Should a Christian tithe, what does the Bible say

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Jewel5712

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Tithing was never an income or estate tax. It was the increase of the land - flocks and fields. That's all it was. It was required of the descendents of Jacob who inherited the land because Jacob vowed a vow to GOD to give to him the tenth of the land that GOD had just promised to give to him. Jacob didn't tithe because he didn't inherit the land.

And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; Genesis 28:13
And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. Genesis 28:20-22
Yes..i believe it was to set a stadard and make a priority by giving of giving God what God has given us.. first of everything..coin..possessions..time etc...its ALL Gods to begin with.
 

Danny1988

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I do accept God's word as it stands , and it says " For God so loved the WORLD"
I understand the difference between the believers works vs the unbelievers works

You seem very arrogant , and angry , maybe you could show a bit of Christian love here
Affirming an unbelievers good works and telling them they are doing just fine is not loving them. Sharing the Gospel is true love, yes they don't like it but children don't like bitter medicine either.

My wife is a Roman Catholic, she is a really "good" person loved by everyone who knows her. I don't make her feel good about her goodness, I tell her the truth about her condition and her standing before the Lord.
She doesn't like it, she thinks I'm being mean but I'm not going to make her feel comfortable and affirm her in her fallen state while she's on the road to hell.
 

Danny1988

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this is an argument that i should be giving money to something like Unicef and charities that dig wells for clean drinking water in impoverished lands, not to a local church.
You obviously worship in a false Church that doesn't preach the Word of God. The Bible warned us about these days where men would give heed to doctrines of Demons.

You obviously don't even know what a Church is supposed to do, you have been deceived. Your view of "Church" is Unicef. Now that's a money grabbing business with a greedy CEO.

If you knew what a Christian Church is you would know what a Christian Church does and you wouldn't be making these wicked and false allegations against the Church which Jesus Himself established.
 

posthuman

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I agree this isn't about tithing, it's about a self proclaimed Christian refusing to keep God's Commandments.
Peter wasn't struck dead when he lied. 3 times in a row.

Peter said they '
conspired' - this isn't just lying, and it's not just willfully disobeying. this is premeditated: a conspiracy, a plan with a purpose and a trap.
 

shrume

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Affirming an unbelievers good works and telling them they are doing just fine is not loving them. Sharing the Gospel is true love, yes they don't like it but children don't like bitter medicine either.

My wife is a Roman Catholic, she is a really "good" person loved by everyone who knows her. I don't make her feel good about her goodness, I tell her the truth about her condition and her standing before the Lord.
She doesn't like it, she thinks I'm being mean but I'm not going to make her feel comfortable and affirm her in her fallen state while she's on the road to hell.
Danny, you need help.

Just because your wife is a Catholic does not mean she's not saved.
 

Danny1988

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To be fair that's totally consistent with the position that only pastors are able to rightly discern scripture.
Danny not himself being a pastor, it would be hypocritical of him to read and quote scripture as though he understands it....

'course, that makes his advice that we should read the Bible ourselves kind of odd. does he assume we're pastors? why is he arguing then?

it's all very weird indeed!
You haven't been given the gift of understanding the scriptures, God only gives that gift to His chosen shepherds.

You're in the same boat as those blind self appointed experts who came up with 40,000 sects and cults, all claiming to be the only ones who have figured it out correctly. Can you see how pathetic you are, yeah I didn't think so. Your consumed with your carnal false confidence and pride.

My pastor told me that a person doesn't need to know a single verse of the Bible to be saved. The thief on the cross simply believed in Jesus and he was saved. God is not impressed with your pride and your IQ and intelligence, He's just a bit smarter than you. Sorry to burst your bubble
 

jaybird88

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I can't believe what I'm reading here, so many greedy "Christians" greed is a grievous sin.
If you don't give to God, you are cursed. God hates greed, we saw what happened to that greedy man and his wife who sold their house and held back some of the proceeds. God killed both of them and we have people here saying it's not important to give anything to God.
I can't believe how blind and deceived so called Christians have become in this wicked generation. What are they doing to say to Jesus when He tells them to go to hell, I never knew you.
There are so many lovers of money here, I never expected to see this from Christians. Especially after all the warnings about the love of money in the Bible, we are talking about the root of all kinds of evil and everyone is defending their god of mammon.
i never expected to see so many greedy churches that devote entire sermons to tithing.
 
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Go back and read Acts 4:32-5:11 to get the background about Ananias and Sapphire:


Acts 4:

32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,

37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.



In Acts 4:32 we see that all the believers shared all of their possessions amongst each other. And according to Acts 4:34 no one lacked.

Then we have believers selling their lands and possessions and bringing the money to the apostles. Again, distribution according to need. Then Joses (Barnabas) sold land and brought the money to the apostles.

However, when Ananias and Sapphira sold their possessions, they acted like they were doing as the believers in Acts 4 (giving the full amount of sales proceeds). But Ananias and Sapphira kept back part (Acts 5:2).

That was their downfall.


Acts 5:

1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.

8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.

9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.

10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.



Acts 5:4 makes it clear that they could have kept however much of the sales proceeds they wanted, as long as they didn’t act as if they were giving 100%.

tangled web ... folly of man
 

Danny1988

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Danny, you need help.

Just because your wife is a Catholic does not mean she's not saved.
You can't be saved until you trust in Jesus 100% for the forgiveness of your sins. If you only trust Him 99.9% and rely on your good works 0.01% your are damned and you will go to hell.

Being a good person is actually a curse, a good person doesn't feel the need to be forgiven because they haven't done anything bad
 

shrume

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You haven't been given the gift of understanding the scriptures, God only gives that gift to His chosen shepherds.
1 Tim 2:
4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Isa 1:
18) Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Eph 1:
18) The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Eph 5:
17) Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

John 5:
39) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
 

shrume

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You can't be saved until you trust in Jesus 100% for the forgiveness of your sins. If you only trust Him 99.9% and rely on your good works 0.01% your are damned and you will go to hell.
You need a new church.

Being a good person is actually a curse, a good person doesn't feel the need to be forgiven because they haven't done anything bad
SMH

G'nite, Danny
 

Danny1988

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i never expected to see so many greedy churches that devote entire sermons to tithing.
It's not just tithes, we learned about giving our tithes and offerings. Tithing is just a guideline as a minimum, we should give more than just 10%
 

posthuman

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You haven't been given the gift of understanding the scriptures, God only gives that gift to His chosen shepherds.
as you said, we should study the scriptures.

If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God,
who gives generously to all without finding fault,
and it will be given to you.

(James 1:5)
:)
 

Danny1988

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1 Tim 2:
4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Isa 1:
18) Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Eph 1:
18) The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Eph 5:
17) Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

John 5:
39) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Yep, all of the above simply call on a person to believe in Jesus. He does the rest, and we follow like the sheep we are
 

Danny1988

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as you said, we should study the scriptures.

If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God,
who gives generously to all without finding fault,
and it will be given to you.
(James 1:5)
:)
Of' course a believer will bury his head in the bible after he is converted. But that has nothing to do with salvation, we are already saved. We only study the Bible to learn about the attributes of God and how we can worship Him in the most effective way. So your knowledge has nothing to do with salvation, pure and simple, lets any and should BOAST!
 

shrume

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Yep, all of the above simply call on a person to believe in Jesus. He does the rest, and we follow like the sheep we are
My post was in response to this:
Danny said:
You haven't been given the gift of understanding the scriptures, God only gives that gift to His chosen shepherds.
God wants all of us to understand the scriptures.

And though I doubt you meant it this way, what you said is actually is close to being true....
call on a person to believe in Jesus
We are to witness to give people the chance to hear the gospel and give them a chance to believe in Jesus.
 

jaybird88

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It's not just tithes, we learned about giving our tithes and offerings. Tithing is just a guideline as a minimum, we should give more than just 10%
if a preacher is doing his job right he should never have to ask people for money. and when you start preaching the rewards of giving money to the church you have crossed over to the prosperity gospel or what i call the gospel of greed.
 

Dino246

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I believe the 10 percent that the bible talks about is a "standard" to try and abide by..but should always be given with a thankful greatfull heart..an offering goes over and above ones tithe...ive experience that when ive given God whats rightfully His to begin with..irecieve blessings over and above...wish i could say ive always been faithful..hard when you have to take money out of rent or basic bills in order to tithe...
Welcome to CC :)

Respectfully, tithing (giving ten percent of one's income) is required of Israelites under the Law, but not required of Christians. The Bible doesn't teach anything about tithing on one's monetary income. Rather, Christians are to give generously, regularly, as their hearts lead, for the poor and supporting the ministry, and occasionally, sacrificially.
 

posthuman

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Of' course a believer will bury his head in the bible after he is converted. But that has nothing to do with salvation, we are already saved. We only study the Bible to learn about the attributes of God and how we can worship Him in the most effective way. So your knowledge has nothing to do with salvation, pure and simple, lets any and should BOAST!
eh, that's entirely not the subject.

you said a couple times now that only the special chosen anointed pastors can actually rightly discern the scriptures and that God only grants understanding to them.
((what's the point of teaching?))


that's what we've been talking about.
whether salvation is by works or not is not up for debate.
((answer is no - a shepherd told me so!))