Seventh-day Adventists

[tourist]

They have lied to you then.

It definately is a salvation issue to them. here is how they do it if you ask them if sabbath keeping is a requirement to salvation:

"Oh no (smile) we are saved by grace through faith "
-"Oh ok, thats what I believe too"
-"But if you dont keep God's commandments, are you really, TRULY saved? And we know that the sabbath is one of God's commandments. And God's word is forever"

So it all comes down to keeping the sabbath, you wont make it into heaven if you dont keep the sabbath, you will lose your salvation if you keep doing it.

Perhaps so but one must pray for discernment to separate the wheat from the chaff. We have all been lied to by what others have said in regards to all truth in scripture but the lie that was told was not intentional but based on what their stage of spiritual growth was at the time.

A lot of members on this site bash different types of denominations, especially Catholic and SDA but are unwilling to state publicly what their own church affiliation is, if any.

I have been quite open in numerous posts in discussing what churches I have attended, perceived flaws in such churches along with that which I believe to spiritually sound. It would be most refreshing to have other members state what church they attend, and what practices and doctrines they may agree or disagree with. Of course, please be advised that if a member choses to discuss openly about what church they attend they will certainly leave themselves vulnerable to attack and ridicule.

As I have stated previously, more than once, I don't believe that there is a single church that is spiritually sound in all aspects of their practice and doctrine. We are all human after all working out our salvation in fear and trembling as stated by Paul in scripture. In the bible in the first chapter of the book of Isaiah God says, "Come now, and let us reason together...line upon line, precept upon precept. A little here, a little there."

Based on my 4 1/2 years as a member of this site I would say that there is very little of that in the BDF. For the part I may have played in sowing seeds of discord I humbly apologize and with the grace of God strive to do better in the future.

 

[Hevosmies]

Perhaps so but one must pray for discernment to separate the wheat from the chaff. We have all been lied to by what others have said in regards to all truth in scripture but the lie that was told was not intentional but based on what their stage of spiritual growth was at the time.

A lot of members on this site bash different types of denominations, especially Catholic and SDA but are unwilling to state publicly what their own church affiliation is, if any.

I have been quite open in numerous posts in discussing what churches I have attended, perceived flaws in such churches along with that which I believe to spiritually sound. It would be most refreshing to have other members state what church they attend, and what practices and doctrines they may agree or disagree with. Of course, please be advised that if a member choses to discuss openly about what church they attend they will certainly leave themselves vulnerable to attack and ridicule.

As I have stated previously, more than once, I don't believe that there is a single church that is spiritually sound in all aspects of their practice and doctrine. We are all human after all working out our salvation in fear and trembling as stated by Paul in scripture. In the bible in the first chapter of the book of Isaiah God says, "Come now, and let us reason together...line upon line, precept upon precept. A little here, a little there."

Based on my 4 1/2 years as a member of this site I would say that there is very little of that in the BDF. For the part I may have played in sowing seeds of discord I humbly apologize and with the grace of God strive to do better in the future.

There is a difference between disagreeing on something like eschatology and disgreeing on the GOSPEL.

Big difference. One doens't really matter, the second DOES matter.

I can state my "affiliation". I am reformed but i hang around pentecostals all day, go figure!

 

[preacher4truth]

Regarding the SDA and Ellen White even she told her own church not to go by what she has stated as far as beliefs but to follow scripture.

Please provide documentation for the above as it goes completely against her claiming to be a prophet.

You take comfort in purgatory, a doctrine that denies the full salvation provided for in Christ? When are you going to become a purely biblical believer?

 

[Adstar]

Based on a lifetime of experience in attending many denominations of Christian churches I have come to the conclusion that there is not a single one that is spiritually perfect in all doctrine and practices. I grew up in the Catholic faith. Yes, there are official teachings but in any given church a lot of the doctrine is simply ignored by the officiating priest and other more pertinent matters are addressed. Regarding the SDA and Ellen White even she told her own church not to go by what she has stated as far as beliefs but to follow scripture. Actually, I find the concept of purgatory comforting but don't believe that it is strictly spiritually sound. I believe that the purpose of purgatory, if such a state even exists is for the person to come to terms of who they are and what they are about in relation to their personal relationship with Jesus Christ. It is not about suffering at all. I don't believe that we will enter eternity with all of our memories simply blotted out but will reason together with God in the reconciliation process.

The only catholics are catholics who believe in all the official teachings of the catholic church without resistence...

If you do not believe in all the official teaching of the catholic church then you are not a true catholic...

If you are not able to affirm the teachings of the church you belong to then your conscience before God should move you to leave that church.. Staying in a church and attending it's services each week makes a public statement to the larger community that you believe and support the teachings of that church.. If one is declaring that things like correct day sabbath keeping and purgatory are truth, while in truth you do not actually believe them to be true. Then one is bearing false witness to Gods Gospel..

As for your comments on purgatory.. As a former catholic myself we where greatly encouraged to pray for our loved ones who had died so that their time in purgatory would be lessened.. If purgatory was a place of comfort without discomfort then we would never have been told to pray that our loved ones would be released from purgatory ASAP..

We are reconciled to God the moment we believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured to save us..

 

[mailmandan]

You take comfort in purgatory, a doctrine that denies the full salvation provided for in Christ? When are you going to become a purely biblical believer?

I was raised in the Roman Catholic church and purgatory is a distorted view on the justice of God and a disgraceful fabrication that robs Jesus Christ of His glory. He alone satisfied divine justice, once and for all, through His finished work of redemption. (Romans 3:24-28) Purgatory denies the sufficiency of Christ's atonement for sin on the cross. It's one of Satan's many lies which keeps Catholics from knowing and trusting in the sufficiency of Jesus Christ alone.

 

[tourist]

Brother Anderson was a member of the SDA Church for 33 years. He was taught that the SDA Church was the "remnant church" and was the one church entrusted with the "truth" for the last days. To his utter astonishment and amazement, when he began studying the Bible instead of Ellen White's books, he made the shocking discovery that SDA truth is different from Biblical truth. He found that some SDA teachings are not based upon Scripture at all but upon tradition, conjecture of the early pioneers, and statements made by the prophetess Ellen White. - http://www.nonsda.org

Seventh-day Adventists teach the following about the Ellen White - http://www.nonsda.org/study10.shtml

I believe that the SDA is doing a disservice in promoting Ellen White. I do understand why the Sabbath is stressed because that is the core principal of their faith but don't believe it to be spiritually edifying to continue to promote their end-time opinion about Sunday worship and the mark of the beast.

I don't agree with their teaching on dietary practices either but do agree that the body is the temple of the Lord and would be prudent to make the proper nutritional food choices.

All of the SDA members that I have interacted with do believe in the shed blood of Jesus atoning for the confessed sins of the believer and that the Holy Spirit guides the individual in the life-long sanctification process. Most of them believe in the Trinity, that there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, that they are three unique spiritual individuals that comprise one God.

I don't believe at all that the SDA is the remnant church but that the remnant, as mentioned in the OT prophetic books and the book of Revelation is referring to the 12 tribes of Israel.

I don't disagree at all with anything at all that you have said, but like I have stated, the Holy Spirit gives discernment for those that ask for wisdom in separating the wheat from the chaff and the good from the bad.

I will also state for the record that I certainly believe that you have this gift of discernment that was honed from a lifetime of gradual spiritual growth and development. You are truly a humble servant of the Lord and are doing your best to promote spiritual truth. For this I sincerely appreciate.

Continue to keep fighting the good fight and keeping your eyes on the prize. By the grace of God I will try to do the same.

 

[Hevosmies]

I believe that the SDA is doing a disservice in promoting Ellen White. I do understand why the Sabbath is stressed because that is the core principal of their faith but don't believe it to be spiritually edifying to continue to promote their end-time opinion about Sunday worship and the mark of the beast.

I don't agree with their teaching on dietary practices either but do agree that the body is the temple of the Lord and would be prudent to make the proper nutritional food choices.

All of the SDA members that I have interacted with do believe in the shed blood of Jesus atoning for the confessed sins of the believer and that the Holy Spirit guides the individual in the life-long sanctification process. Most of them believe in the Trinity, that there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, that they are three unique spiritual individuals that comprise one God.

I don't believe at all that the SDA is the remnant church but that the remnant, as mentioned in the OT prophetic books and the book of Revelation is referring to the 12 tribes of Israel.

I don't disagree at all with anything at all that you have said, but like I have stated, the Holy Spirit gives discernment for those that ask for wisdom in separating the wheat from the chaff and the good from the bad.

I will also state for the record that I certainly believe that you have this gift of discernment that was honed from a lifetime of gradual growth and development. You are truly a humble servant of the Lord and are doing your best to promote spiritual truth. For this I sincerely appreciate.

Continue to keep fighting the good fight and keeping your eyes on the prize. By the grace of God I will try to do the same.

Have you considered running for political office?

 

[tourist]

There is a difference between disagreeing on something like eschatology and disgreeing on the GOSPEL.

Big difference. One doens't really matter, the second DOES matter.

I can state my "affiliation". I am reformed but i hang around pentecostals all day, go figure!

Does your congregation still play with snakes during the service?

Just kidding.

 

[tourist]

Have you considered running for political office?

I am sure that there are those more qualified than I am.

 

[Hevosmies]

Does your congregation still play with snakes during the service?

They dont, yet. If it goes to that IM OUT!

We have a couple of guys who are prime candidates for that kinda stuff though.

 

[garee]

Is there anybody who would like to ask a question about SDAs or who would just like to ask any Bible question. I am a SDA and so I will try to give everybody a Bible based answer

(1)Does the scripture speak of two kinds of sabbaths .One as a ceremonial law or shadow and the other the unseen working substance that works in us?

(2)Is the word Sabbath in itself a time sensitive word?

 

[tourist]

The only catholics are catholics who believe in all the official teachings of the catholic church without resistence...

If you do not believe in all the official teaching of the catholic church then you are not a true catholic...

If you are not able to affirm the teachings of the church you belong to then your conscience before God should move you to leave that church.. Staying in a church and attending it's services each week makes a public statement to the larger community that you believe and support the teachings of that church.. If one is declaring that things like correct day sabbath keeping and purgatory are truth, while in truth you do not actually believe them to be true. Then one is bearing false witness to Gods Gospel..

As for your comments on purgatory.. As a former catholic myself we where greatly encouraged to pray for our loved ones who had died so that their time in purgatory would be lessened.. If purgatory was a place of comfort without discomfort then we would never have been told to pray that our loved ones would be released from purgatory ASAP..

We are reconciled to God the moment we believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured to save us..

Yeah, I remember attending weekly Catechism classes and those mean anal nuns striking my wrist with a ruler. I thought those instances were comical at the time and still do. I always enjoyed lighting candles in church because that was the one time that I was allowed to play with matches.

I had to finally leave the Catholic church because I found most of the core principals to be contrary to scripture. My mother, who is a deeply spiritual woman who loves Jesus and is a born-again believer, still attends weekly mass. She don't agree with everything the church professes either. Growing up I have argued many times with her about the church but that only hurt her deeply and only served to erode her true faith in trusting on the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for her sins. I don't question my mother's faith anymore, especially since her faith in spiritual matters of the Lord is much stronger than mine despite her remaining a life-long Catholic.

 

[tourist]

Please provide documentation for the above as it goes completely against her claiming to be a prophet.

You take comfort in purgatory, a doctrine that denies the full salvation provided for in Christ? When are you going to become a purely biblical believer?

I take comfort in the concept of purgatory because it implies that there is still a chance that one will eventually go to heaven even though they were not born-again in their lifetime. I am a born again believer and don't really believe that such a place exists but if it did I would be comforted to know that those that I love that were not yet saved will one day be reunited with me in heaven.

 

[lightbearer]

So the sin of lieing is not covered by the Atoning blood of the LORD Jesus Christ ???

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
(1Jn 1:9 KJV)

 

[Hevosmies]

I had to finally leave the Catholic church because I found most of the core principals to be contrary to scripture. My mother, who is a deeply spiritual woman who loves Jesus and is a born-again believer, still attends weekly mass. She don't agree with everything the church professes either. Growing up I have argued many times with her about the church but that only hurt her deeply and only served to erode her true faith in trusting on the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for her sins. I don't question my mother's faith anymore, especially since her faith in spiritual matters of the Lord is much stronger than mine despite her remaining a life-long Catholic.

How is this possible?

Your mother trusts on "the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for her sins". and you dont question the faith, and she is a much stronger person in the Lord, YET attend a MASS weekly, where Jesus is re-sacrificed?

And thats just one thing, lets throw in the praying to Mary and saints. Oy vey!

Im strong in the Lord I attend the church of scientology. YOu see what im saying?

 

[lightbearer]

Seriously?

This is some fake unity right here. Stop it at once.

You do realize this open friendly and knowledgable group of individuals is teaching that if you continue the way you are, going to church on sunday that you will in the future receive the mark of the beast and be damned to helL? i.e you are not even saved according to them if you dont keep the sabbath.
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That is not what they teach

 

[Hevosmies]

That is not what they teach

It sure is buddy. I've read it with my own eyes.

Much like all cults, they rely on deception to lure people in.

Just like the JWs will not tell you to your face they believe Jesus to also be Abaddon in the book of Revelation.

 

[lightbearer]

It sure is buddy. I've read it with my own eyes.

Much like all cults, they rely on deception to lure people in.

Just like the JWs will not tell you to your face they believe Jesus to also be Abaddon in the book of Revelation.

They do not teach you have to keep the Sabbath to be saved. They teach that people who are saved keep the Commandments of GOD and have the Testimony; Faith of Jesus Christ.

 

[tourist]

How is this possible?

Your mother trusts on "the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for her sins". and you dont question the faith, and she is a much stronger person in the Lord, YET attend a MASS weekly, where Jesus is re-sacrificed?

And thats just one thing, lets throw in the praying to Mary and saints. Oy vey!

Im strong in the Lord I attend the church of scientology. YOu see what im saying?

Reminds me of a story I once read about Mark Twain. He would constantly belittle the faith that his wife had in the truths found in the bible. There came a time when she was dying and he told her to hang on to her faith so that she could recover from her illness. She said "I can't hang on to my faith because I don't have any left because you destroyed it."

No, I am not about to hurt my mother any further just because she attends weekly mass. If there is anything left that was not covered by her sincere contrite confession of sin, relying on the shed blood of Jesus dying for her sin, and allowing the Holy Spirit to comfort and guide her in her life-long spiritual journey then God can charge that my account.

Even though we may be saved we still remain flawed individuals. My mother just happens to be less flawed than I am.

 

[Hevosmies]

They do not teach you have to keep the Sabbath to be saved. They teach that people who are saved keep the Commandments of GOD and have the Testimony; Faith of Jesus Christ.

Which means you got to keep the sabbath to be saved. LOL

Didnt you read what you typed? "They teach that people who are saved keep the Commandments of GOD...." and according to the SDAs the Sabbath is a binding commandment on Christians today. Therefore if you dont keep it, YOU ARE NOT SAVED. If you dont see this, Oh well I tried.

Its simple. Its true. Dont be deceived by their swelling words of emptiness.