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I opened my Bible to read this morning and it was to first page of .. Daniel and was blessed and then read some of Hosea and marvelled at this:
Hosea 2
14 Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her.
15 And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt.
16 And it shall be at that day, saith the Lord, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
17 For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name.
18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.
Ishi indeed.
Hosea 2
14 Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her.
15 And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt.
16 And it shall be at that day, saith the Lord, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
17 For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name.
18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.
Ishi indeed.
We are to Keep the Law of Faith in Christ.
Some believe the Sabbath is no longer to be Kept each week.. and some believe that to Love GOD is to keep all His Commandments even the least and teach others this.
One must be born again of The Holy Holy Spirit which is subject to GOD's Law. Now what was written in stone is now written in our inwards by the Love of GOD through His Son. So while under Grace we are at liberty to Love GOD and each other and this Fulfill the Royal Law which is the 10 Commandments.. not in letter but in Spirit.
Now all things are done through Faith because the Just live by Faith.
So where the Messiah taught this:
Matthew 5
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
and this:
Matthew 22
34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
and also this:
Mark 2
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23And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. 24And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? 25And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? 27And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
and:
Matthew 12
And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: 10And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. 11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? 12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. 13Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other. 14Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him
a little out of sync and so much more to learn but above I share some of the The Lord's Testimony.
May no verse lead you to believe otherwise.. for no verse is given that means otherwise.. if you build on the Good Foundation you will stand in Grace, Love and Truth.
Some believe the Sabbath is no longer to be Kept each week.. and some believe that to Love GOD is to keep all His Commandments even the least and teach others this.
One must be born again of The Holy Holy Spirit which is subject to GOD's Law. Now what was written in stone is now written in our inwards by the Love of GOD through His Son. So while under Grace we are at liberty to Love GOD and each other and this Fulfill the Royal Law which is the 10 Commandments.. not in letter but in Spirit.
Now all things are done through Faith because the Just live by Faith.
So where the Messiah taught this:
Matthew 5
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
and this:
Matthew 22
34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
and also this:
Mark 2
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23And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. 24And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? 25And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? 27And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
and:
Matthew 12
And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: 10And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. 11And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? 12How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. 13Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other. 14Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him
a little out of sync and so much more to learn but above I share some of the The Lord's Testimony.
May no verse lead you to believe otherwise.. for no verse is given that means otherwise.. if you build on the Good Foundation you will stand in Grace, Love and Truth.
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Who says?
I never knew a Messianic Jew in South Africa that did not attend a "regular" church.
In Australia I have never met anyone I knew to be a Messianic Jew so cannot comment about the situation here, but, I can say this: I have never even heard of a Messianic Jew 'only' congregation.
Perhaps in other countries they exist but either way you are painting with a very broad brush...
I never knew a Messianic Jew in South Africa that did not attend a "regular" church.
In Australia I have never met anyone I knew to be a Messianic Jew so cannot comment about the situation here, but, I can say this: I have never even heard of a Messianic Jew 'only' congregation.
Perhaps in other countries they exist but either way you are painting with a very broad brush...
Here, in the USA, there is a movement that calls itself 'Hebrew Roots'. They are gentiles who claim to be believers, who put themselves under OT law without understanding the Law and think that God's promises to Israel have been transferred to them. They call themselves Messianic.
There are three associations of Messianic Jews that I am aware of: Friends of Israel, American board of Mission to the Jews, and Chosen People. All three groups keep the Sabbath and the appointed times in Messianic congregations; and encourage their members to affiliate with Bible believing churches on Sunday and Wednesday. To the best of my knowledge none of them advocate trying to live under Jewish Law. Another organization called Jews for Jesus attempts to evangelize non-practicing Jews. NONE of them are Legalists.
There are three associations of Messianic Jews that I am aware of: Friends of Israel, American board of Mission to the Jews, and Chosen People. All three groups keep the Sabbath and the appointed times in Messianic congregations; and encourage their members to affiliate with Bible believing churches on Sunday and Wednesday. To the best of my knowledge none of them advocate trying to live under Jewish Law. Another organization called Jews for Jesus attempts to evangelize non-practicing Jews. NONE of them are Legalists.
I also came across men of African descent dressing up as Israelites and saying they are GOD's people and basically trying to keep the law of Moses believing others failed but they will claim what is theirs.. I think like any if one does not seek GOD and His Righteousness you live out the desire of your blind heart and if you seek power and glory for yourself you will be deluded.
"1 Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"
the song of moses actually relates well to the book of revelation, and then theres this....
exodus 19 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel; 4Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. 5Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."
the thing is though, gentiles arent offered a different covenant from Jews, theres Just the same One Jesus set forth for all people. Jew, gentile, male female. black white, slave, free. One faith, no labels. Gentiles are not offered anything other than what Jesus offered the Jews, and then instructed the jews to go tell the world the same things he told them. thats the covenant whatever Jesus made relevant in His words. before Jesus, jews were seperate from other nations, when Jesus came it was for the entire world whoever would believe in Jesus.
like all of the epistles they are written and addressed to the church, it doesnt make any difference because One of the mysteries revealed is this
ephesians 3 "Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:"
paul explains this maybe 4 or five times. and so many prophecies of ot show it clearly, Gods Plan through Jesus was to reach out to the World, through His Son. salvation comes to the gentiles through the Jews. because Jesus is the reconciliation point He is the fulfillment of the Law, and is also establishing the Gospel of the Kingdom. Jesus was crucified by both Jew and Gentile, spit on by both Jew and gentile, beaten both by Jew and gentile. there is no difference anymore.
We have a problem concerning this same thing. I'm certainly not raciest. Maybe you, and others, can help us understand this conundrum.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/158075-negro-israelites-whata-s-true-precedence.html
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Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
That is an incorrect understanding.
We are NOT to keep the law of faith in Christ. We are to have faith in Christ, period.
The Law is Spiritual but we are carnal. Which means our carnal understanding of what we think the law means is NOT what it really means.
When we are CAUSED to walk in the spirit by abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ we see that the REAL law written on our hearts is Love, Joy, Peace. Gods REAL law is written on our hearts and minds, not a mere description of requirements.
It is by faith in Christ, AND ONLY by faith in Christ, that we walk in the spirit and that is what fulfills, establishes, the law.
It is NOT by simultaneously believing in Christ and working at the law in your own understanding. You can only do one or the other and you have to choose. You are all in or you are double minded.
There is no problem, to me, for a Christian who was born in a jewish family to continue to celebrate the jewish holidays with his/her jewish family. I think it is pretty awesome that they understand the gravity of what they celebrate.
There is a problem for gentiles who are Christians, to me, to attempt to emulate these jewish Christians because they are relating Christianity backwards towards carnality instead of the way it was intended to be related forwards to spirituality. And thus, becoming a stumbling block to real Christianity.
John 6:63 [FONT="]It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
[/FONT]Judaism and the jewish life is quite beautiful when you see it as a kind of first step towards Christ. Like a baby starting to learn the principles of their Father.
It is quite ugly, however, when it is a stumbling block to coming to Christ and learning about Grace and Truth.
This is the Christian understanding of what is required to keep the law;
Matthew 5:48 [FONT="]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
[/FONT]If you are not keeping it to this level of perfection then you are not keeping it. Therefore, when you attempt to and fail you fall under the curse of it.
You can't be under the curse and in Christ simultaneously. Its not possible.
If you are attempting to do both, work at the law and abide in Christ, then you don't understand what the law says and you don't understand what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us.
Too bad we can't give each other this spiritual understanding. Only Christ can give these gifts.
We are NOT to keep the law of faith in Christ. We are to have faith in Christ, period.
The Law is Spiritual but we are carnal. Which means our carnal understanding of what we think the law means is NOT what it really means.
When we are CAUSED to walk in the spirit by abiding in the Lord Jesus Christ we see that the REAL law written on our hearts is Love, Joy, Peace. Gods REAL law is written on our hearts and minds, not a mere description of requirements.
It is by faith in Christ, AND ONLY by faith in Christ, that we walk in the spirit and that is what fulfills, establishes, the law.
It is NOT by simultaneously believing in Christ and working at the law in your own understanding. You can only do one or the other and you have to choose. You are all in or you are double minded.
There is no problem, to me, for a Christian who was born in a jewish family to continue to celebrate the jewish holidays with his/her jewish family. I think it is pretty awesome that they understand the gravity of what they celebrate.
There is a problem for gentiles who are Christians, to me, to attempt to emulate these jewish Christians because they are relating Christianity backwards towards carnality instead of the way it was intended to be related forwards to spirituality. And thus, becoming a stumbling block to real Christianity.
John 6:63 [FONT="]It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
[/FONT]Judaism and the jewish life is quite beautiful when you see it as a kind of first step towards Christ. Like a baby starting to learn the principles of their Father.
It is quite ugly, however, when it is a stumbling block to coming to Christ and learning about Grace and Truth.
This is the Christian understanding of what is required to keep the law;
Matthew 5:48 [FONT="]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
[/FONT]If you are not keeping it to this level of perfection then you are not keeping it. Therefore, when you attempt to and fail you fall under the curse of it.
You can't be under the curse and in Christ simultaneously. Its not possible.
If you are attempting to do both, work at the law and abide in Christ, then you don't understand what the law says and you don't understand what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us.
Too bad we can't give each other this spiritual understanding. Only Christ can give these gifts.