, 2016

You still have not answered the truth of the scriptures below.....I'm not falling for "rabbit trails " today. The true gospel of the grace of Christ is important.

Here are the very scriptures again - remember these are word-for-word accounts of the true gospel of the grace of Christ being preached.

Here's Peter....shouldn't he have said "You need to forgive anyone first before you can receive God's forgiveness by the blood of Jesus"??

Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

And the same thing for Paul - he didn't say 'You need to forgive first before we you can be forgiven by the blood of Jesus" ??

Acts 13:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

Or is it possible Jesus was talking about the law when He gave those words out for His disciples at the time they were still under law then? The New Covenant didn't come into effect until Jesus died and rose again to obtain our eternal forgiveness.

Here Paul says that forgiveness is all based on "according to the riches of His grace "..not if we forgive first.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

gb9 · May 31, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

mindset on display - repent ( works ) leads to faith, then if you get those 2 right, you get grace.

100% completely opposite of grace-faith-works, which is what the Bible teaches.

next time you say 'I don't have a works-based theology , you get a lol from me, and a reference back here.

InSpiritInTruth · May 31, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Did you obey Jesus' words when He said to "Go and preach the gospel in Jerusalem, then Judea, then Samaria"

If you haven't then you are in your own words - you are denying Jesus.

We do we deny the words of God in regards to the true gospel of the grace of Christ for forgiveness after the Cross where we don't need to forgive people before we receive Christ's forgiveness as Peter and Paul showed in Acts 10 and Acts 13?

Obviously we need to take all scripture even the words of Jesus and see who they are talking to and what was the purpose of His words at the time He spoke them. Context is so key or we end up mixing up the Old Covenant with the New and we end up with a works-based doctrine like the Old Covenant was based on.

Let's climb into the New Covenant build upon better promises and of which the blood of Jesus speaks of better things. We have a truly great and complete salvation in Christ and we don't need to add our own "works" onto it.

CONTEXT, CONTEXT,CONTEXT!!!! If you don't take the whole Context of the Bible you are in danger of getting the "con" from false teachers like Joseph Prince.

Grace777x70 · May 31, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

Not into "rabbit trails" today.

You didn't answer the question below...did you obey Jesus' words and go to Jerusalem first to preach the gospel just like He commanded?

Here it is again below in blue.

Did you obey Jesus' words when He said to "Go and preach the gospel in Jerusalem, then Judea, then Samaria"

If you haven't then you are in your own words - you are denying Jesus.

We do we deny the words of God in regards to the true gospel of the grace of Christ for forgiveness after the Cross where we don't need to forgive people before we receive Christ's forgiveness as Peter and Paul showed in Acts 10 and Acts 13?

Obviously we need to take all scripture even the words of Jesus and see who they are talking to and what was the purpose of His words at the time He spoke them. Context is so key or we end up mixing up the Old Covenant with the New and we end up with a works-based doctrine like the Old Covenant was based on.

Let's climb into the New Covenant build upon better promises and of which the blood of Jesus speaks of better things. We have a truly great and complete salvation in Christ and we don't need to add our own "works" onto it.

InSpiritInTruth · May 31, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

And this speaks to the heart of the matter. Those who oppose my thread and the scriptures I've posted are opposed to it because they do not believe what is plainly written about the many who would in fact depart from the faith. They do not truly believe in the words of Jesus and the apostles who spoke of the prophecy of the falling away from the faith because the man made doctrines they do believe in has taught them this is not possible.

False doctrines like OSAS and Hyper grace which do not believe your own evil actions and ongoing sin can compromise your salvation and security.

So they in truth deny the words of God as true, and thereby deny Jesus Christ who is the very Word of truth. Thereby they also deny the faith of Christ. They do all this in order to cling to sugar coated doctrines of men and devils who make them feel better about their ongoing sinful ways.

The Truth hurts them because it cuts like a double edge sword. If they truly believed in Jesus Christ they would embrace the Truth, but because they are opposed to the Truth they hate the message and the messenger.

InSpiritInTruth · May 31, 2016

I'm not into playing your straw man games of deception either.

InSpiritInTruth · May 31, 2016

John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 31, 2016

gb9 said:

Stop and prayerfully consider about what you are saying here. You are having a problem with the witness that obedience is required. Yet what does it mean to be a Christian, but to follow (do, be obedient to) the lord's teachings.

Grace777x70 · May 31, 2016

InSpiritInTruth said:

I completely understand....

Trying to fit what Peter and Paul said in Acts 10 and 13 - in their word-for-word accounts of preaching the true gospel of the grace of Christ can "conflict" with some of our religious beliefs.

The truth is that they did not say. "you must forgive others before you can receive Christ's forgiveness - obtained by God's riches in grace which He purchased with His own blood for an eternal redemption and the complete forgiveness of sins"

There is no "conditional" forgiveness which is contingent on us forgiving first in the New Covenant which started after the Cross and Jesus fulfilled the law for us.

It's anti-the gospel. It is however 100% the law that we must forgive first in order to receive forgiveness in the law.

We forgive now because we are already forgiven in Christ. This is our new nature in Him in our inner man in Christ being expressed out to others.

Paul says in Eph. 4:22 to put on the new man in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness...then he shows us what this looks like in the next verses including this one below.

Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

Anyway...I believe you mean well.....have a great day!

InSpiritInTruth · May 31, 2016

No, actually you don't.

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 31, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

A person under the law didn't have to forgive in order to be forgiven. All he had to do was offer the appropriate sacrifice.

Forgiving to be forgiven is all new covenant.

Grace777x70 · May 31, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Really? I wonder why Peter and Paul never said anything about this when they preached the gospel? ( the truth is that Jesus elevated the law as He often did to show people that they really couldn't keep it and that they needed a Savior )

People who lived under the Old Covenant did not have a means of lasting forgiveness as a part of the covenant under which they lived which is why it was "conditional."

Here are the very scriptures again - remember these are word-for-word accounts of the true gospel of the grace of Christ being preached.

Here's Peter....shouldn't he have said "You need to forgive anyone first before you can receive God's forgiveness by the blood of Jesus"??

Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

And the same thing for Paul - he didn't say 'You need to forgive first before we you can be forgiven by the blood of Jesus" ??

Acts 13:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

Or is it possible Jesus was talking about the law when He gave those words out for His disciples at the time they were still under law then? The New Covenant didn't come into effect until Jesus died and rose again to obtain our eternal forgiveness.

Here Paul says that forgiveness is all based on "according to the riches of His grace "..not if we forgive first.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

Stunnedbygrace · May 31, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

Was it Augustine who said, no one was ever persuaded to love God because of harshness?
We love Him because of a great fear of judgement?
NO!
We love Him because He first loved us! Perfect love casts out fear.

All of the threads always wind up centering around the same exact thing, even though it might appear to be different things.
It's HOW you look at: If you love Me you will obey My commands.
One man sees this when he reads it: I must obey.
Another sees this: I muredered my husband in my heart for leaving his dirty socks and clothes all balled up on the floor. Lord, thank you that You have promised if I just believe and trust, you will see to this problem and I will obey You and stop murdering.

I think it comes down to the difference between WILL and MUST.
The "will" thinks, I don't know how He will accomplish this but I trust Him.
The "must" thinks, I will go to hell if I don't obey.

The first clearly sees their murder and so weeps at His grace and clings to Him as their only hope.
The second sees only outward murder as sin and so can bring the message of Gods judgement to others to get them to "straighten up and fly right."

This is how I have seen the threads, the difference between the posters. The first seems to be saying in his heart, Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.
The second seems to be saying in his heart, I want to help these others to not sin and become more like me so they will be saved.

gb9 · May 31, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

I completely understand. a person will submit and obey BECAUSE they are saved, not to be saved. His sheep know HIS voice.

I say this because when I was unsaved, I was a " believer". I believed in God, Christ, the virgin birth, the resurrection, etc.., but I did not care much for doing what the Word said, I just lived however. when I came to Christ, I began to read the Bible daily, with a great desire to learn and do what it said, big difference than just " believing".

ukok102nak · May 31, 2016

:smoke: once a breathren of ours told us something about what they call
a letter to all who want to know the truth . ...
but some people were beg to disagree for it is not comfortable unto them whose
beliefs were chained by their customs :8)
please
:read:
16)* Regarding the Number of the Beast, Dr. Rodriguez writes: “The Number of the Beast. The mark, the name, and the number of the beast are closely related (Rev. 13:17). Many suggestions have been made to explain the meaning of 666. Here we must be very careful. The Bible does not say that the number is the added numerical value of the letters of a name. . . . Some see in the meaning of 666 a symbol of humanity separated from God. Humans were created on the sixth day, and the number can stand as a symbol for humanity without divine rest (the seventh day).”
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******* Dr. Rodriguez concludes, saying: “At the present time, the symbolism of intensified rebellion, six used three times, and total independence from God seem to be the best option. Time will reveal the full meaning of the symbol” (Thursday, June 6, 2002).
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17). Dr. Rodriguez continues giving three reasons for rejecting the traditional Vicarius Filii Dei interpretation. He writes:* “First, it is not clear that this title is an official one.”* My research has shown that Vicarius Filii Dei has been used as one of the papal title, but it is not the official title.* The reason is that the pope has many titles, not ONE official title. The most common title is Vicarius Christi, which is similar to Vicarius Filii Dei.
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18)* The second reason Dr. Rodriguez gives is that the phrase “it is a human number” (v. 18), suggests that the number represents “humans separated from God.” This is an important point, ignored by most people, because the KJV inaccurately reads “it is the number of a man” (Rev 13:18). The key phrase in Greek reads “arithmos anthropou” (Rev 13:18),* means “human number.” The phrase suggests that it is not the number of a name, but the number representing a human condition of rebellion against God. The triple six suggests a determined effort of the beast to promote the worship of himself, rather than of God.

:now: its up to all of you whether you say something that could hurt the feelings of this people who only want to share their wisdom and knowledged unto others
like us

:rofl: unlike those who were tragistically afraid after they learn the truth
literally and spiritually

:ty:

godbless us all always

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 31, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Instead of trying to string me along with you reading your interpretation into scripture (and thereby ignoring what I said), why don't you support what you actually claimed, i.e., that a person under the old covenant (law) had to forgive to be forgiven. The law is very specific, so if true that should be easy to show.

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 31, 2016

gb9 said:

I completely understand. a person will submit and obey BECAUSE they are saved, not to be saved. His sheep know HIS voice.

I say this because when I was unsaved, I was a " believer". I believed in God, Christ, the virgin birth, the resurrection, etc.., but I did not care much for doing what the Word said, I just lived however. when I came to Christ, I began to read the Bible daily, with a great desire to learn and do what it said, big difference than just " believing".

And how is that different than what I'm saying?

Grace777x70 · May 31, 2016

gb9 said:

Amen...there is a vast difference between someone obeying to "maintain" salvation and obeying because it is descriptive that we are saved and secure in Christ. One is works-righteousness and the other is a by-product of the life that is already in us in Christ.

In "security" leads to true "maturity" in Him.

Obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.

We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules, but a love-trust relationship. When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly.

I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us.

Grace777x70 · May 31, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Let's answer the first question I asked before you came up with a rabbit trail about the true gospel which Peter and Paul preached. We do have word-for-word accounts of what was said in them preaching about forgiveness.

How the Jews got forgiveness back in the Old Covenant in irrelevant to the New Covenant after the Cross.

Here it is again..let's stay on track here without the rabbit trails so we can get something accomplished here.

Here are the very scriptures again - remember these are word-for-word accounts of the true gospel of the grace of Christ being preached.

Here's Peter....shouldn't he have said "You need to forgive anyone first before you can receive God's forgiveness by the blood of Jesus"??

Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."

And the same thing for Paul - he didn't say 'You need to forgive first before we you can be forgiven by the blood of Jesus" ??

Acts 13:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

Here Paul says that forgiveness is all based on "according to the riches of His grace "..not if we forgive first.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

Grace777x70 · May 31, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Here is scripture after the Cross about forgiveness. We need to throw all these out if we need to forgive before we are forgiven.

On the subject of forgiveness that we have in Christ now because of His precious Blood...here is what the scriptures say.....sometimes the truth in the gospel of the grace of Christ "conflicts" with what we have been religiously taught.

1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.

have been forgiven = perfect passive

perfect = The perfect tense expresses perfective action. Perfective action involves a present state which has resulted from a past action. The present state is a continuing state; the past action is a completed action. It is continuously happening in the present.

passive = voice = action is happening to you....you are not doing it

Without a doubt this verse says that the sins are forgiven from a past action that remains in a continuous completed state and that was put on them....not something they did.

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

We have redemption = present continuous action...so this means we have present continuous forgiveness of our sins...

and look...that grace stuff shows up again!...it's all according to the riches of our loving Father's grace that He has given to us in Christ our Lord.

Colossians 1:13-14 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Same thing here too...present continuous action = forgiveness of sins

Redemption!..we have been bought with the precious Blood of Jesus... Let's honor His work.

Brethren ...we have a great salvation in our Lord!

Walk in the knowledge of your forgiveness in Christ and in that security we will experience maturity.

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