SETTING THE SCENE FOR THE ANTICHRIST

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I don't know that there is any organization of Satan worshipers who are planning together to create a throne for him. I know there is a spirit of anti-Christ & that these people are deceived, thinking they have knowledge. I know that they hate the truth & righteousness & it is plainly seen. The anti-Christ, himself, will enter the world & be able to control everything through government. People today want government to take care of them. Men & women are looking to elect leaders & support tyrants who will distribute food & medicine etc. That has nothing to do with secret organizations. Just like natural decay & corruption there is spiritual decay & corruption of the consciences of the masses. As it was in the days of Noah... so it is today, men are becoming ever more self centered - the opposite of love & the the character of sin.
All the scientific discoveries that have happened since the computer chip was invented that now make it possible to be tracked & have cameras on every intersection or have a chip under your skin, these things were not invented with the anti-Christ in mind. They make prophecy that much more amazing & enthralling. That disconnected people in different parts of the world will all play a part in fulfilling ancient words.
I think it no different from Salmon marrying Rahab the former harlot or his son marrying the Moabitess which ends in the fulfillment of the prophetic coming of Jesus. God plans & foretells the future not men or satan. The men who get together to push for a new world order where there is one leader uniting the world & ending war, famine etc. are deceived not satanist. Just like the the High Priest said that it was necessary for Jesus to die to save all Israel was led by the Spirit to say what he said & the bible says his words were prophetic thereby , but he did not know the spiritual meaning but he was thinking of natural things - their seat of power & some semblance of self government .
 
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Since this thread is pretty much shot to smitherenes, I am going to ask some questions. To those who say there is no Antichrist for these last days, as well as those that believe the tribulation has already taken place, I want to know the following, with each one backed up with Scripture.
1. Where are we currently in prophecy?
2. Is the book of Revelation totally fulfilled? If not, what's left?
3. If the tribulation is already finished, what are we still doing here?
4. If there is no rapture, when do the saints leave?
5. To those that are absolutely against this thread............. why is it that some of you can mock, ridicule, and joke with the defenders of the thread, yet over 95% of the time no Scripture is ever listed to prove your point? Are we just supposed to believe you because there are more of you?

I would only suggest that before you answer, pray first. I am so worn out with this whole charade of arguments that shows no humility, no compassion, no love, and no long-suffering. Those that toy with the feelings of Christians in their theology should fear and tremble before God, because no matter how messed up any of us are with our doctrine, we are still His little ones.

Ah, dont feel bad most of my threads bombed:cool:

1: We are in the New Covenant Age. Between the First and Second Advent of Christ Jesus.

2: No! 1 Cor 15: [SUP]20 [/SUP]But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. [SUP]24 then comes the end[/SUP], when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For “He has put all things under His feet.”[SUP][a][/SUP] But when He says “all things are put under Him,it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

​3-4. Rev. 20: 7b
Satan will be released from his prison [SUP]8 [/SUP]and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. [SUP]9 [/SUP]They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[SUP][b][/SUP] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Refer above 1 cor 15 plus: [SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. [SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—[SUP]52 [/SUP]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”[SUP][g][/SUP][SUP]55 [/SUP]“O Death, where is your sting?[SUP][h][/SUP]
O Hades, where is your victory?”[SUP][i][/SUP]

[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. [SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

2Peter 3:

2 Peter 3:10-13


The Day of the Lord

[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, [SUP]12 [/SUP]looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?[SUP]13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Rev 21 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I, John,[SUP][a][/SUP] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

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oh well learn from this and narrow down your topic.


To sum it up we will be here till this age is over. At the end satan will be loosed and
things will hit the fan for a short time before Jesus comes back, then Judgement, then the eternal state.

 
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millions and millions of bucks have been made off the book of revelation.

yet almost none of it lines up with the words of Jesus or the apostles

or even the OT for that matter.
 
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Since this thread is pretty much shot to smitherenes, I am going to ask some questions. To those who say there is no Antichrist for these last days, as well as those that believe the tribulation has already taken place, I want to know the following, with each one backed up with Scripture.
1. Where are we currently in prophecy?
2. Is the book of Revelation totally fulfilled? If not, what's left?
3. If the tribulation is already finished, what are we still doing here?
4. If there is no rapture, when do the saints leave?
5. To those that are absolutely against this thread............. why is it that some of you can mock, ridicule, and joke with the defenders of the thread, yet over 95% of the time no Scripture is ever listed to prove your point? Are we just supposed to believe you because there are more of you?

I would only suggest that before you answer, pray first. I am so worn out with this whole charade of arguments that shows no humility, no compassion, no love, and no long-suffering. Those that toy with the feelings of Christians in their theology should fear and tremble before God, because no matter how messed up any of us are with our doctrine, we are still His little ones.
1. i suspect that we are currently between the sixth and seventh seal... for scriptural support compare revelation 6:1-2 with the reign of constantine the great...compare revelation 6:3-4 with the results of muhammad's teachings...compare revelation 6:5-6 with the great famine of 1315...compare revelation 6:7-8 with the bubonic plague or 'black death'...compare revelation 6:9-11 with the roman inquisition...and compare revelation 6:12-17 with the series of volcanic eruptions beginning in 1812 and culminating with the eruption of mount tambora in 1815...all of which resulted in a darkening of the sun and reddening of the moon as well as climate changes that produced a 'year without a summer' in 1816...

i am most tentative about the sixth seal...but i am pretty confident about the other five...

the seventh seal does not seem to have happened yet...because i cannot think of an event that corresponds with silence in heaven...and anyway it seems to lead directly into the beginning of the trumpets which have not happened yet either...

from another one of revelation's perspectives i think we are between the second and third angel messages... for scriptural support compare revelation 14:6-7 with the spirit of the reformation...and compare revelation 14:8 with the fall of papal rome in 1870... the third angel's message in revelation 14:9-12 does not seem to have been fulfilled yet since the nature mark of the beast does not seem to have been fully revealed...

finally we have also completed the vision in revelation 12...in fact that vision was a summary of salvation history from the birth of jesus until john's time...so it was already completed in john's time...

we may also be partway through the millennium if not already done with it...but i am not as sure about that...

2. i think what is left are the seventh seal...the seven trumpets and seven bowls of wrath...the two witnesses...the full revealing of the beast and its mark...the third angel message...the end of the tribulation...the rapture at the second coming of jesus and the wedding supper of the lamb...

the millennium may not have ended yet either but like i said i am not as sure about the millennium...

3. i don't think that the tribulation is already finished...so this question does not apply to me... it may have already started but i definitely don't think it has finished already...

4. there is a rapture at the second coming of jesus...see 1 thessalonians 4:16-17 and also compare with the shout in the parable of the ten virgins and the wedding supper of the lamb described in revelation... it is also beneficial to study ancient hebrew wedding customs which are alluded to several times in this context...

5. much of the time the relevant scriptures have already been posted...all that remains is to determine what they all mean...
 
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its true that many can not or even should not spend any time on world events.
you yourself said you spent time in new age etc before becoming a christian - this would make you qualified to minister to; or witness about that movement.
the same is true for all of us, according to our vocations; education; interests and experiences.
if we had no former-mormons willing to minister to mormons, we'd be worse off.

i multitask.
most of us do....
this is off topic but i just wanted to clarify that i was not actually a new ager...i studied the movement and its beliefs but i did not actually participate...i was never very impressed so i moved on to examine another religion instead...
 
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The prophetic scriptures say nothing about a coming "Antichrist". It's a fable, and people are more inclined to believe fables than to believe the truth.
 
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3. i don't think that the tribulation is already finished...so this question does not apply to me... it may have already started but i definitely don't think it has finished already...

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You will know were in great tribulation as you won’t be able to buy or sell and you will have to bow to the image or be killed.

It will be the worst it has ever been and if Jesus did not comeand shorten those days no flesh would be saved

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened
 
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The prophetic scriptures say nothing about a coming "Antichrist". It's a fable, and people are more inclined to believe fables than to believe the truth.
Yes prophetic scriptures says an antichrist shall come.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.


You have ten kings in the end in Rv17 giving the power to the beast and making war with the lamb.


You have another king that comes out of ten kings making war with the saints and overcoming


Dan7:8I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.


Dan7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Not a fable or a myth but scripture
 
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Yes prophetic scriptures says an antichrist shall come.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.


You have ten kings in the end in Rv17 giving the power to the beast and making war with the lamb.


You have another king that comes out of ten kings making war with the saints and overcoming


Dan7:8I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.


Dan7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Not a fable or a myth but scripture
Scriptures filled with symbols, and that must be interpreted correctly.
 
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Yep, and your interpretation makes Gods word of non-effect
But, all the scriptures agree with me!
Those scriptures say that God's people are in a state of Apostasy in the end-times....that they've fallen away from the truth.
 
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But, all the scriptures agree with me!
Those scriptures say that God's people are in a state of Apostasy in the end-times....that they've fallen away from the truth.
What scriptures are they that agree with you?

And what scriptures are those that agree with you that there is no antichrist?

Or are you just making it up?
 
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What scriptures are they that agree with you?

And what scriptures are those that agree with you that there is no antichrist?

Or are you just making it up?
That's the problem! There are no scriptures in Daniel or Revelation or 2nd Thessalonians 2 that talks about a coming Antichrist.

It's a man-made teaching.

The "antichrists" of 1st and 2nd John have no corralation whatsoever to the man of sin; son of perdition in the prophetic scriptures.
 
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That's the problem! There are no scriptures in Daniel or Revelation or 2nd Thessalonians 2 that talks about a coming Antichrist.

It's a man-made teaching.

The "antichrists" of 1st and 2nd John have no corralation whatsoever to the man of sin; son of perdition in the prophetic scriptures.
Yes there is, in Revelation you have someone killing all that don’t take the mark and bow the his image, got to be antichrist.

You have in Revelation in the end, you have ten antichrist kings giving their power and strength to the beast and are of one mind, and make war with the lamb.

You have in Daniel the little horn a king that comes out of the ten kings and makes war with the saints in the last days.

So your statement is false
 
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Yes there is, in Revelation you have someone killing all that don’t take the mark and bow the his image, got to be antichrist.

You have in Revelation in the end, you have ten antichrist kings giving their power and strength to the beast and are of one mind, and make war with the lamb.



You have in Daniel the little horn a king that comes out of the ten kings and makes war with the saints in the last days.

So your statement is false
Nope, the little horn represents America.
The ten kings represents the European Americans.

As for Revelation 13 that you referenced:

That other beast in verse 11, represents Martin Luther King, leader of the Civil Rights Movement.

It was he who caused all white Americans; the small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to accept black Americans.
And it was he who taught his people to "kill" ie to sue and take away the livelihood of white Americans who discrimminates against them. (verse 15)
 
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Nope, the little horn represents America.
The ten kings represents the European Americans.

As for Revelation 13 that you referenced:

That other beast in verse 11, represents Martin Luther King, leader of the Civil Rights Movement.

It was he who caused all white Americans; the small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to accept black Americans.
And it was he who taught his people to "kill" ie to sue and take away the livelihood of white Americans who discrimminates against them. (verse 15)

Your way out in left field. Where in the Bible is that clearly stated ?

How about these Scriptures that we can see & read from the Bible: > ( please do not respond if you have not bothered to take the time to look up the scriptures; that I noted and referenced, within this post . )


Revelation 13:


11 And I beheld another beast ( this would be the 2nd, a religious entity ) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb,- ( Do you know who the lamb is time after time in the Bible ? Read if you don't know -Revelation 13:8 -He looked like Christ ) and he spake as a dragon. -( Who is the dragon ? It is Not America . Read ->Revelation 12:9) What does he comes to do in Rev 12:9 ?) Read it.


12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. ( He made that world political system work , he healed it. Why do I say it is a world system ? Because it has 10 kings of 7 dominions of the earth. Simple. Stop adding things like Marten Luther king and the civil rights movement , etc. to God;s word. its is not written. Read what is written.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire ( Fire: in the Greek, Biblical manuscript that Revelation was translated from, means " Lightning" ) come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,( Do you know what , in the sight of means ? It means visibly in front of then, in their sight, so that they are able to see it with their own eyes.
And why is he performing these "Miracles " that we Just read ???

14 And """""""deceiveth them that dwell on the earth"""""""""- """"by the means of those miracles """"( DECEIVETH THEM THAT R ON THE EARTH ) which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

That they should all make it work. Because here he will be, performing Miracles and, he will make it work, Until the Truth Christ returns.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Pretty simple. A child can read this and follow the subject matter in The Revelation of Christ; it in the simplicity Christ taught . Since Antichrist, ( which means in the Greek: Instead of Christ-because he comes first as Christ and Paul taught, 2Thess 2: )
In as much as he is going to be kicked from heaven to this earth to deceive the people on the earth, I don't think this is a killing of the body. Why ? Because God commanded him he could kill NO ONE-(Revelation 9:4). He will disobey that order from God ,and Kill the two witnesses only.-> (Revelation 11:3-13 )<---The beast; the 2nd one, that overcomes the those two, in Rev 9:7, is Satan, documentation--> "(Revelation 20 :1-3 )" The same one cast to the earth to deceive the world>( Rev 12:9 )


2 Thessalonians 2 (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; ( there has only ever been one son of God who's soul was sentenced to Perish, that is Satan ; who is a super natural cherub, that God created-> Read>( Ezekiel 28:16, 18 )

This word Perdition ,is the base of Satan's name, it is his name:


Greek
apollumi <-- base
ap-ol'-loo-mee

from apo - apo 575 and the base of oleqroV - olethros 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish. <---( base of Satan's name )
Revelation 9:11 (KJV)

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Apollyon

Apolluwn
Apolluon
ap-ol-loo'-ohn


active participle of apollumi -~ base of son of Perdition~ !!!-> apollumi 622; a destroyer (i.e. Satan ) :--Apollyon.

Perish means to die, Because he will.



This is so simple to read a 10 year old can understand this and not add in all the junk of man muddying the water.

The dead you read of in Revelation, are them that end up being deceived into worshiping this one claiming to be God (2 thess 2: ) They are dead spiritually>>>(Revelation 20:5 )<-- this says after Christ returns and that Lord's day or thousand years begins ,those that are dead-spiritually to the truth-that worshiped Satan as falsechrist ) Lived not until they were taught by Christ for that thousand year time. Those Christians that where not deceived and could not buy or sell, during that time, where the ones that took part in the first resurrection->( Revelation 20:6).

Lets continue in Paul's letter :

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

If you did not know, the temple of God is giving you a geographical location as to where he will set up. That means Jerusalem. .

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? ( Have you not read ? Paul spoke to them about this, and yet they still cant seem to listen)



Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Do you think God is limited by time. When God told the prophets of the coming of Messiah in the old testament. was it for their time that he would show ? Or later ?

When God says Antichrist Shall, be cast to this earth in the last days, Just 5 months before Christ return,->(Revelation 9:1-6 ) He means it... It was shortened to five months by Christ in (MARK 13:20). Christ shortened it from, Three and a half years ( Revelation 13:5) The equivalent of 42 months. But now , he only has five months, a short time, to do what it is God would have him do ( Revelation 12:12).

Mark 13 :
21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:

22 For false Christs
and false prophets-( even now are there many Antichrist) shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

26 And then (and only then) shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Matthew 24:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

You think some man in some past caused the Greatest Tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world ( Gen 1:1) to this time, nor EVER SHALL BE ??????? NO way no way. No flesh man is going to cause this. This will be just as Christ and God stated, God will use the supernatural cherub, that is Satan, to accomplish that. And Christ, when He returns to correct the deception . No little tin horned Roman general caused that. It has not happened yet, but it shall. as Christ taught. You can either listen to Him or not. Your choice.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.


For false Christ shall rise. to deceive this world at a time appointed by God, not man. The Generation will last as long as God wants it to. The culmination will be with the events The Bible outlined , that we just read.

I would read all of Paul's 2nd letter. All of Christ teachings in Matthew Mark Luke and John. All of Christ teachings from His own lips in Revelation. Take Christ teachings or leave it. I would ask everyone document what they say as I have from God's word, not mans works.

Some of my notes here too, these are not too organized and some typos, but read if you like

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57270-notes-i-wrote-love.html
 
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A note to add to my post just below \/: The " falling "away" That Paul mentions in 2nd Thess 2: , in the Greek means : A mass, falling way from ones professed faith, in an instant. because of this one showing up in 2 thess 2:4. This is not difficult . Man likes, to make things complicated though . Christ teachings are simple a child can understand it. Have a good day all. \/
 
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Since this thread is pretty much shot to smitherenes, I am going to ask some questions. To those who say there is no Antichrist for these last days, as well as those that believe the tribulation has already taken place, I want to know the following, with each one backed up with Scripture.
1. Where are we currently in prophecy?
2. Is the book of Revelation totally fulfilled? If not, what's left?
3. If the tribulation is already finished, what are we still doing here?
4. If there is no rapture, when do the saints leave?
5. To those that are absolutely against this thread............. why is it that some of you can mock, ridicule, and joke with the defenders of the thread, yet over 95% of the time no Scripture is ever listed to prove your point? Are we just supposed to believe you because there are more of you?

I would only suggest that before you answer, pray first. I am so worn out with this whole charade of arguments that shows no humility, no compassion, no love, and no long-suffering. Those that toy with the feelings of Christians in their theology should fear and tremble before God, because no matter how messed up any of us are with our doctrine, we are still His little ones.
>>>Where are we currently in prophecy?<<<

I've studied the prophetic scriptures for some forty years, and based on those scriptures I'm positively convinced that God chose to use America and events that have transpired between black and white Americans, to serse as the sign and timeline for the return of Christ.
Speaking of the black race, ie the black man upon America, God said in Daniel 12:7, "and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, ie the Christian people, all these things shall be finished."

That scripture was completely fulfilled with the election of Barack Obama as President. Except for the great tribulation that's coming upon America, there are no other prophecies left to be fulfilled in order for Christ to return to earth.

>>>Is the book of Revelation totally fulfilled? If not, what's left?<<<

Except for the great tribulation I believe all has been fulfilled.

>>>If the tribulation is already finished, what are we still doing here?<<<

America is yet to experience the time of trouble or great tribulation spoken of in the scriptures. But it's coming, and when it comes we'll all recognize it. (Dan.12:1-Rev.19:2)

>>>If there is no rapture, when do the saints leave?<<<

The saints will leave when Christ returns, which will be after America's great tribulation and judgement. (Matt. 24:29 - Revelation 19:2)



 
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Is it any wonder alot of believers dont want to study eschatology:p
 
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Your way out in left field. Where in the Bible is that clearly stated ?

How about these Scriptures that we can see & read from the Bible: > ( please do not respond if you have not bothered to take the time to look up the scriptures; that I noted and referenced, within this post . )


Revelation 13:


11 And I beheld another beast ( this would be the 2nd, a religious entity ) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb,- ( Do you know who the lamb is time after time in the Bible ? Read if you don't know -Revelation 13:8 -He looked like Christ ) and he spake as a dragon. -( Who is the dragon ? It is Not America . Read ->Revelation 12:9) What does he comes to do in Rev 12:9 ?) Read it.
Verse 11 of Revelation 13, and the verses following, describes MLK to a t.
You need to step aside from fables and put on your spiritual descernment hat.


12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
MLK did that! He's the one who caused America and present-day white Americans to worship, ie to celebrate African Americans and their black history.


13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire ( Fire: in the Greek, Biblical manuscript that Revelation was translated from, means " Lightning" ) come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,( Do you know what , in the sight of means ? It means visibly in front of then, in their sight, so that they are able to see it with their own eyes.
And why is he performing these "Miracles " that we Just read ???
MLK did that! He gave fiery speeches and flung luminous words into the face of white Americans, and the television news networks carried it.


14 And """""""deceiveth them that dwell on the earth"""""""""- """"by the means of those miracles """"( DECEIVETH THEM THAT R ON THE EARTH ) which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
MLK did that as well. He deceived white Americans into creating an image of African Americans...an image different from that held by their white ancestors before them.


15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
King caused that to come to pass as well. He taught his people to sue and to take away the livelihood (to kill) white Americans who discrimminate against them.


Pretty simple. A child can read this and follow the subject matter in The Revelation of Christ; it in the simplicity Christ taught .
Yes they can. If a child knows the history of African Americans and of Martin Luther King, then he or she can match historical events involving African Americans, to every prophetic scripture involving the man of lawlessness.


Since Antichrist, ( which means in the Greek: Instead of Christ-because he comes first as Christ and Paul taught, 2Thess 2: )
In as much as he is going to be kicked from heaven to this earth to deceive the people on the earth,
In your own words please explain how that's going to happen? Will he be kicked out of heaven as a full grown man?, or will some woman on earth give birth to him?What?

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

If you did not know, the temple of God is giving you a geographical location as to where he will set up. That means Jerusalem. .
In this case the temple of God doesn't mean a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, it means the church.


Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
That pretty well describes this present generation. The false teachers of this day and age have deceived practically all Christians into believing that "Antichrist" fable, and all the fables that go with it.


Matthew 24:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

You think some man in some past caused the Greatest Tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world ( Gen 1:1) to this time, nor EVER SHALL BE ??????? NO way no way. No flesh man is going to cause this.
Didn't say he would.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
What does that verse mean to you? Just curious.