(Sensitive topic) Why did God allow killing in the bible when the commandments says though shalt not kill?

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Mii

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well what a strange discussion.

In regards to the question there is a simple answer in the first in kill is not the same as murder. When the Lord commanded someone be executed for certain offenses this wasn't murder, it was his justice.

Consequently when someone died through natural causes did God murder them? They died. It happens, these aren't eternal suits, they have a manufacturer expiration date of 0-120 years.



Murder is something that is not corporal that is carried out in a fashion where sin is probable; then motives must be accounted for. It is interesting that there is a distinction in scripture for crimes of passion (heat of the moment) and premeditated murder. I would encourage you to seek that out.

But then you also have Phinehas in Numbers 25:7. This was due to zeal and was an interesting occurrence to note.

And of course Cain must logically be factored into the discussion.







I had hoped to type just this part but the former just sort of flowed so if it is of use...praise :)


Anyway, in regards to evil and why bad things happen or are allowed to occur I would highly encourage you to seek him on this. The same way that some parents will allow their children to touch fire when they clearly want to and allow them to experience their "wages" for this action. This is only a tiny part of the equation. To me it is loving and organic but also something to be responsible with.

It is a difficult thing and I've achieved some sort of equilibrium with the Lord on this and he has helped me with it a ton. It's a personal question that no one can really answer for you. I also believe it's a lifelong question. If I can be of any further assistance, Lord willing, I will do so
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
I use the NIV but also always compare scripture with the KJV and others. But if you learn how to navigate a interlinear Bible online or in book form then this can help you see if even the Kjv is accurate.

A interlinear will give you the actual Hebrew or Greek translation and then the nearest English word to fit that translation.

There was at least 7 English Bibles before the KJV. The Kjv was promoted by the government and excluded Bible commentary from the Geneva Bible. The Geneva Bible is where the KJV originated from but King James didn't like the reformation leaders that wrote the commentary on the Geneva Bible.
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I like to compare different versions as I am unaware of which one is actually the orginial. I've also used the niv version before.
 
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GODsHumblePrincess said:
I like to compare different versions as I am unaware of which one is actually the orginial. I've also used the niv version before.
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you sound like you are open-minded. I encourage you to stay that way. Doubting and questioning are a sign of a maturing faith imo.
 
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Mii said:
well what a strange discussion.

In regards to the question there is a simple answer in the first in kill is not the same as murder. When the Lord commanded someone be executed for certain offenses this wasn't murder, it was his justice.

Consequently when someone died through natural causes did God murder them? They died. It happens, these aren't eternal suits, they have a manufacturer expiration date of 0-120 years.



Murder is something that is not corporal that is carried out in a fashion where sin is probable; then motives must be accounted for. It is interesting that there is a distinction in scripture for crimes of passion (heat of the moment) and premeditated murder. I would encourage you to seek that out.

But then you also have Phinehas in Numbers 25:7. This was due to zeal and was an interesting occurrence to note.

And of course Cain must logically be factored into the discussion.







I had hoped to type just this part but the former just sort of flowed so if it is of use...praise :)


Anyway, in regards to evil and why bad things happen or are allowed to occur I would highly encourage you to seek him on this. The same way that some parents will allow their children to touch fire when they clearly want to and allow them to experience their "wages" for this action. This is only a tiny part of the equation. To me it is loving and organic but also something to be responsible with.

It is a difficult thing and I've achieved some sort of equilibrium with the Lord on this and he has helped me with it a ton. It's a personal question that no one can really answer for you. I also believe it's a lifelong question. If I can be of any further assistance, Lord willing, I will do so
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That is along the lines of what I was thinking in regards to it being more of a command of God for it is he who judges therefore it is justice. But what bothered me was more of the fact that he allowed it to be excuted by persons themselves...I guess I am beginning to wrap my head around it a bit better..but I still can't differentiate between murder and killing.
 
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GODsHumblePrincess said:
That is along the lines of what I was thinking in regards to it being more of a command of God for it is he who judges therefore it is justice. But what bothered me was more of the fact that he allowed it to be excuted by persons themselves...I guess I am beginning to wrap my head around it a bit better..but I still can't differentiate between murder and killing.
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Well he executed justice personally as well. You can read Deut through Joshua and see that. Think on why he would allow a human being to execute capital punishment (as well as setting down laws from him prescribing this) and why he would involve us at all. It's a good question and a hard one.


I can give you something of a lens in the NT. Why institute church discipline when the Lord can do it personally?
 
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GODsHumblePrincess said:
I like to compare different versions as I am unaware of which one is actually the orginial. I've also used the niv version before.
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There isn't one original manuscript. But there are 1000s of copies or fragments that are dated near the time of the original. And scientists practice a art called textual criticism that compares and contrasts all these works to see what has been changed in our current Bibles.

Remarkably our Bibles are quite accurate and even without the manuscripts. The early church fathers almost quote every verse in the NT within their letters.

So the question isn't really which one is close to the original but which English version is most accurate to the Hebrew or Greek word.

And to be honest so far many are close but not all are perfect and will still take us to compare translations.
 
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GODsHumblePrincess said:
Why did God allow Christians to slay wicked people the bible
And why does he allow rape (especially children)?
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I don't see anywhere in the Bible where God tells Christians to slay wicked people.. Can you quote scripture where Jesus told Christiasn to kill anyone?

Rape along with all other crimes are a result of people being faulty.. People are faulty because we obtained the knowledge of good and evil and clearly could not control it.. God allows suffering in this world so that we can see the problem we have.. Once a person knows their is a problem they seek a solution.. The solution is the LORD Jesus Christ and His Atonement that saves us from the eternal penalty that comes upon faulty people like us..
 
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morefaithrequired said:
if you get to Heaven before me, can you private message me from there? Tell me what its like and how i can make sure for certain to get there myself?
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