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[2ndTimothyGroup]

That notwithstanding, I prefer the Word of God for verification of events. And here I am looking for scriptural evidence that backs up the claim that Jesus spent three days and three nights in Shoel/Hades prior to the resurrection. If you can provide that for me, I would be grateful.

As I said, those references are in this thread. I'm not an expert on the subject.

 

[shittim]

I believe John writes that "he supposes all Jesus did would fill all the volumes of the world", paraphrasing a smidgen, so we know He is doing more than we can read about in the Gospels.
best wishes

 

[John146]

Yeah, you got it; however our incorruptible, immortal bodies will never be made out of flesh and blood bodies like we have now. At the Second Coming, our bodies will be changed! No more flesh!

There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

- 1 Corinthians 15:40-46 (NKJV)

I disagree. Scripture states we will have bodies like the Lord Jesus in His resurrection. His body was flesh and bones but no blood. Blood is what’s corrupt. His body could go through doors. He could eat food. His body could be touched.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I disagree. Scripture states we will have bodies like the Lord Jesus in His resurrection. His body was flesh and bones but no blood. Blood is what’s corrupt. His body could go through doors. He could eat food. His body could be touched.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Hmmm . . . the Bible is written around the idea of a corrupt heart, not blood. Jesus isn't after our blood, but after our Hearts. It is the Heart that is Transformed, not the blood. We are given new Spirits, not new blood.

That said, I've been wrong before.

 

[John146]

Hmmm . . . the Bible is written around the idea of a corrupt heart, not blood. Jesus isn't after our blood, but after our Hearts. It is the Heart that is Transformed, not the blood. We are given new Spirits, not new blood.

That said, I've been wrong before.

Blood is a picture of sin, thus Christ shed His blood as a picture of getting rid of sin. See also the OT sacrifices.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Blood is a picture of sin, thus Christ shed His blood as a picture of getting rid of sin. See also the OT sacrifices.

Well how about that. I thought that Blood was a reference to life.

Genesis 9:4 NKJV - "But you shall not eat flesh with its life, [that is], its blood."

But there first verse that I looked at in my search produced the above, and it certainly seems to fit that that perhaps because Blood is a reference to sin, that we ought not to consume it. Does that seem fair and perhaps in alignment with your thinking?

Veddy, veddy interesting.

 

[John146]

Well how about that. I thought that Blood was a reference to life.

Genesis 9:4 NKJV - "But you shall not eat flesh with its life, [that is], its blood."

But there first verse that I looked at in my search produced the above, and it certainly seems to fit that that perhaps because Blood is a reference to sin, that we ought not to consume it. Does that seem fair and perhaps in alignment with your thinking?

Veddy, veddy interesting.

I do an entire study how Adam received his blood when he ate of the forbidden fruit (grape) and his body was corrupted by blood...grape juice a type of blood throughout scripture.

Yes, blood is now the life. No blood, no life. It’s what makes us mortal. That was not Adam’s state before the fall.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I do an entire study how Adam received his blood when he ate of the forbidden fruit (grape) and his body was corrupted by blood...grape juice a type of blood throughout scripture.

Yes, blood is now the life. No blood, no life. It’s what makes us mortal. That was not Adam’s state before the fall.

Interesting. To make sure, are you saying that before the fall of Adam that he had [no] blood?

I've read the entire Bible in a timeline, chronological order several times and these teachings didn't stand out to me at all. Did you receive these ideas from extra Biblical sources?

 

[John146]

Interesting. To make sure, are you saying that before the fall of Adam that he had [no] blood?

I've read the entire Bible in a timeline, chronological order several times and these teachings didn't stand out to me at all. Did you receive these ideas from extra Biblical sources?

Studying the Bible about forbidden fruit. The only named fruit forbidden is the grape, forbidden to those separated unto God through the Nazarene vow. Grape juice is a type of blood, and blood is forbidden in both testaments.

 

[shittim]

Joshua and Caleb brought back huge bundles of grapes from the Promised Land.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Studying the Bible about forbidden fruit. The only named fruit forbidden is the grape, forbidden to those separated unto God through the Nazarene vow. Grape juice is a type of blood, and blood is forbidden in both testaments.

Amazing. This is news to me.

Did you come to this conclusion on your own, or did you read commentary?

 

[shittim]

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Grapes are the fruit of the Vine.

Leviticus 19:10 NKJV - 'And you shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather [every] grape of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the poor and the stranger: I am the LORD your God."

Grapes were to be given to the poor and the oppressed, those who God loves . . . yet they're forbidden? Grapes being forbidden is pretty difficult to understand.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

And these grapes were not brought back to show the sinful state of the land, but that it Truly was the land of Milk and Honey.

 

[shittim]

Yes, I doubt they were forbidden, Jesus turned water into a forbidden substance?
best wishes

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Yes, I doubt they were forbidden, Jesus turned water into a forbidden substance?
best wishes

Exactly. That teaching goes against the grain. What's next? Olives are bad, too?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I think it's also important to know that Joshua and Caleb had "different Spirits" within them, that they were wholehearted, thus were the only two originals from Egypt that were allowed to cross the Jordan and enter the Promised Holy Land. They returned with a forbidden grape? And then at the Lord's Supper, Christ used a forbidden substance to say that when you drink of this cup, you have drunk my blood. If grapes were forbidden, to drink of wine as a symbol of Christ seems extremely twisted.

It's going to take some compelling evidence to overturn my thinking.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

One possible argument regarding the grape is that is crushed and converted into something else through fermentation (Transformation). Another thought is that wine was forbidden for the Nazarene, for they were "set apart." That said, Jesus was the ultimate Nazarene yet drank wine.

 

[shittim]

Would like to know more about what the poster meant about grapes.
I am pretty sure any grape juice would have fermented in their time.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Would like to know more about what the poster meant about grapes.

That seems very, very wise. If I take anything away from this idea, it helps open my eyes to Scripture as I continue to read.