SETTING THE SCENE FOR THE ANTICHRIST
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The major question is: how would you do it, if you didn't believe these groups were responsible for it? That's what this thread is about. It's to help those who are close minded to the issue to open their eyes. It is not about self-proclaimed heavyweight theologians arguing their cause.
Peter, if you want to argue on the Scriptures concerning the Antichrist, fine. But do it someplace else. Understand that biblical arguments are not welcome in this thread. Period. There already plenty of threads available to argue in. Take your pick....... but if you want to argue, take a walk!
The major question is: how would you do it, if you didn't believe these groups were responsible for it? That's what this thread is about. It's to help those who are close minded to the issue to open their eyes. It is not about self-proclaimed heavyweight theologians arguing their cause.
Peter, if you want to argue on the Scriptures concerning the Antichrist, fine. But do it someplace else. Understand that biblical arguments are not welcome in this thread. Period. There already plenty of threads available to argue in. Take your pick....... but if you want to argue, take a walk!
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Nobody is doing any joking and All you asked is that no one post any jokes about it.
This is not arguing this is debating thrashing thing out. For the sake of ourselves and the sake others that are weaker in the word
See, we have armor, you know the sword of the spirit, and the shield of faith, the breastplate of righteousness and so no.
So offcourse it looks like a war a battle, and it looks like a bit of a battle ground and that’s what its supposed to look like.
Maybe you are not used to Christians that have not lost their salt and think this is not normal
As I said If you have any complaints press the complaints button .
This is not arguing this is debating thrashing thing out. For the sake of ourselves and the sake others that are weaker in the word
See, we have armor, you know the sword of the spirit, and the shield of faith, the breastplate of righteousness and so no.
So offcourse it looks like a war a battle, and it looks like a bit of a battle ground and that’s what its supposed to look like.
Maybe you are not used to Christians that have not lost their salt and think this is not normal
As I said If you have any complaints press the complaints button .
One only needs to read first and second Corinthians and Galatians to see the spiritual warfare within the church. I never see the apostle Paul acting the way you are. His demeanor was that of love, grace, mercy, and of course, long-suffering. If you are in a spiritual battle in this thread, you might want to have a look at which side you're on.
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you have yet to show any connection between the two from scripture...all you have provided so far is hand waving arguments that amount to 'they are both bad guys so they -must- be the same thing!'
and like i said before...antichrist has a specific definition...antichrists deny that jesus is the christ...or they deny that jesus christ came in the flesh...
the man of sin is not described as doing either of those in second thessalonians...so to claim that they are one in the same is pure speculation...
furthermore...paul never says that the man of sin will have the power to kill or punish anyone...that is also just speculation without scriptural support...
and like i said before...antichrist has a specific definition...antichrists deny that jesus is the christ...or they deny that jesus christ came in the flesh...
the man of sin is not described as doing either of those in second thessalonians...so to claim that they are one in the same is pure speculation...
furthermore...paul never says that the man of sin will have the power to kill or punish anyone...that is also just speculation without scriptural support...
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*cough*
that would be a good tactic.
come on Rachel.
nobody says they are anything other than what they are - the world richest families doing everything they can (including sending out their halfwit cousins to invent Evolution) to maintain their hegemony while keeping the foolish masses distracted with bread and circuses.
they write their own histories, they have recorded their 10, 50 and 100 year plans.
coincidentally those plans are what we now live in.
fortunately, God has chosen the weak and foolish things of the world to confound the bad guys.
i know you don't believe there are bad guys, though
leetle teeny bit of reading history placing the stuff that went down the memory hole back in place and presto - bad guys with pathetic psychopathic plans right there for anyone to see.
that would be a good tactic.
come on Rachel.
nobody says they are anything other than what they are - the world richest families doing everything they can (including sending out their halfwit cousins to invent Evolution) to maintain their hegemony while keeping the foolish masses distracted with bread and circuses.
they write their own histories, they have recorded their 10, 50 and 100 year plans.
coincidentally those plans are what we now live in.
fortunately, God has chosen the weak and foolish things of the world to confound the bad guys.
i know you don't believe there are bad guys, though
leetle teeny bit of reading history placing the stuff that went down the memory hole back in place and presto - bad guys with pathetic psychopathic plans right there for anyone to see.
the error is in claiming that end time scriptures actually prove or prophesy any such thing...
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Let’s talk about Jesus and Paul
The way I am acting you say.
Did I make a whip and whip them out of the temple.
Did I call them child of the devil.
Did I call them enemy of all righteousness.
Did I say get behind me satan
Did I say your farther was the devil
Did I say you are stiff-necked
Did I say you hypocrites
Did I say you proselytes a twofold more the child of hell than yourself.
No, my behaviour has been well within the boundaries.
You are not used to Christians that have not lost their salt, and it your behaviour that should be called into question
The way I am acting you say.
Did I make a whip and whip them out of the temple.
Did I call them child of the devil.
Did I call them enemy of all righteousness.
Did I say get behind me satan
Did I say your farther was the devil
Did I say you are stiff-necked
Did I say you hypocrites
Did I say you proselytes a twofold more the child of hell than yourself.
No, my behaviour has been well within the boundaries.
You are not used to Christians that have not lost their salt, and it your behaviour that should be called into question
its true that many can not or even should not spend any time on world events.
you yourself said you spent time in new age etc before becoming a christian - this would make you qualified to minister to; or witness about that movement.
the same is true for all of us, according to our vocations; education; interests and experiences.
if we had no former-mormons willing to minister to mormons, we'd be worse off.
i multitask.
most of us do....
you yourself said you spent time in new age etc before becoming a christian - this would make you qualified to minister to; or witness about that movement.
the same is true for all of us, according to our vocations; education; interests and experiences.
if we had no former-mormons willing to minister to mormons, we'd be worse off.
i multitask.
most of us do....
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Ten kings give the power and strength to the beast and are of one mind, and make war with the lamb in Rv17
So according to you they are not antichrist, because it doesn’t say they deny that jesus is the christ.
Another king in Daniel comes out of ten kings and makes war with the saints and prevailed against them
So according to you he is not antichrist, because it doesn’t say they deny that jesus is the christ.
Johns interpretation of an antichrist is not the only way to spot an antichrist.
The man of sin 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Is Not a antichrist??? What is he a friend of jesus?
The devil is cast out to the earth Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
The devil is cast out into the earth and he needs a body, and he has a big head just like the man of sin
So according to you they are not antichrist, because it doesn’t say they deny that jesus is the christ.
Another king in Daniel comes out of ten kings and makes war with the saints and prevailed against them
So according to you he is not antichrist, because it doesn’t say they deny that jesus is the christ.
Johns interpretation of an antichrist is not the only way to spot an antichrist.
The man of sin 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Is Not a antichrist??? What is he a friend of jesus?
The devil is cast out to the earth Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
The devil is cast out into the earth and he needs a body, and he has a big head just like the man of sin
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You have the devil being cast out into the earth coming with great wrath for a short time.
you have a man of sin bigger that god.
You have john saying an Antichrist shall come.
You have Jesus saying the prince of this world cometh.
You have Jesus saying I come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not, if one comes in his own name him you will reserve.
You have someone killing all, if they don’t worship his image
You have a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies
You have someone doing mighty miracles to deceive the whole world.
You have ten kings in the end giving the power to the beast and making war with the lamb.
You have another king that comes out of ten kings making war with the saints and overcoming them.
Some speculation, but we build doctrine and call it sound on a lot less than that, including you.
NOW show me the scripture to tell your story, or are you just going to interpret and speculate on the scriptures that I use to tell my story.
you have a man of sin bigger that god.
You have john saying an Antichrist shall come.
You have Jesus saying the prince of this world cometh.
You have Jesus saying I come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not, if one comes in his own name him you will reserve.
You have someone killing all, if they don’t worship his image
You have a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies
You have someone doing mighty miracles to deceive the whole world.
You have ten kings in the end giving the power to the beast and making war with the lamb.
You have another king that comes out of ten kings making war with the saints and overcoming them.
Some speculation, but we build doctrine and call it sound on a lot less than that, including you.
NOW show me the scripture to tell your story, or are you just going to interpret and speculate on the scriptures that I use to tell my story.
Since this thread is pretty much shot to smitherenes, I am going to ask some questions. To those who say there is no Antichrist for these last days, as well as those that believe the tribulation has already taken place, I want to know the following, with each one backed up with Scripture.
1. Where are we currently in prophecy?
2. Is the book of Revelation totally fulfilled? If not, what's left?
3. If the tribulation is already finished, what are we still doing here?
4. If there is no rapture, when do the saints leave?
5. To those that are absolutely against this thread............. why is it that some of you can mock, ridicule, and joke with the defenders of the thread, yet over 95% of the time no Scripture is ever listed to prove your point? Are we just supposed to believe you because there are more of you?
I would only suggest that before you answer, pray first. I am so worn out with this whole charade of arguments that shows no humility, no compassion, no love, and no long-suffering. Those that toy with the feelings of Christians in their theology should fear and tremble before God, because no matter how messed up any of us are with our doctrine, we are still His little ones.
1. Where are we currently in prophecy?
2. Is the book of Revelation totally fulfilled? If not, what's left?
3. If the tribulation is already finished, what are we still doing here?
4. If there is no rapture, when do the saints leave?
5. To those that are absolutely against this thread............. why is it that some of you can mock, ridicule, and joke with the defenders of the thread, yet over 95% of the time no Scripture is ever listed to prove your point? Are we just supposed to believe you because there are more of you?
I would only suggest that before you answer, pray first. I am so worn out with this whole charade of arguments that shows no humility, no compassion, no love, and no long-suffering. Those that toy with the feelings of Christians in their theology should fear and tremble before God, because no matter how messed up any of us are with our doctrine, we are still His little ones.