SHOULD CELIBACY BE ENFORCED TO CHRISTIAN PREACHERS?

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Paul recommended for people to be single so all their time/effort/energy/etc is focused solely on ministry. it wasn't a requirement.
IF they have that gift, like he says he does, otherwise they should marry. And to lived married as if not married, in pure devotion to the Lord.
 

Lillywolf

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Maybe so, but it's what the Bible actually says.
No, that's actually not what the bible says. Discrimination, division, within the church, thinking to proclaim women are not fit to lead men because of the female gender being present in that woman, is sexual bias. And that is a sin.
Jesus never demonstrated it when having women in his company. Paul never demonstrated it when having female leaders in his churches and serving the offices he appointed them. In fact Paul renounced it utterly in Galatians 3.

And to preempt what is likely in following this kind of discourse, no, I will not provide those scriptural proofs. When someone argues the bible favors sexual bigotry within the church, they not only demonstrate they have not read the bible. But that they are opposed to acknowledging what it actually says.
How pathetic it is to imagine a woman cannot lead. What a blessed example that in the contemporary age there are Christian women who prove that sinful mindset corrupt.

And lastly, this thread is not about women in ministry or leadership. So I shall not continue to be tempted to disrespect the actual topic by following the derail any further.
 

Locutus

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I should be remembered that the advice given by Paul for people to remain single was in view of the persecution believers were suffering (present distress) from the Jews and instigation of others to persecute and also the impending catastrophe in the Roman Empire with the war of 66 - 70 AD.

1 Cor 7:26 I think then that this is good in view of the present distress, that it is good for a man to remain as he is.

1 Cor 7:29 What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short.

Paul is speaking to a specific and then present situation.
 

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What are the good reasons that a single Christian preacher who married can still continue preaching despite what Paul said here:

1 Cor 7:32 But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord.

7:33 But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife.

Please don't skip answer this very important question and this is also very important to me. Please provide Bible verses while explaining to be more convincing ASAP.

I have no objection about Peter or a Christian bishop are married but like I said my Church allows married men to be priests but not single priests who married later.
 

Lillywolf

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What are the good reasons that a single Christian preacher who married can still continue preaching despite what Paul said here:

1 Cor 7:32 But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord.

7:33 But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife.

Please don't skip answer this very important question and this is also very important to me. Please provide Bible verses while explaining to be more convincing ASAP.

I have no objection about Peter or a Christian bishop are married but like I said my Church allows married men to be priests but not single priests who married later.
Would you say there is a difference in Paul's epistles as pertains to his writing epistles to the churches as compared to the inspired teachings our Lord gave him so as to continue Christ's earthly ministry?
 

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does this mean a bishop shouldn't have more than one wife or that a bishop should not be unmarried?

seems to me both interpretations would fit the text. Paul says elsewhere the unmarried are free to concentrate on the things of God because they aren't obligated to devote time to caring for their spouse, which makes a marriage requirement odd, but makes sense if what he means here is that having multiple wives a bishop would have even less ability to focus, proportionately, on church matters.
But he also recognized the sex drive is very strong and the temptation would cripple many in their work!
 

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What are the good reasons that a single Christian preacher who married can still continue preaching despite what Paul said here:

1 Cor 7:32 But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord.

7:33 But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife.

Please don't skip answer this very important question and this is also very important to me. Please provide Bible verses while explaining to be more convincing ASAP.

I have no objection about Peter or a Christian bishop are married but like I said my Church allows married men to be priests but not single priests who married later.
There is no mention of preachers, pastors, or priests in 1 Corinthians chapter 7. Those roles are simply not singled out there. The admonishments in this chapter are for all Christians.
 
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Is it Biblical to enforce celibacy to Christian preachers and those who married will not be preachers anymore? - pastors, ministers, priests what ever you call -

Because Paul said this:

1 Cor 11:1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ. (NKJV)

If Paul preached as a single like Christ, Christian preachers must do the same.

This is the reason why it is better to be single forever as Christian preacher.

1 Cor 7:32 But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord.
That is up to the individual whether they want to marry or not, and Paul did not get married for he was sent to the Gentiles which took up time, and was dangerous at times, and wanted to dedicate himself solely to the Lord for a more effective job at preaching, and reaching the lost, and staying right before God.

1Co 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
1Co 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
1Co 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
1Co 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

Paul did not say this by the commandment of God, but had permission to speak his position on the matter that it is better to not marry for a better spiritual walk with God, and to the unmarried to be as him, but Paul also said it is better to marry than to be unmarried if they have trouble in the flesh concerning fornication, or lusting for it.

And Paul was speaking to the saints in general, and not only to the preachers.

1Co 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
1Co 7:26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.
1Co 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
1Co 7:30 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;
1Co 7:31 And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
1Co 7:32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord.

Again Paul is not speaking from the commandment of the Lord, but his judgment.

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Paul is speaking to the saints in general, and not only to preachers, and he is not stating this concerning marriage, but to live a life like him, and follow his example as he follows Christ, a Christlike lifestyle.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God said in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, and forbid to marry, and command to abstain from meats, which God said is wrong, which this applies to the new age movement which will be in the latter times, the last days of the last days, which is now and the new age movement not that old, even though it is of the occult that is from way back, but it got more arrogant, and self exalting, than in time past, for they do not acknowledge a personal God as in time past, but honor the God of forces, the power of nature, and evolution through the power of nature to be greater, and spiritual in the future.

But it can also apply to the Catholic Church that it is wrong for the Pope to forbid the priests to marry, and to abstain from meats on Friday.

No one has the right to command them to abstain from those things for God said it is good.

Mat 8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

1Co 9:4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
1Co 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

Some of the disciples were married.

Luk 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

Zecharias was a Leviticus priest and was married.

God said that it is wrong to forbid to marry for those in positions of leadership that would forbid people to marry, such as the new age movement leadership that will forbid to marry which the new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and the Pope that forbids to marry for the priests.

The priest's job is not one of great demand on them so marriage would not be in the way for them to do their job effectively.

But Paul had a great demand placed on him, and he suffered many things for the Lord, and dangerous at times when dealing with the Gentiles, so he thought it best to not be married.

But Paul did not think it was wrong for him to be married, but that it would hinder him doing a great work for the Lord, and keeping himself dedicated to God, but God might of wanted Paul not to be married, but that would not extend to all preachers.

But then Paul said he spoke not by the commandment of God, but his judgment, so he probably could of got married if he wanted, but he did not want it to take up his time, and put a burden and worry on a wife.

Even Moses that had a great demand on him was married.
 

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The name Lucifer comes from the KJV Bible.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

Isaiah 14 KJV
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
 

posthuman

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The name Lucifer comes from the KJV Bible.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

Isaiah 14 KJV
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
((from what i've read))
it comes from the Vulgate, where the Hebrew 'helel' was translated 'lucifer' in Latin.
the word is only found once in the scripture and its meaning is uncertain but known to have something to do with light, hence 'lucifer' = 'light bringer' --- possibly meant to be more of a description than a name?

the KJV translators saw no better way to translate than to simply copy the Latin word into the English.
 

jameen

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That is up to the individual whether they want to marry or not, and Paul did not get married for he was sent to the Gentiles which took up time, and was dangerous at times, and wanted to dedicate himself solely to the Lord for a more effective job at preaching, and reaching the lost, and staying right before God.

1Co 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
1Co 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
1Co 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
1Co 7:9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

Paul did not say this by the commandment of God, but had permission to speak his position on the matter that it is better to not marry for a better spiritual walk with God, and to the unmarried to be as him, but Paul also said it is better to marry than to be unmarried if they have trouble in the flesh concerning fornication, or lusting for it.

And Paul was speaking to the saints in general, and not only to the preachers.

1Co 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
1Co 7:26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.
1Co 7:29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
1Co 7:30 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;
1Co 7:31 And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.
1Co 7:32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord.

Again Paul is not speaking from the commandment of the Lord, but his judgment.

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Paul is speaking to the saints in general, and not only to preachers, and he is not stating this concerning marriage, but to live a life like him, and follow his example as he follows Christ, a Christlike lifestyle.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

God said in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, and forbid to marry, and command to abstain from meats, which God said is wrong, which this applies to the new age movement which will be in the latter times, the last days of the last days, which is now and the new age movement not that old, even though it is of the occult that is from way back, but it got more arrogant, and self exalting, than in time past, for they do not acknowledge a personal God as in time past, but honor the God of forces, the power of nature, and evolution through the power of nature to be greater, and spiritual in the future.

But it can also apply to the Catholic Church that it is wrong for the Pope to forbid the priests to marry, and to abstain from meats on Friday.

No one has the right to command them to abstain from those things for God said it is good.

Mat 8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

1Co 9:4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
1Co 9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

Some of the disciples were married.

Luk 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

Zecharias was a Leviticus priest and was married.

God said that it is wrong to forbid to marry for those in positions of leadership that would forbid people to marry, such as the new age movement leadership that will forbid to marry which the new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and the Pope that forbids to marry for the priests.

The priest's job is not one of great demand on them so marriage would not be in the way for them to do their job effectively.

But Paul had a great demand placed on him, and he suffered many things for the Lord, and dangerous at times when dealing with the Gentiles, so he thought it best to not be married.

But Paul did not think it was wrong for him to be married, but that it would hinder him doing a great work for the Lord, and keeping himself dedicated to God, but God might of wanted Paul not to be married, but that would not extend to all preachers.

But then Paul said he spoke not by the commandment of God, but his judgment, so he probably could of got married if he wanted, but he did not want it to take up his time, and put a burden and worry on a wife.

Even Moses that had a great demand on him was married.
Matt, let's put this into closure. just give me some Bible lectures with Bible verses educating me that It is okay for a Christian preacher who married later to continue preaching while Apostle Paul said these:

1 Cor 7:32 But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord.

7:33 But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife.

I hope you will not withhold my request thanks :)