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I guess I have missed where scripture says which day is "Lamb selection Day". Could it not have been the 12th of Abib.
(Nissan is from the Babylonian calendar) Abib is the first month of the Hebrew calendar.

I have to go for a few hours but I would love to be enlightened about this if I am wrong. Thanks.
Exodus 12:3, Abib/Nissan 10.
 

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God created during the daylight hours, then there was evening (night time), then there was "Dawn". That was a "DAY".
He said 'let there be light' and there was light.
(Genesis 1:3)

how can you possibly think He created the first light during daylight?
bro that is a contradiction.


"darkness" Genesis 1:2 then "light" Genesis 1:3.
2 happens to come before 3.
darkness comes before light, and evening before morning.


  • the evening and the morning were the first day
    • Genesis 1:5
  • the evening and the morning were the second day
    • Genesis 1:8
  • the evening and the morning were the third day
    • Genesis 1:13
  • the evening and the morning were the fourth day
    • Genesis 1:19
  • the evening and the morning were the fifth day
    • Genesis 1:23
  • the evening and the morning were the sixth day
    • Genesis 1:31
how many times does He have to tell us?
i'm sorry but your rejection of the Biblical way of accounting days has no tenable basis.
the rabbis have this correct. this is why Jesus was taken down from the cross and entomb Him before sundown - the Greek word 'evening' ((opsios, Strong's 3798)) can mean either any time between 3-6pm Roman time or from 6pm until sundown, as differentiated from their word 'night' ((nux, Strong's 3571)) which means after sundown.



Note: Joseph of Arimathea (as did most Jews of the time) practiced the Pharisee calendar. That's why he could get the body.
Joseph & Nicodemus both specifically pled for His body that evening ((read: not 'night' but 'evening')) because the next day was sabbath ((Mark 15:42)) -- if the day begins at dawn, they had no reason to do this in haste. they had all night.
Nicodemus is the teacher of Israel ((John 3:10)) and already had the tomb and spices prepared. he was no idiot.
 

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the evening and the morning were the first day
(Genesis 1:5)
beginning with evening is exactly the Biblical way of counting days.
not with sunrise, and definitely not with '
midnight'
was not the world first in darkness, until The Light came to us?


He rose on Firstfruits, which is always the day after sabbath ((Leviticus 23:11, 1 Corinthians 15:20-23))
Exodus 16
21 Each morning everyone gathered as much as they needed, and when the sun grew hot, it melted away. 22 On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much—two omers[b] for each person—and the leaders of the community came and reported this to Moses. 23 He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’”

24 So they saved it until morning, as Moses commanded, and it did not stink or get maggots in it. 25 “Eat it today,” Moses said, “because today is a sabbath to the Lord. You will not find any of it on the ground today. 26 Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any.”

The day OBVIOUSLY begins in the morning.
 

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He said 'let there be light' and there was light.
(Genesis 1:3)

how can you possibly think He created the first light during daylight?
bro that is a contradiction.


"darkness" Genesis 1:2 then "light" Genesis 1:3.
2 happens to come before 3.
darkness comes before light, and evening before morning.


  • the evening and the morning were the first day
    • Genesis 1:5
  • the evening and the morning were the second day
    • Genesis 1:8
  • the evening and the morning were the third day
    • Genesis 1:13
  • the evening and the morning were the fourth day
    • Genesis 1:19
  • the evening and the morning were the fifth day
    • Genesis 1:23
  • the evening and the morning were the sixth day
    • Genesis 1:31
how many times does He have to tell us?
i'm sorry but your rejection of the Biblical way of accounting days has no tenable basis.
the rabbis have this correct. this is why Jesus was taken down from the cross and entomb Him before sundown - the Greek word 'evening' ((opsios, Strong's 3798)) can mean either any time between 3-6pm Roman time or from 6pm until sundown, as differentiated from their word 'night' ((nux, Strong's 3571)) which means after sundown.





Joseph & Nicodemus both specifically pled for His body that evening ((read: not 'night' but 'evening')) because the next day was sabbath ((Mark 15:42)) -- if the day begins at dawn, they had no reason to do this in haste. they had all night.
Nicodemus is the teacher of Israel ((John 3:10)) and already had the tomb and spices prepared. he was no idiot.
Exodus 18
13 The next day Moses took his seat to serve as judge for the people, and they stood around him from morning till evening.

John 20
1. Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.

19 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders

See? Evening comes AFTER morning on the SAME DAY.
 

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Joseph & Nicodemus both specifically pled for His body that evening ((read: not 'night' but 'evening')) because the next day was sabbath ((Mark 15:42)) -- if the day begins at dawn, they had no reason to do this in haste. they had all night.
Nicodemus is the teacher of Israel ((John 3:10)) and already had the tomb and spices prepared. he was no idiot.
But they DID act in haste because the PHARISEE calendar started the Sabbath at sundown. This is not Biblical.
Days begin at sunrise.

Gen 1 says "the evening and the MORNING" not 10am, not afternoon. The word for morning literally means "DAWN".
On each day there was God's creative activity, then evening, then DAWN. Then a new day starts.
 

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Leviticus 23:27-32 27"The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present a food offering to the LORD. 28Do not do any work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the LORD your God. 29Those who do not deny themselves on that day must be cut off from their people. 30I will destroy from among their people anyone who does any work on that day. 31You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. 32It is a day of sabbath rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath."

See? The observance of the Day of Atonement begins on the EVENING of the 9th, goes through the DAY of the 10th, and ends at the beginning of the evening of the 10th.
God specifically says from the evening of the 9th to the evening of the 10th. If a day began in the evening then it would either encompass only the 9th OR only the 10th. It does not. Thus, Days begin in the morning.

The Pharisees were wrong then and they are wrong now. The Rabbinical Jews are the very same Pharisees of Jesus' days.
They still use the Babylonian Lunar calendar. They even use the Babylonian first month of Nisan.
 
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Neither do I, but there needed an eyewitness to record it. There was no surveillance cameras in those days.
Another interesting thing to consider...Since the Jews rejected Christ as the Messiah, they are still waiting for him. Who do you think they will choose?
 

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- You've heard about the "Rock and Roll" in all kinds of sermons and worship songs, but Jesus didn't do it by His own power even if he could, the rock didn't automatically roll away either, it was an angel who descended from heaven and rolled away the stone (Matt. 28:2)! Some speculated that it was Gabriel.

- Jesus didn't rise secretly in the dead of the night and penetrate through the stone as some believe.

He left before the stone was moved so he did leave the tomb another way.

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Mat 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

The women saw that the stone was rolled away but did not see Christ because as verse 7 says, he had already left to Galilee before they arrived at the tomb.
 
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Another interesting thing to consider...Since the Jews rejected Christ as the Messiah, they are still waiting for him. Who do you think they will choose?
Most likely the Antichrist, could be a Jewish world leader who helps to build the third temple and purge all the Palestinian terrorists, only to declare himself as the messiah at 3.5 years mark. That has always been the dispensationalist doctrine.
 
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He left before the stone was moved so he did leave the tomb another way.

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Mat 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.

The women saw that the stone was rolled away but did not see Christ because as verse 7 says, he had already left to Galilee before they arrived at the tomb.
I’d say he was immediately vaporized and descended to Hades to release the OT saints free, but the thing is, that was not resurrection. He first appeared to Mary in Mark 16:9, that was his resurrection. And no, he didn’t leave to Galilee, before that he had his first encounter with Mary in John 20.
 

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I’d say he was immediately vaporized and descended to Hades to release the OT saints free
The saints were in Abraham's bosom not Hades. No saint has ever been to hades.

And no, he didn’t leave to Galilee
You are on a roll with these incorrect statements:

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Mat 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
Mat 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
Mat 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
Mat 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
Mat 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Mat 28:7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
 
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The saints were in Abraham's bosom not Hades. No saint has ever been to hades.
Are you espousing the heresy that Jesus didn't really die? It is equally important that he must've been dead as he must've risen. Paul said a seed couldn't sprout unless it dies first. And Acts 2:27 says you will not leave My soul in Shoal, which is the same as Hades, and Rev. 1:18 says I have the key of Death and Hades.

You are on a roll with these incorrect statements:
Then tell me, when did he appear to Mary and ONLY to Mary? It wasn't recorded in Matthew, but it was recorded in Mark and John.
 

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Are you espousing the heresy that Jesus didn't really die?
No, I'm correcting your error that the OT were ever in Hades. Are you saying you don't like basketball? Your post makes as much sense as that question does.


Then tell me, when did he appear to Mary and ONLY to Mary? It wasn't recorded in Matthew, but it was recorded in Mark and John.
He went to Galilee first, so he met Mary after that.

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
Mar 16:3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?
Mar 16:4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
Mar 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
Mar 16:6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.


He wasn't there when Mary arrived.

Mar 16:7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.


He went to Galilee!

Mar 16:8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
Mar 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

This is clearly later, likely when Mary was going to Galilee to see Christ, Christ found her first. I don't know why she is alone. Perhaps split up to cover city faster to find him.
 

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the evening and the morning were the first day
(Genesis 1:5)
beginning with evening is exactly the Biblical way of counting days.
not with sunrise, and definitely not with '
midnight'
was not the world first in darkness, until The Light came to us?


He rose on Firstfruits, which is always the day after sabbath ((Leviticus 23:11, 1 Corinthians 15:20-23))
Do people love to be confused? Of course the Hebre days begin at sunset, and according to tradition at the sighting of the first nocturnal star.

Here we have bpeople calling the cycle of a night and day the morning because they have lost the concept of the time of each day, approximately 24 hours.

These people cannot fathom daytime being separate from the full day. These are the same folks who could not accept that the present millennium began at the stroke of midnight , 1999.Marking the beginning. When this type of thining began in multitudes, I knw we were in big trouble. It is the same as thouse who believe on the first birthday a child is one for a year while the truth is, thechild dhas completed his first year and is beginning or in his second year. Ask the Japanese; they know this well.
 
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No, I'm correcting your error that the OT were ever in Hades. Are you saying you don't like basketball? Your post makes as much sense as that question does.
You're denying what is clearly stated in Acts 2:27 and Rev. 1:18.

This is clearly later, likely when Mary was going to Galilee to see Christ, Christ found her first. I don't know why she is alone. Perhaps split up to cover city faster to find him.
Oh great, so all of a sudden the tomb moved to Galilee? When Mary was weeping, she was in front of the empty tomb, not anywhere else.
 

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You're denying what is clearly stated in Acts 2:27 and Rev. 1:18.
No.




Oh great, so all of a sudden the tomb moved to Galilee? When Mary was weeping, she was in front of the empty tomb, not anywhere else.

Your reading comprehension must be poor. That's clearly why you are all over place on these completely out of context questions. Galilee is where Christ went when he resurrected, it's not where his tomb was. Sheesh!
 
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Whether the OT saints were in Hades or not, that's another topic for another day. Either way, Jesus went to Hades until the third day.

Your reading comprehension must be poor. That's clearly why you are all over place on these completely out of context questions. Galilee is where Christ went when he resurrected, it's not where his tomb was. Sheesh!
And yours is any superior? I've never said he never went to Galille. He FIRST appeared to Mary, and that was right out of the tomb - right there in John 20:11. That's a simple and obvious conclusion if you put Mark 16:9 in the context of John 20:11-18.
 

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Whether the OT saints were in Hades or not, that's another topic for another day.
It's what I brought up after you made the claim the OT saints were in Hades.


Either way, Jesus went to Hades until the third day.
That is true but it isn't something being discussed because no one disagrees.



I've never said he never went to Galille. He FIRST appeared to Mary, and that was right out of the tomb - right there in John 20:11.
The text says he went to Galilee before Mary even arrived at tomb. The angel told her she would find him there. Mary was the first to see Christ, but it was at Galilee not anywhere else.
 
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It's what I brought up after you made the claim the OT saints were in Hades.
Then where exactly is Abraham's bosom? Who were captives to whom liberty was proclaimed in Isaiah 61:1-2, which Jesus read in Luke 4:18-19?

The text says he went to Galilee before Mary even arrived at tomb. The angel told her she would find him there. Mary was the first to see Christ, but it was at Galilee not anywhere else.
The text says Mary was right out of the tomb. Again, was the tomb in Galilee or Jerusalem?
 

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Then where exactly is Abraham's bosom?
It was a different place with a great gulf between it and Hades.



Who were captives to whom liberty was proclaimed in Isaiah 61:1-2, which Jesus read in Luke 4:18-19?
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Since it was fulfilled that day it was people listening to him.




The text says Mary was right out of the tomb.
It doesn't say that.

Again, was the tomb in Galilee or Jerusalem?
I won't answer stupid questions and won't even acknowledge them in the future.